Open 263 - The Wild Life [Game Over]

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Vote: silverbullet999

Because of werewolves and stuff.

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^Obvious scum tell.

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vote: chkflip

comes on with a random vote, comes back soon after to make another joke, and has no take on any events so far. right.

- Maybe that's because I don't have an opinion. Andrew's points, though far out, have validity. As do Jason's, Shotty's, and Guthrie's. I have no overtly negative read on any of them, so why wouldn't I start off with an RVS vote?
- This, to me, looks scummy.

UNVOTE

- As I have no current leads, I have noone to currently vote on, short you - but at this point, that'd just be silly and quite OMGUS. I'll be back with questions for (pretty much) everyone in my next post.

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VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

For every reason already stated. 1] Trying way too hard to lynch andrew. 2] the behavior changed pointed out by jason. 3] Even if his opinion of andrew was valid (which it clearly isn't) he's tunneling beyond the point of being merely anti-town.

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through, reactions from my plan, i can tell that shotty is either mafia/werewolf

- Now we're all parrots, squawking off one another. Happy?

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Are you always this, umm, energetic?

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Really, the only thing I don't get about andrew's plan is why we'd out the seer day one. That's not pro-town at all.

@Shotty:
- Happy Thanksgiving in advance, since you'll be v/la.
- What is your responce to not attacking andrew's assenine plans in the past?
- What's your opinion of Opposed Force? Do you think he's just jumping an easy wagon?
- Anything you want to share now that you're at L-2?

@jason:
- How often do you base your cases on metagaming?

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You think the scum team is andrew, OF, and erinyes?

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UNVOTE:

- With five scum candidates, it makes for easier mislynches.
- I'd like to hear shotty's opinion on parknourie's most recent accusation.
- I'd like to hear shotty elaborate on this andrew/of/erinyes possibility.
- I shouldn't have to mention that it's only page 6/7 into day 1 and that scum could easily hammer shotty, who may very well just be over-excited. I mean, he's sixteen. It happens.

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@Shattered Viewpoint:
- What's your opinion on the day's developments thus far?

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@Shotty:

Starting with a false assumption and then building a "house of cards" argument on that single assumption is a common part of the game of Mafia, by sheer virtue of the way in which the game is structured. So many unknown factors, abilities, and allegiances exist in the typical game (and especially in an atypical game, such as a Theme Game or Experimental Game), that each Day is an exercise in sorting out truth from fiction.

It can be difficult at times to tell who is building false arguments based on

ignorance

(and therefore likely to be ProTown, if somewhat ineffective), and who is building false arguments based on

secret knowledge

(Scum in possession of the ability to place blame without fear of hitting their teammates). Arguments which seem particularly well-reasoned, or based on hidden assumptions that no one else shares, can sometimes be evidence of scummy behavior. On the other hand, it may be evidence of a Cop with a guilty result who is unwilling to roleclaim yet!

- What are you, dumb or scum?

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my dear friend shootyy.
i have said: this would cause from for example


33% town win chance --> 40% chance
33% mafia chance ----> 40% chance
33% werewolf chance ----->20% chance

- How is this?

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Not to mention that, if anything, eliminating the seer would give

werewolves

the advantage as town's vice is then extinguished.

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i just ISO'd andrew, and look what i found. he has talked about his plan for half of his posts, and in the other half, merely said i think this person is scum, this person is town, etc. with NO CASE AT ALL. not even a reason for why someone is ranked more likely town or scum than anyone else. Andrew, please give reasons for your reads on people. Right now, he's looking like a mafia trying to blend in as town.

vote andrew

Your conclusion doesn't match your observations.

- How don't they match?
- What's your case against Erinyes?
- What do you think about the cases against andrew and shotty thus far?
- If you had a daykill, who would you use it on? Why?

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- Cool. Thanks for the response. Hope your head gets better.
- What's your case against Erinyes?

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@people_concerned_about_the_Erinyes_case:
- Thought I'd update. There is no case on Erinyes. iamausername "has a feeling", it's SV's RVS-looking vote, and it's andrew saying "BELIEVE ME GUIEZ". All of which are assenine.

@silverbullet:
- It's both. You haven't posted much,

and what you have

is just fodder.
- Could you elaborate on the shotty case, from your own standpoint?

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- Seemed like you needed some clarification, sorry for trying to help.

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...

- You guys realize you have Erinyes at

L-2

with absolutely no case on him, right? Simply lynching andrew afterward won't help us any either... what if they're

both

town? What then?

