Open 263 - The Wild Life [Game Over]

[jasonT1981]

vote: Andrew

Im super serious on this... Andrew, whats your role this time? and by role I mean the one you fake claim every game in.

[jasonT1981]

I back the policy lynch on Andrew 100%

[jasonT1981]

Once again Andrew has made my head explode.

[jasonT1981]

unvote

My vote on Andrew and subsequent calls for a Policy Lynch were to guage reactions... Andrews plan makes me believe he is town, we played a game recently were andrew as town suggested an equally crazy sceme and town ended up winning. Still unsure about the outting partners and claiming thingy... hence my head explodes

but town read on andrew so far.

[jasonT1981]

Guth, this is how Andrew plays though.. its bloody annoying (Sorry Andrew lol) but nothing you can do.

[jasonT1981]

vote: Shotty

Anyone pushing an Andrew wagon/lynch is scum. He is the easy wagon, the one scum will jump on to get lynched because of his game style and push the things that others would not look twice at if it was not Andrew... given his reputation scum see him as an easy lynch and will push whatever to secure it.

I know, I did this in the last game I played with Andrew as Scum.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 02&start=0

Andrew has been lynched something like 8 times on day 1 (Andrew, can you back this up.. I forget the exact number you once said).... most of the time flipping town and having scum on his wagon pushing it for stuff exactly like this from what I am lead to believe.

Andrew is town, anyone pushing otherwise is scum. I sure as hell would be doing it too if I was scum.

[jasonT1981]

Actually, lets back things up here... here is Shotty as town when Andrew was acting scummy... he doesnt push a thing on Andrew

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 02&start=0

Same game, only Shotty in ISO..notice nothing

Yes Shotty, I am aware of what Andrew said... but unlike what your saying he did NOT claim scum

mod, your rule number 7, is there an exception, where you can claim your scumbuddies for a chance to win

He asked about exceptions to the rule.... I see no scum claim there yet lets see how many timeas you push Andrew has claimed scum when he actually HAS NOT and asked a question about scum win conditions... Something town might be interested in knowing... but lets look how many times you misrep what he said by claiming he claimed.

There is no breaking strategy!!!!!!
But go aheah try!
Also Andrew you just claimed scum in post 18

Andrew just claimed scum

Andrew stop trying to make it to where to mafia can win easilly you are just hard core claiming mafia

no andrew then wolves would win

also @ SSSoS- yes good times. But also Andrew has already claimed scum and slipped

Andrew = scum, he has admitted it and acted pro mafia all day.
Lets lynch him

No jason, the fact is that Andrew basicly claimed scum, RTFT

SIX times you push Andrew claiming scum.. but lets see what Andrew says again... shall we?

mod, your rule number 7, is there an exception, where you can claim your scumbuddies for a chance to win

That sure as hell aint no scum claim.. thats a question directed to the mod about scum win conditions that are unique to this games ruleset.

Shotty = Scum pushing BS on Andrew who is the easy lynch.. I rest my case.

[jasonT1981]

no... what he is saying is it forces scum to maintain balance... as in try not to get lynched because when they lose members they are fucked....I see no scum claim or wanting scum to win. Your really strawmanning this arguement.

He is asking questions of the setup and how various factions can win or lose.. thats town play to me...no where is he saying he wants mafia to win or nowhere does he claim mafia..

All those bolded is pointing out setup issues or asking questions to the mod about the setup.. thats not scummy.. pushing that it is scummy... is in itself scummy as you are completly misrepping and twisting what has been said..

DIE SCUM DIE!

[jasonT1981]

@jason: are you saying that andrew is more of a policy lynch/easy lynch than drshotty? If that IS what you're saying, can you somehow align that with, like, reality?

Yes, Andrew has been lynched something like 7/8 times I believe he once said as town on day 1 due to his playstyle. Therefor is an easy lynch for scum to try and push.

