And why not? I was, why weren't you?You can learn new things re-reading a section. In this case, I had previously read the whole claim situation, but I wasn't critically looking for "I think they could be faking, evidence for and against." Later I re-read where I was looking for this sort of evidence, and I found some new gems.
Not with intense scrutiny, but can you see how it looks like you were starting to beg for Zach's permission to suspect the masons, and then going crazy with a case on them when you could have done that on your own time by reading what they did in the first place? Maemuki and SB has had the least amount of posts of anyone in the game; it's not really digging for treasure when it comes to a case against them, and it's something you should have seen immediately or at least noted when I asked you about them.It's impossible to look at every facet of the game with intense scrutiny on one read.
If by "friendly back and forth with horrordude" you mean "a friendly back and forth with DH v1.0", then sure. Also, I almost never form strong opinions on a cold D1 start. That's just how I roll, dawg.DemonHybrid wrote:So...
UT, your Day 1 arguments comprised of a bunch of null reads, a somewhat friendly back and forth with horrordude and no vote. This worries me.
It's really easy to say "oh man, I totally wouldn't be on that mislynch now". Of course you wouldn't, you know know he's town now. At the time, I think we had decent reason to suspect shotty of being scum and I stand by that. We were wrong, of course, but that doesn't mean it was entirely faulty reasoning. As I said at the time, as scum it's really easy to earn townie brownies by standing off to the side and yelling that you think an impending mislynch is stupid. It's one of the reasons Reck is one of my scum reads and it makes your change of heart interesting.DemonHybrid wrote:Your Day 2 argument comprised of lynching shotty and going after him the same way DH 1.0 did, which in retrospect, was terrible and something that DH 1.0 shouldn't have done (note to self). After he was modkilled, you kinda left the scene for a while after making a case against Soc. This worries me.
Yes, I did. It doesn't take one person to lynch someone, though. However, we now have a confirmed townie. That was my purpose in voting for NS (as I stated in my vote post). The town didn't really have any direction and we had reached a point where we needed to do something about the claimed masons because they were acting kind of scummy. I'm not the only person who felt this way.DemonHybrid wrote:Day 3, you lynched the mason. Some questions asked, but towards the mason. This worries me.
I'm not sure how you got me not knowing that you replaced Al out of my post. At the time of the ISO, you hadn't replaced in. The ISO was on Al. So I said Al. I was just looking at his ISO posts and I wrote down the people he examined. Are you saying that because I said "DH" and "Al", that means I didn't know that you had replaced in? You know that's a pretty wide leap, right? On the plus side, there's an entire album about that part of your "worries" about me.DemonHybrid wrote:Day 4, a horrendous post that had no cohesion with this game, not recognizing that I replaced Alduskkel and saying you "suspected" Hito for something that didn't exist in the first place. This worries me.
Your interactions with horrordude were minimal. Also, it's cool that you don't form strong opinions, but you only voted Espeonage, and only during RVS (which you took off later). I mean...AT LEAST a vote would have been nice.If by "friendly back and forth with horrordude" you mean "a friendly back and forth with DH v1.0", then sure. Also, I almost never form strong opinions on a cold D1 start. That's just how I roll, dawg.
Actually, the way we went about it was horrible. Yes, it made sense at the time, but there's no arguing that DH 1.0 lead the lynch, followed by you. It would have been easy for anyone to follow through. It was a mistake that I (DH 1.0) made without a full understanding of the VI mentality.It's really easy to say "oh man, I totally wouldn't be on that mislynch now". Of course you wouldn't, you know know he's town now. At the time, I think we had decent reason to suspect shotty of being scum and I stand by that. We were wrong, of course, but that doesn't mean it was entirely faulty reasoning. As I said at the time, as scum it's really easy to earn townie brownies by standing off to the side and yelling that you think an impending mislynch is stupid. It's one of the reasons Reck is one of my scum reads and it makes your change of heart interesting.
That wasn't my point. The point is that you sort of went along with it without questioning anyone else about it. It's understandable if you've done nothing else that was as scummy, but this is in combination with everything that I wrote.Yes, I did. It doesn't take one person to lynch someone, though. However, we now have a confirmed townie. That was my purpose in voting for NS (as I stated in my vote post). The town didn't really have any direction and we had reached a point where we needed to do something about the claimed masons because they were acting kind of scummy. I'm not the only person who felt this way.