- Shotty, eh, he's beginning to look much less scummy now that he's toned down the posts. He's also at

L-2

.

- Also, here's a thought. What if werewolves

don't

kill mafia and life isn't the big eutopia you want it to be? Then what? We're fucked harder. And harder.

Vote: andrew94

- Your plan is beyond foolish.

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- You realize that that would mean

you're

scum, right?

- Also, note: what if mafia doesn't come out? Werewolves aim random, kill all.

- lurking? No. Last visited: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:20 am. He simply hasn't been on site.

- Who's the idiot? Oh, the guy throwing out bogus thoughts. Gotit.

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@mod:

- Players who go for more than 72 hours will be prodded. If you are prodded and do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced.

- ...Erinyes hasn't been on in a week.

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D'oh!

Now I feel like an asshole. My apologies, Kunk.

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@iamausername:
- I would've responded to you first, but I'm currently writing an english compare/contrast paper. No fun. [/whinecomplain]

- I think andrew

is

trying to blend in as town in his own unconventional way. Shoving tells around without any rhyme or reason seems like a man that doesn't want to have to explain himself; furthermore, it shows (especially with his blatant disregard to see anyone else's side) that he's deathly attempting to push this mislynch.

- Fair enough, we'll wait for Guthrie.

- The PL bit was a joke, people want him lynched for actual reasons now. I've stated some... as have others.

- You don't like how the shotty train grew? Elaborate, please.

@jason:
- Good to hear. That last post was a bit worrisome.

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@andrew:
- I'm not defending anybody, I'm calling

you

scum.

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Pretty hardcore defending park, too. Scumbuddies much?

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- Scott, I already said it in a previous post, there's no actual case against you. They're all just "gut feelings" and going off of what andrew has said. A single person has said they have a case but decline to actually bring it forward, which makes me think it's a crock of shit.

- To note, I'm ill. If you want something from me, directly ask and I'll try. No promises, though.

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- And we've all stated that just your gut isn't enough for a town to follow you. That's stupid. Come up with something logical and maybe it'll get more steam.

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- I'd like to note that there's only ONE DAY left in this phase. Let's not waste the lynch on a hunch, mmk? Let's come to some sort of agreement. Please.

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- Also, Jason, everyone who's voted for Scott has a weak ass reason OR they "decline to state", which is also a weak ass reason. Just to clarify.

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^ do you not realize how utterly pointless that would be of us?

Come on guys, let's lynch andrew's nonsensical ass.

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Seriously? You know you're not going to get one.

LYNCH. ANDREW.

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Not in the slightest. If you're town, I'm trimming the completely worthless fat that you are in every game I've played with you. Thing is... I don't think you're town.

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And seriously? I'M the retard? The one who has a sound argument... is retarded? Scott asked for a case, and that is? "Oh... uhhh... well, I don't have a case. BUT what I do have is a solemn swear that you can lynch me if he's not."

Look in the mirror.

And make sure to notice the down's syndrome forehead this time.

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- DAMNIT! I was looking for that, too.

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VOTE: parknourie

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Wow.... are we seriously not going to lynch some scum today?

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10 hours if I'm not mistaken.

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- Thanks Kunkstar!

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The case against parknourie

(in a nutshell)
- He's been found to blatantly contradict himself.
- He's sheople'ing with andrew for

no reason

other than "trusting" andrew's gut.
- Upon being asked for said case (several times), he "didn't feel like" showing it. Meaning there isn't one.
- Slip-up when calling me a werewolf, when he couldn't know that for sure (unless he's mafia, and even then it's a shot in the dark).
- More upon request, but I'd say these are pretty blatant tells.

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Ughhhh... though his play has calmed down drastically, I don't have faith in you people to get park lynched today.

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

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What is the case on shotty?

- Read his posts in the first, oh, five pages. AFTER andrew comes up with that ridiculous scheme to kill off the seer, etc. He just kinda flips out, which is so obviously against his town-meta as, in a game linked by jason, andrew did something similar and town-shotty didn't give a shit. That's the main reason why, not that werewolfy crap SV said. Though that is a smaller thing to note, he's slipped. A lot.

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Where is everybody? This is sad.

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Who do you propose we lynch, Shotty?

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What should we judge you by, then? Character? What?

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Wow, this game is going down a road to nowhere good. Let's pick up the pace or something guys, I'd hate to see this game aborted.