[jasonT1981]

played with him a few times, note the game i linked Shotty was town and did not go after Andrew even though he was playing this exact same way... Scum did however I was scum in that game... now Shotty is going after Andrew for similar things that scum went after him for in the last game yet Shotty didn't as town.

therefor I believe Shotty is scum

[jasonT1981]

Somewhat very ironic..

Silver bullets kill wearwolves and Silverbullet has a wolf in the picture..

Its obivious he is town with a name like that and his picture is telling us what he wants to kill

/towntell

[jasonT1981]

yes, actually lol.

[jasonT1981]

yes, actually... though it was more an attempt at sarcasm

[jasonT1981]

took a quick look at Erinyes in ISO... something strikes me as weird. I get Andrews plan might not work... but at least he is putting options forward. This truely makes me believe Andrew is town. I don't like also how you seem to question him questioning the setup and how scum/town/wolves can win.. that is pro town trying to find out things.

Yes, Andrews playstyle is erratic... it can be annoying but it is not a reason to push him as scum, I feel only scum would truely push the Andrew wagon and get the easy lynch (Sorry Andrew, but you know yourself you are a Day 1 Lynch a lot which is usually scum driven)

[jasonT1981]

for me yes, i am over with wanting to lynch andrew. I still think its a crime to leave someone that plays so baf alive, but still...

unvote vote Erinyes

Actually, Andrew despite his reputation can be quite good to keep around as town. He pulled a bloody good stunt in a recent game that caught me as the last remaining scum when many didnt think I was and it in turn won the game for the town.

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, I was scum in that game.

[jasonT1981]

played with him a few times, note the game i linked Shotty was town and did not go after Andrew even though he was playing this exact same way... Scum did however I was scum in that game... now Shotty is going after Andrew for similar things that scum went after him for in the last game yet Shotty didn't as town.

therefor I believe Shotty is scum

Okay, see, I can understand (slightly) how you could potentially persuade yourself that this has some little tiny bits of logic-ness inside of it, but I really, really don't follow the leap from A to B to Banana. And then the last major leap over into "Shotty is scum because the Eiffel Tower is still standing."

Help me?

OK, what I am saying is I feel Shotty is scum because I have seen scum push Andrew the way Shotty is right now.. I did it myself as scum. If you look at that other game, despite Andrew playing the same (And scum pushing his lynch) Town Shotty defended Andrew and didnt see him as scum.

Now Andrew is playing the same way again Shotty is all over him trying to make a BS case on him... like I have seen scum do in the past on Andrew and like I have as scum when facing Andrew as town.

Thats how I feel Shotty is scum because he is doing everything scum is asociated with doing when it comes to trying to lynch Andrew.

yea, jason said last game 'andrew's vi meta might be faked' now hes defending my meta = =

anyway, the only reason im voting drmyshooty(werewolf) is because eriyes is a mafia

Yes Andrew, you are right here... I did attack you in the last game about you 'faking meta to look VI' for the simple reason I was scum trying to get you lynched and trying anything to achieve it.

[jasonT1981]

Stop that shit, there WAS NO CLAIM.

Show me exactly were Andrew said 'I AM MAFIA!' Seriously show me those words... show me the claim

[jasonT1981]

that is not a claim though..... thats set up questions

[jasonT1981]

Andrew... please stop the declaring of scum or town based on who attacks or defends you.

[jasonT1981]

Emergancy V/LA... might be going into hospital, waiting to go for docs appointment.. spent last night vomiting blood and severe stomuch pains

[jasonT1981]

slowly getting back on my feet.. got diagnosed with food poisioning and a burst blood vessel. Not as serious as I thought but still groggy on it.

going to have a look back later but Andrew is all over the place here, again this is normal for Andrew though his 187 seems almost like something scum would do.. not entirely sure on Andrew still though...its bloody erratic. Will try and post more later/tomorrow when I get back to full fitness

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, can you start making cases on people please? it does get tiresome listening to you say (X) is scum and (Y) is town without anything actually backing it up.. I see no reason to lynch scott right now.