My point is that it seemed more like you following along than having an interest in confirming a town player. Also, this logic doesn't work unless you knew a protective role was going to be on Nikanor 100%, because otherwise, Nikanor wouldn't be around to be much of use to anyone, now would he?Is your point here that my interest in confirming a town player is...anti-town?
It just highlights the fact that you didn't read very carefully. Make of that what you will, I posted pretty heavily this day, moreso than anyone else.I'm not sure how you got me not knowing that you replaced Al out of my post. At the time of the ISO, you hadn't replaced in. The ISO was on Al. So I said Al. I was just looking at his ISO posts and I wrote down the people he examined. Are you saying that because I said "DH" and "Al", that means I didn't know that you had replaced in? You know that's a pretty wide leap, right? On the plus side, there's an entire album about that part of your "worries" about me.
So...is hito scum or is he not? And if you believe this, why is Zach not suspect?I have been saying for the past 3 game days that I find the Hito/Soc slot suspicious. This really should not be news to you. However, I've changed my mind. Reck and hito's presence on the DH v1.0 and the NS lynchwagons rules out them both being scum. Also, looking through the lynchcounts, I notice that you'll never find Al and Reck, or Al and Soc/hito on the same wagon. Hmm... considering that Al had been drifting through the game without providing much, I don't think we can make a hard judgement about DHv2.0's alignment yet.
Ok...First you say I had a "friendly back and forth" with horrordude, and now you say my interactions with him were minimal. Were you just hoping I wouldn't point that out?DemonHybrid wrote:Your interactions with horrordude were minimal. Also, it's cool that you don't form strong opinions, but you only voted Espeonage, and only during RVS (which you took off later). I mean...AT LEAST a vote would have been nice.If by "friendly back and forth with horrordude" you mean "a friendly back and forth with DH v1.0", then sure. Also, I almost never form strong opinions on a cold D1 start. That's just how I roll, dawg.
You're answering a question I didn't ask. Or responding to something I didn't say. Or something. At no point did I say I wasn't on the shottytrain with you. I said I stand by that wagon having decent reasoning (which you just said made sense at the time...). I think the point was that shotty seemed like VI and scum, not one or the other. I don't think that's an issue of "understand the VI mentality".DemonHybrid wrote:Actually, the way we went about it was horrible. Yes, it made sense at the time, but there's no arguing that DH 1.0 lead the lynch, followed by you. It would have been easy for anyone to follow through. It was a mistake that I (DH 1.0) made without a full understanding of the VI mentality.It's really easy to say "oh man, I totally wouldn't be on that mislynch now". Of course you wouldn't, you know know he's town now. At the time, I think we had decent reason to suspect shotty of being scum and I stand by that. We were wrong, of course, but that doesn't mean it was entirely faulty reasoning. As I said at the time, as scum it's really easy to earn townie brownies by standing off to the side and yelling that you think an impending mislynch is stupid. It's one of the reasons Reck is one of my scum reads and it makes your change of heart interesting.
DH 1.0 originally thought that those opposed to his lynch would be the scummier ones, but now the connections are starting to make things a bit more concrete with shotty's wagon.
What?DemonHybrid wrote:Also, I never talked about your suspicion on me.
...I agreed with the lynch. I thought the potential info was useful. Which is what I said when I added the vote. Pretty much everyone on the wagon was saying "hey, either this guy is scum or mason, and either way the info will be useful". Why would I question people who are saying the same thing that I am?DemonHybrid wrote:That wasn't my point. The point is that you sort of went along with it without questioning anyone else about it. It's understandable if you've done nothing else that was as scummy, but this is in combination with everything that I wrote.Yes, I did. It doesn't take one person to lynch someone, though. However, we now have a confirmed townie. That was my purpose in voting for NS (as I stated in my vote post). The town didn't really have any direction and we had reached a point where we needed to do something about the claimed masons because they were acting kind of scummy. I'm not the only person who felt this way.