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Andrew stop trying to make it to where to mafia can win easilly you are just hard core claiming mafia

*Red cross* Incorrect. Hello? His original plan wanted the seer out first and afterwards the mafia, which are dangerous for end-game situations to the wolves. Guess what he is?

vote andrew

Anyway, Andrew, how does it help to know if scum may claim in a 2-2-1 (1 town player) situation? In that situation, if a wolf gets lynched, the day afterwards it's either 1-1-1 or 1-2-1, both resulting in a mafia win. If a mafia is lynched, wolves win. And in case of a no-lynch, it depends on who gets killed during the night (I think as I dunno who wins when you enter day in a 2-2-0 situation >.<)

from reactions, shotty is a mafia and erinys is a wolf

So your reason for you thinking I'm a wolf comes from the fact that I don't support your plan, which would basically eliminate the seer and the mafia if we do it and if it works. And I as wolf wouldn't support that, because?
Also, how nice of you to answer my question.

Sorry, Iam. The correct feeling is at Andrew. But you may state it if you disagree that Andrew's plan is scummy (suggesting to sacrifice the seer D1) and pointless (rule #7). This vote is better than a random vote.

I HATE YOU ALL

*huggles*

- Please, in great detail, explain to me what about these posts are scummy to you. The way I see it, it's because he thinks your plan is as assenine as everyone else (short one idiot) does. Go.

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Thanks for openly telling us you're going to lie so we can purely ignore it.

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Because the real one's not a complete and utter idiot, unlike

somebody

.

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As a player who's probably jumped the most often in this frantic voting process, we really do need to come to some sort of concencus on this you guys. We've gotten an extention on the deadline already. With five scum, it's probably going to take a large portion of the seven townies to come to a lynch because the werewolves obviously aren't going to vote against the werewolves and the same goes for the mafia. Bussing on D1? Probably the furthest from a likely scenario. That being said, it's pretty obvious that one of these is right on the mark.

Andrew, parknourie, and drmyshottyizsik. One or more of these three names is scum of some flavor, lest we'd have come to a mislynch far sooner than needing a deadline extention that can very well ultimately lead to a mislynch, which could ultimately lead to a worst case scenario of five townies and five scum. Not. Good.

It is my firm belief that jason's observation of shotty's reaction (be it that you agree or disagree with metagaming) is the most prominent scumtell of them all, with andrew's recent(ly faked) V/LA taking a close second. Seriously.

LYNCH. SHOTTY.

We only need two more votes, and it's coming up to the last few days of this extended deadline. Let's do this, guys.

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EBWODP:

One or more of these three names is scum of some flavor, lest we'd have come to a mislynch far sooner than needing a deadline extention that can very well ultimately lead to a

NO lynch

, which could ultimately lead to a worst case scenario of five townies and five scum.

A mislynch would also be no good, but like I already said, I truly believe shotty is scum. Why else would he call for a lynch on andrew so hastily and angrily? Andrew's plan was the most negative against the mafia. 1 + 1 = 2.

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Vote: drmyshotty

I guess this is what EVERYONE wants, so I'll just do it.
Don't blame me with the consequences (hmm...I'm really IRRESPONSIBLE...)

Also what do you mean consiqences?

- He's saying if shotty shows up as town. Which really makes me beleive even furthermore that he has insider information, which leads me to believe that he's mafia and the aforementioned meta-tell could really be shottytown being regular shotty withholding nothing. Scary thought.

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No, goddamnit. I'm not wasting a lynch on tardo-townie andrew. Let's make a

real

case and come together for a good laugh when andrew realizes nobody is listening to him.

LET'S DO THIS!

I'd give real content, but I'm studying for an English exam right now. We have to write a timed essay... and I'm not good at those. So yeah. No VLA or anything, but just a bit less content for tonight and maybe tomorrow.

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VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

- Your name is quite ironic, given the circumstances. Why do you want to lynch Andrew?

- How do you think you played D1?

- Who are your top suspects for the three mafia and one remaining werewolf? Proof?

@jason:
- What DP said. I know you're just trying to help, but even andrew's reasons (which you've FINALLY gotten out of him) are half-assed at best. We'd best ignore him and make certain we're on the right path before sticking someone on L-1 without andrew already on the train. Gotta love VI's, eh?

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@MOD:

Prods available yet? Request for all available prods to be sent, please.

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Ah, makes sense. Thanks, kunk, and sorry for jumping the prod gun.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: PARKSCUMMY

Are you serious, Park? You flip-flopped from "I TRUST YOU~~" to "HOW DO WE TRUST THIS GUY". No. Just... just no.

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Heyo Later, how's that a slip?