[jasonT1981]

Also your town reads on Jason and park are pretty much baseless.

Yea, I tend to agree with this, Andrew has a thing were anyone who attacks him or questions him must be scum and those who side with him or defend him from a lynch/case must be town.

[jasonT1981]

read erinyes posts. i cant really explain it. but he is mafia. (he only has 3 posts), then scott comes in with a faked 'reasonable attitude' that totally does not change anything
-if you think im bussing, then hes mafia too

how is his reasonable attitude 'faked'

[jasonT1981]

Limited Access ATM. UK Has been hit by bad snow storms and the electric is goign off and on.

[jasonT1981]

not really seeing much of a case, if any right now on Scott.. can someone give me bulletpoints on it please?

[jasonT1981]

Erinyes was scum by virtue of huggling me. I DO NOT LIKE BEING TOUCHED. Scum always know this.

ScottBro replaced in for Erinyes, and therefore, Scott Bro is also scum.

Case closed, yes?

Wait.. really this is the case??

[jasonT1981]

thats a serious weak reason to vote someone.

[jasonT1981]

Oh believe me, I get that. I amyet to see a valid reason for the vote. but this is seriously the worst

I don't feel like showing you why.

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, why?

[jasonT1981]

Shotty should be todays lynch for the constant misrepping on Andrew trying to get him lynched. That surely is the scummiest thing in this game right now... Park should also be heavily considered

[jasonT1981]

because we have less than 27 hours to deadline.
because i will take responsibility of this lynch, thats why

No, I mean an actual case... reasons why he is scummy. I agree we need to lynch, but a lynch with no evedience is horrible.. and quite possible scum driven

[jasonT1981]

Andrews also an easy target, he claims scum at anyone without reasoning.. Shotty should be the lynch.

[jasonT1981]

Andrew... why should we lynch scott... not because we need to lynch but I want a CASE on him from you

[jasonT1981]

OK SERIOUSLY... THIS IS BEYOND A JOKE...

LYNCH PERSON X...NO, LYNCH PERSON Y

SHOW ME SOME FUCKING ACTUAL REASONS AS TO WHY WE SHOULD LYNCH SOMEONE. I HAVE YET TO SEE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE.

[jasonT1981]

@Mod: Request for an extension to deadline, we really need the extra time.

Andrew, you are not the autolynch for tomorrow if Scott is town.. thats just obsurd and hurts town even more if you are really town.

SHOW ME SOME FUCKING ACTUAL REASONS AS TO WHY WE SHOULD LYNCH SOMEONE. I HAVE YET TO SEE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE.

CAPS DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING

also i already stated my reasons in particular.

Yea... one of the only ones making sense actually right now. Shotty should be the lynch, something we both agree on... Caps were to show my frustration with no one seemingly taking this seriosly and then panic lynching with no evedience on show.

[jasonT1981]

look at th early pages and how he did nothing but push Andrew claiming scum and made a song and dance about it.. also look at the link i provided of Shotty town with Andrew playing same way and he didnt push anything on him

[jasonT1981]

Wait,... haven't you decalred Scott the lynch today /head-desk.

Whats the case on Eriynes, Andrew

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, please call people by screen-names.. not everyone knows who the hell your refering to

[jasonT1981]

urgh disreard that.. im getting confused as hell

[jasonT1981]

yea, snow is a bitch here at the minute. We have had numerous power cuts due to it.

[jasonT1981]

i dont see shotty's reaction to my plan as particularly suspicious.
i am more sure of scott

Andrew, can you show me what you think makes Scott sure scum please?

[jasonT1981]

if we are to judge him solely on gameplay in this game and not using past Meta... Andrew, you probably have a lot to answer for... I still stick to the Andrew is town based on knowing him to play like this but meh, Andrew makes things so complicated for himself.