Ok, so I said why I wanted the lynch to happen, but your point of view is...I was lying? Great. If you just assume that everything I say is a lie, then finding scum gets a WHOLE lot easier.DemonHybrid wrote:My point is that it seemed more like you following along than having an interest in confirming a town player. Also, this logic doesn't work unless you knew a protective role was going to be on Nikanor 100%, because otherwise, Nikanor wouldn't be around to be much of use to anyone, now would he?Is your point here that my interest in confirming a town player is...anti-town?
There is _absolutely_ nothing that I said today that you can read and get "I don't know that DH has replaced Aldusskel". There isn't. If you got that, you read it wrong. Game over. Insert coin.DemonHybrid wrote:It just highlights the fact that you didn't read very carefully. Make of that what you will, I posted pretty heavily this day, moreso than anyone else.I'm not sure how you got me not knowing that you replaced Al out of my post. At the time of the ISO, you hadn't replaced in. The ISO was on Al. So I said Al. I was just looking at his ISO posts and I wrote down the people he examined. Are you saying that because I said "DH" and "Al", that means I didn't know that you had replaced in? You know that's a pretty wide leap, right? On the plus side, there's an entire album about that part of your "worries" about me.
Did you really ask me if I think the person I'm voting for is scum?DemonHybrid wrote:So...is hito scum or is he not? And if you believe this, why is Zach not suspect?I have been saying for the past 3 game days that I find the Hito/Soc slot suspicious. This really should not be news to you. However, I've changed my mind. Reck and hito's presence on the DH v1.0 and the NS lynchwagons rules out them both being scum. Also, looking through the lynchcounts, I notice that you'll never find Al and Reck, or Al and Soc/hito on the same wagon. Hmm... considering that Al had been drifting through the game without providing much, I don't think we can make a hard judgement about DHv2.0's alignment yet.
You certainly didn't suspect him at all, therefore, I call it non-hostile, somewhat friendly. You guys had a brief one-post exchange. In this case, they're one in the same.Ok...First you say I had a "friendly back and forth" with horrordude, and now you say my interactions with him were minimal. Were you just hoping I wouldn't point that out?
It didn't have decent reasoning. I said it was horrible for DH 1.0 to do and is something I need to correct in the future. It was bad to lead that lynch and I see exactly where vollkan was coming from, especially now that he flipped town. It's even worse to FOLLOW on a wagon like that.You're answering a question I didn't ask. Or responding to something I didn't say. Or something. At no point did I say I wasn't on the shottytrain with you. I said I stand by that wagon having decent reasoning (which you just said made sense at the time...). I think the point was that shotty seemed like VI and scum, not one or the other. I don't think that's an issue of "understand the VI mentality".
I didn't see the need for you to bring up your thoughts about me and my scumminess, since I didn't mention that at all...What?
You don't think that "We should lynch the claimed masons" skeevy in the very least? I thought it was a dumb decision to make after reading back up with Skillville. Like I said, not asking questions about it and looking for as much info as possible isn't scummy on it's own, but it certainly didn't help with everything else on the table....I agreed with the lynch. I thought the potential info was useful. Which is what I said when I added the vote. Pretty much everyone on the wagon was saying "hey, either this guy is scum or mason, and either way the info will be useful". Why would I question people who are saying the same thing that I am?
Did you just dodge the fact that I pointed out that you'd have to have known there was a protective role in order for your logic to work, which you have never pointed out in the first place?Ok, so I said why I wanted the lynch to happen, but your point of view is...I was lying? Great. If you just assume that everything I say is a lie, then finding scum gets a WHOLE lot easier.
This didn't make much sense to me. Rephrase it. This is a lot like my viewpoint on how you handled the mason lynch. It didn't make you scummy looking, but it doesn't help your case.There is _absolutely_ nothing that I said today that you can read and get "I don't know that DH has replaced Aldusskel". There isn't. If you got that, you read it wrong. Game over. Insert coin.
So, do me a favor.Did you really ask me if I think the person I'm voting for is scum?
I have Zach as a strong townread. Are you asking me because of VC analysis?
That is fine and good.Reck and hito's presence on the DH v1.0 and the NS lynchwagons rules out them both being scum.
Also fine and good.Hmm... considering that Al had been drifting through the game without providing much, I don't think we can make a hard judgement about DHv2.0's alignment yet.