Also, just because I played a fair game with you, as scum, doesn't mean I'm going to be scum in every game thereafter. Care to explain where I seem scummy to you, chief? So far, you've said nothing beyond "suspecting". Do give reason, please.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

Gotta be honest, though, I'm glad the wolves took Scott out for us. Was that intentional, Shattered, or did you think he was town?

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He said that because people are blindly calling him scum... for what? Hammering... scum? Bitch, please. I'm in a game where shotty hammered without just cause, warning, or shit anything, and that was alright. What's the corrolation?

You're fucking strawmanning. Hammering doesn't mean shit.

Furthermore, why the fffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck would ONE SOLITARY ANYTHING, be it wolf or mafia, kill off a partner in a 5-3-2 setup? (Or was it 7-3-2, IDR) Those numbers are already drastically small and rough for said groups, killing off your partner seems beyond a reasonable gambit.

Unless you're calling DP stoopid, in which case, he's definitely not as stupid as andrew.

P.S. Where's that self-hammer at?

P-EDIT: another great fucking point, thank you Later.

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@jason, Later. Fair point that I forgot to include his name... though I didn't expect you to jump in and post a single sentence.

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I'd suspect that scummates would stay off one-another's wagons when it comes to dropping the hammer; however, it's not completely farfetched for them to vote for one-another for townpoints.

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Indeed, but there hasn't been a hammer. Nor was Scott anywhere near lynched. See where I'm going with this? Bussing is always a possibility, I'm talking moreso about hammering.

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DP, who do you think are the remaining scum?

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Open 263 - The Wild Life.

Players Alive (8/12)

andrew94
smashbro_of_the_SSS
Lateralus22

[

OpposedForce

] [

Broggly

]

Shattered Viewpoint
DavidParker

[

Guthrie

]

jasonT1981
chkflip
iamausername

Players Dead (4/12)

drmyshottyizsik,

Werewolf

, Lynched Day 1.

silverbullet999,

Seer

, Mauled Night 1.

parknourie,

Mafia Goon

, Lynched Day 2.

Scott Brosius

[

Erinyes

]

,

Mafia Goon

, Mauled Night 2.

I'm glad Lateralus replaced OF and is being super active about it. Quite revitalizing for the town, I'd say. Perhaps that's because he thought he'd be suspecious if he was more passive? Unlikely, he was this jumpy last game. Not always a bad trait - he's playing very town.

David Parker's "slip", however, was a bit of a stetch to say the least. Why so much attention on that one action you hadn't actually looked into all that solidly?

I also don't like Smash's coasting through this game. He's contributing jack anything and, excuses/LA's aside, it's just been very convenient to say the least.

The same could be said of Iam.

Shattered Viewpoint is scum. Let's continue this great roll we're on.

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As promised:

mafia: andrew, parknourie, ScottBro

Werewolf: jason

Reasons: andrew & park are just too scummy, if I really have to explain why, then you're the VI. Scottbro is not playing to his town meta.

jason is being far too analytical for his normal town play; and he voted shotty very early (perhaps to distance himself for later).

- I'd like to hear from Shattered one more time before we hammer, tbh.

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Lateralus, I think you're trying

waaaay toooo haaaard

. It's not always that cut and dry. The fact that you're tunneling on him so hard makes me take your alignment into consideration. I mean, you're the second replacement. It's a possibility that the slot you hold is the third scumbuddy that didn't want to lose with Parknourie and Erinyes/Scott. Just keep it in your pants and we'll probably be okay.

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UNVOTE:

- No, Lateralus, we can't. We still have until after Christmas. Iam's right, it's not a target, but using the time wisely is better than rushing and making mistakes. Now, please, calm yourself.

-

SV

, he does make a point. There are several questions aimed at you in the last few pages that you should answer so we can move on and/or lynch you.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm still on the wagon of SV being scum and will happily hammer if he isn't more compliant with us. I just don't want him to completely feel like giving up if he turns out to be a disheartened townie. L-2 isn't that much different than L-1.

And, for the record, I cited Iam because I was partially agreeing with him.

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Whatever you say, Fate2.

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I'll hammer if SV doesn't claim and answer all questions asked of him.

Last three pages.

24 hours.

Go.

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Lateralus, he was talking about his disdain for day one long before anyone was even scumhunting seriously. I know because I'm the one that asked him about it; furthermore, this is another flimsy reason that you've come up with that I do not like.

FoS

!~

What makes you so damn sure jason is town again?