[jasonT1981]

wake me up when we finally lynch shottie...

wake me up when we finally lynch shottie...

Not liking these two posts... well one post and repeat quote... seems like they want to slide until a lynch is done, and not bother to look anywhere else or particiapate... really dont like this.

[jasonT1981]

I dont see how its twisting.. you sy wake me up when Shotty is lynched showing you are quite happy to sit back and let the votes run in without contribution... DP doesnt even say anything just quotes you for goodness sake

[jasonT1981]

CHK, Andrew calls town on anyone who agrees or backs him up... scum on all those who disagree. I have noticed this with him and it is a constent.

[jasonT1981]

disagree or suspect him I should say

[jasonT1981]

no

[jasonT1981]

ADREW STOP THIS FAKE CLAIM SHITE.. YOU FAKE CLAIM EVERY FUCKING GAME!

[jasonT1981]

no i didnt, i was asking the mod if others could
strategy:

day 1 seer claim+ no lynch

night 1 seer die
day 2 3 mafia claim, we cant lynch them , if we do , werewolves outnumber us = 1 chance to lynch werewolf
night 2 werewolf obs kills mafia
day 3 more chance to lynch werewolf
etc etc

Actually, looking back LOL

[jasonT1981]

ha! but you cant ignore me

because ill be the only person claiming seer

fine, come day 2, i shall claim seer with a guilty result of scott (

real seer dont counterclaim, or i might be the real seer wifom u guys)

and you will have no choice but to lynch either scott or me (even though im sure scott is mafia)

these two posts disturb me highly, this is NOT town play... or at least pro-town. He is admitting a possible fake claim/result to secure a lynch. Andrew, what is pro town about that? look at start of second.. come day 2 i will claim seer.... so hes not actually really claiming now and is this admission of a fakeclaim.

Andrew, you are this close to a vote now... theres Andrew play, then there is just pure scummy and lying... present your case NOW on Scott. I won't ask again.

[jasonT1981]

Also, pro town would NEVER add WIFOM to confuse the town more than it is.. thats scummy plain and simple.

Andrew explain your actions now and present a case... I am starting to think Shotty

could

be right about you

[jasonT1981]

are you trying to protect SV now??

is that directed at me? I make no mention of SV in my post actually so please show me how you feel I am trying to protect him .. I am reviewing my thoughts on him to post after dinner... my posts were directed at Andrews incredible anti-town play in the recent posts he has made.

Disregard though if that was not meant for me, and was aimed at someone else, DP.

EBYOP: I guess it was given your last post. It would not be a policy lynch/vote. I don't support them I am considering my vote/stance on Andrew due to recent play. which is by far one of the scummiest things I have seen as of yet... So yea, please show me how its defending SV.

[jasonT1981]

Im not pushing a useless wagon.. I aint even got a vote on Andrew, I am only asking questions and making observations... your pushing SV who has what, one vote to the five on Shotty... what makes Andrew any more of a useless wagon right now? I am allowed to look more than one direction you know. right now my scum suspects are

Shotty
Andrew
Park

And will be reviewing SV after dinner

[jasonT1981]

your hysterical defence/accusations are noted though

[jasonT1981]

Im keep all options open so as not to focus on just one person. My threat of vote was to put presure on him to finally answer questions asked of him and make him accountable for his behaviour.

[jasonT1981]

I agree with Shitty lynch, however Andrew, come out of lurking.. your V/LA? how come your posting in other games? you have questions to answer, Andrew... come on...

[jasonT1981]

OMG! That was completly a mistake.. Shotty not Shitty.. OK, do not watch TV while typing hehe

Sorry, Shotty.

[jasonT1981]

Vote: andrew

intentional lurking disguised as a v/la.

heh heh

v/la til monday sorry

[jasonT1981]

Nah... im just laughing at the irony of it.

[jasonT1981]

ok lol..