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I read the post, guy. I'm asking if that's how you came to your conclusion or if there was perhaps something else?

He's saying he doesn't like Day 1 PERIOD. As in EVER. NO MATTER WHAT. THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME WHEN I ASKED HIM THIS HELLA EARLY IN THE GAME. LIKE I ALREADY SAID. SMARTASS.

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Why does the answer to that question matter so much? I don't feel as if it has much merit to anything pertaining to SV!scum.

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I'm not ignoring anything, there just not counted against you because I agree with those points. I just don't like your methods sometimes.

Not answering the second loaded question.

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It's in the wording, kind sir.

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Ugh, it's not even worth getting into. Just nevermind, I'll bring it up again if you continue looking scummy to me.

In the meantime, I'm more than willing to hammer SV since it appears as if he's not coming back etc.

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I don't like your attitude.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

Deal with it.

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And then there was one.

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Talk about "no pressure"...

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Such a needle in the heystack, though.

In case it isn't DP, who are our other top suspects?

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This shit again?

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Why don't you make a case, then? Gut didn't get you anywhere last time.

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It's not like IAU's made himself stand out though, Later. I would've forgotten about him, too, if he didn't come off (to me) as scummy.

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- If you had a daykill, who would you use it on? Why?

Well, if I had that option, I'd save it for now, because Erinyes is being replaced, and it would obviously be worth seeing what the replacement has to say before taking him down.

- Who was nightkilled? Oh, yeah. I know this is a stretch, but I'm reading the thread over and not a lot is standing too far out to me.

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I suppose that's true, init? That'd mean IUA would have killed his buddy and that just doesn't make sense. Perhaps that's what SV was going for.

BAH

!

Back to the drawing board. I'm on board with what IUA said about making this a perfect game. Well, short of losing our seer N1.

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2 questions-

1) who thinks im scum
2) who thinks chkflip is scum

if everyone says no to both, then its easy

- Please tell me where this is going. Preferably, in more than three sentences.

- The DParker case is looking really good, but it's also making Lateralus look more and more opportunistic. Just look at the points he brings up. Does the word Mafia/Werewolf/Scum make a difference in it's use? I don't think so, but I'm just one man. More on that as it develops.

- Town has gotten incredibly lazy. I implore everyone to fire off with their two biggest scum targets and some reasons as to why they're on the top of your list. I'll start!~

-1- IAU for the Santa Wishlist stunt. I don't buy the case, not to mention Later's meta-tell.

-2- Smash. His activity has picked up since I've mentioned him... same with IAU, though, so it's hard to tell which is the better candidate for final!scummer.

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Definitely not. Also, when I said three sentences, I meant that they should pertain to what you were talking about in that one instance... not write three completely unrelated, not so simple sentences.

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As flattered as I am for you to feel so strongly that way, I'm entirely too lazy to do this on my own. So self-hammering to make this process "faster" is really more counter-productive than we need right now. You have at least one listener (in me) so I implore you to reconsider giving up so overtly.

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Would prefer to not waste a lynch like this, but I suppose there's no overall harm if nights are no more.

VOTE: DavidParker

STOP. HAMMER TIME.

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If he flips town, who's next?

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+5 for Star Wars reference.

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We can all agree that andrew will be completely worthless to town and won't help us at all in this stage of the game, right?

VOTE: andrew94

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Reactionfish fail on the andrew vote.

UNVOTE:

Yes, I hammered a townie. I did. You saw that he'd given up, right? You saw, just before that, that I IMPLORED HIM (THAT MEANS ASKED REAL NICE) to continue the game, but there was nothing there. Dead weight doesn't help us win this game.

VOTE: jason

His reasons are absolutely outrageous.

Also, I haven't been gone for very long. I had to go Christmas shopping. And now I'm wrapping, so my big extended post answering everyone is going to be on hold for now. What I will say, however, is that jason has enormous testicles. Call ME out for half-posting? Bitch, what have you done ALL GAME?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Look at my powerful ass, having a vote on andrew AND jason. xD

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Smash

I support andrew in this lynch. Amongst other reasons I have little to no time to indulge in. Also, a response to questions of me as time permits as well.

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jason or IAU, lynch smash please.

Thanks.

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Your active lurking has, though. That's for sure.

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More from IAU and andrew would be equally as nice.

Come on, guys.

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Well played, gentlemen. Well played.

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hahaha you're a trooper for that last post in your QT, Smash. If only you'd posted more, I wouldn't have thought of you as being so scummy.

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OMGUS much?