I didn't know you were back from V/LA. and found it funny/ironic at the time you were voting someone for being V/LA when your last post said V/LA. however, yes you do seem active again so no harm. just found it funny. Andrew seems to have disappeared once again though.

[jasonT1981]

Yea, he posted 30 mins before my post on here in a game I am in with him, and is posting quite frequently on the site toady....

funny he disappears when serious questions are asked of him..

He has made 10 posts on site since declaring V/LA here actually

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 4&sr=posts

[jasonT1981]

Yea, lynch Shotty and deal with Andrew tomorrow. He has too much to answer for and lynching him today while he is 'V/LA' he wont answer anything. We can pressure the hell out of him day 2 for answers. Faked V/LA right before deadline with return as soon as deadline runs out (by looking at his timeframe..2 day V/LA with 2 days deadline) when under pressure shows he wanted to coast to the end of the day.

He needs to answer ALOT tomorrow. And I intend to make sure he is accountable for his actions today.

[jasonT1981]

Also with Andrews apparent downfall as of late it looks like Shotty was early bussing as he knew Andrew could be a liability to make him look more town in our eyes.

[jasonT1981]

OK ANDREW REASONS FOR SCOTT NOW!!!! SERIOUSLY POST A FRICKEN CASE

[jasonT1981]

Vote: drmyshotty

I guess this is what EVERYONE wants, so I'll just do it.
Don't blame me with the consequences (hmm...I'm really IRRESPONSIBLE...)

Also what do you mean consiqences?

[jasonT1981]

how will your death prove he is scum? and how can we possibly lynch on your gut read>?

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell

[jasonT1981]

LOL at Andrew... he was already voting Shotty, so it would not have been a hammer from him anyway.. also

HAMMER FALLS... DAM DAM DAM DAM~!
BEETHOVEN (mis-spelled?) THUNDERS.
Curtain rolls, and AN WEREWOLF FALLS FLAT ONTO THE GROUND.

Interesting you say wearwolf.... why warewolf and not scum? slip maybe?

please werewolves KILL SCOTT

tomorrow you sure as hell BETTER have something better than 'gut' feeling... and if Scott somehow does flip 'scum' I will consider it in the same catagory as above

[jasonT1981]

LOL. I'm currently in Andrew's game...he is defending me in that game...so no cigar from me, guys.

@Jason - and i dont give a shit about YOUR (nor drmyshotty's) Policy Lynch. If there was justice, Policy Lynch winner is drmyshotty. No doubt about it.

Andrew's ridiculous idea just might work. But that just shows he is trying to lead the game into convenient Mafia victory.

vote: Andrew94

3 posts before his actual vote... defending Andrew, saying his plan might work... then voting him in 4th post saying his plan is convienient to scum... however comes up with this in next post

Some strange debates going on... i have no comment to make nor to follow anyone just yet.

Random vote stays on Andrew meanwhile.

..

thats hardly random....

However, I believe this is the first slip he made as Scott has said about

Vote: Chkflip

Random voting stage is over for me.

This guy is Werewolf

When asked... he says this about his vote

@drmyshotty - Oh~ you know, GUTS.

not buying it...

then looking here, not scum but warewolf again

Hmm.

Good to see a werewolf drawing us to yet another wolf-y candidate.

But I don't see drmyshotty such a threat...if you dont consider his existance in this game, that is.

Also, notice the defence of Shotty...but in very next post look who he votes

vote: drmyshotty

Losing your cool like always. But u have said that you improved since we played. Looking back at your games, whenever people are spot-on, you lose your cool. So since you lost your cool now, you are 100% Mafia/Werewolf.

And now more defence of Andrew

@ drmyshotty - You are hellbent on destroying Andrew94's Mafia career. Are you sure you are on the right track and 100% sure that he is scum? I don't see him as such a strong candidate...

He changes to Scott saying 'scum'

only to say this amazing comment

I don't feel like showing you why.

now, look at this.. more defence of Andrew 100% town

Andrew = Town
This is for sure. 100% sure.

but only two posts before

Wow, practiacally everybody is getting replaced.

There is NO WAY anyone can be 100% sure about ANYONE except for themselves at this point.

drmyshotty and Andrew, stop babbling everyone with your ridiculous statistics.
Erinyes (before getting replaced by Scott) still seems like a strong candidate in terms of scumminess.

Huge flip.. no one can be 100% sure to Andrew is town 100% see anything wrong here

more Andrew defence

I don't see much difference from this straight-forward statement to what I have said before: Andrew = Townie.

Tomorrow, you have ALOT to answer.. and last, as already noted.. the warewolf again

Curtain rolls, and AN WEREWOLF FALLS FLAT ONTO THE GROUND.

[jasonT1981]

Oh look, 100% sure again.. despite what he said about no one can be 100%

vote: drmyshotty

Losing your cool like always. But u have said that you improved since we played. Looking back at your games, whenever people are spot-on, you lose your cool. So since you lost your cool now,

you are 100% Mafia/Werewolf.

[jasonT1981]

Andrew... either play the fucking game right or replace out FFS

[jasonT1981]

silverbullet999,

Seer

, Mauled Night 1.[/color][/b]

fine, come day 2, i shall claim seer with a guilty result of scott (real seer dont counterclaim, or i might be the real seer wifom u guys) and you will have no choice but to lynch either scott or me (even though im sure scott is mafia)

ha! but you cant ignore me because ill be the only person claiming seer

vote: Andrew

[jasonT1981]

vote scott bro

also, gut not good enough... reasons now!

[jasonT1981]

Before today ends I want Park to justify his actions I have documented in 439.

[jasonT1981]

Whoa~
Drmyshotty was Werewolf?!
Silverbullet was Seer?!
Guess we are screwed for now...

Since he came on and complely ignored everything and fluff posted, almost gloating about it...I am going to re-ask this and insist on answers

Before today ends I want Park to justify his actions I have documented in 439.

[jasonT1981]

what do you mean gut not enough. gut is enough. i have almost no gut reads, this is like a real gut read. if you dont believe me, you can lynch me then scott bro tommorrow

as your previous post, i was threatening to claim a guilty on scott bro but i cant do that now can i = =

So, you would fake a guilty on someone who you do not know about to secure a lynch just because of your gut? Do you see why this IS NOT town play?

gut is unacceptable. I want reasons as to why Scott is scum, actual evediance. Until you come up with solid quotes and reasons as proof shut the frack up. We are not lynching Scott.. got it?

[jasonT1981]

Also, you could have outted a real seer you moron

[jasonT1981]

so the point still remains, you were going to fake a guilty on someone just to assure a lynch? can you see the problem?

ok, you say you cant post on scott.. but can on his predecessor.. Eriynes... can you do that to show me what I am missing please.

Also, can you show me Scott buddying? what I am asking should not be that hard, should it?

[jasonT1981]

yea, your probably right.. i just like to try and make him accountable for his actions.. you would think he would have learnt by now.

[jasonT1981]

- How do you think you played D1?

2 -- I never look back. Too depressing.

@DavidP: I was having trouble choosing between the three scummiest of the scummy.

Also, Day One sucks. Day Two is here now, and will be better.

heh heh,... Day 1 sucked and was depressing.. well maybe for you

drmyshottyizsik,

Werewolf

, Lynched Day 1.

we hit warewolf so it was good for us... why would D1 have been bad and depressing for

you

hmmmm theories anyone??

unvote
vote:SV

[jasonT1981]

Park... any reasons why you are ignoring the points I have brought up and asked you to address? thats twice now you came on, said little and left.

unvote
vote: Park

[jasonT1981]

@Iamusername - Okay....? First tell us why it is ME who is "mafia". Not werewolf but Mafia you say? Why?

The same has been asked about you, and you continue to ignore it... only warewolf instead of mafia in your case. Come back and address the issues, Park.

[jasonT1981]

I like the above linked Post... Park, come back and answer all outstanding issues please!

[jasonT1981]

quick check in.. Yes, I was on the Shotty wagon early I truely beleived he was scummy. As I showed I had meta suggesting he was not playing town (the link to the game with Me, Shotty, Andrew where Andrew was donig the same thing but Shotty reacted differently)

I agree with the above.. Despite what you say about Andrew and his gameplay his reads are actually pretty accurate. Still not ruling out Andrew being Scum/warewolf due to possible bussing. HOWEVER I do feel Andrew is town.DP's hammer was gery quick and without substance almost like trying to gain favor with town due to hammering scum. Bussing maybe?

Just doing your town-hunting for you since you guys are hopeless.

no, no no.. we SCUM HUNT.,.... Not TOWN HUNT.. why would you want to town hunt? fish for roles maybe? Scum much?

vote:DP

[jasonT1981]

fish for roles maybe?

Yo you in the full swing of things yet? All of town is vanilla >.>

Oh blah, thats the second game this week ive made that mistake in.

[jasonT1981]

I'm expecting a scum flip, i think jason or Later is a werewolf.

Right now,

we should be looking at who tried to derail

the shotty wagon or

didn't want a shotty lynch

because having your werewolf buddy lynched day 1 with a seer in the game is never a good idea

so I doubt he was bussed.

drmyshottyizsik (7) -silverbullet999,

jasonT1981, OpposedForce,

chkflip, Shattered Viewpoint, parknourie, DavidParker [Lynched.]

You've slipped

haha wow... yes indeed that is a slip.

[jasonT1981]

its not a flip...I still think your wanting a lynch on gut alone is rubbish. but I do have to give it to you your read was pretty good. Still not ruling out bussing though.

[jasonT1981]

no, I said I would not lynch on your gut alone and I would need evidence to support he was scum. If the evidence was there I would have voted but you failed to bring anything other than gut. And I don't lynch people on gut

[jasonT1981]

off course he aint looking for scum, he has already said he is town hunting

[jasonT1981]

^DP needs to vote in his next post Asap. SV is still more probable werewolf because of the not liking day 1 comment.

good point I completly forgot about that

[jasonT1981]

hmmm I still like DP as sum also.. but both are picks for scum/wolf. Lynch SV today, DP tomorrow? Im down for that

unvote
vote:Shattered Viewpoint

-1 I believe

[jasonT1981]

hmmm I still like DP as sum also.. but both are picks for scum/wolf. Lynch SV today, DP tomorrow? Im down for that

unvote
vote:Shattered Viewpoint

-1 I believe

I like DP for scum/Wolf that meanto to say.

[jasonT1981]

1 Quick Question

1. How did you forget about that? That's like, the major reason for lynching park yesterday.

It was 3am my time, at time of posting... thats why lol

[jasonT1981]

Who do I think is scum? I Haven't actually got a strong opinion on that. I'm VERY sure SV is the remaining werewolf but as for scum,

I admit to not actively looking into who is a likely candidate at the time being.

There's a few people I have strong town reads on, so the remaining would all be people I would look at.

Bolded is damning I feel

[jasonT1981]

im pretty sure shattered viewpoint cant be the mafia, but he could still be the wolf

Regardless, we need to take out both wolves and scum for us to win.. SV is not town regardless of what alignment he maybe (Scum/wolf) and needs lynched

[jasonT1981]

or hope they rip each other apart (pun intended) like last night

[jasonT1981]

damn you sb. damn you! i was lookin forward to playing with you.

SV/park/

andrew

are my choices right now in that order.

VERY Next post

I agree, there are many people I would rather lynch than Andrew.

He's probably not my third choice as a lynch target, since I actually think he's town

despite his "fake" v/la.

SV then park are my 2 top picks, but they are the obvious picks/lynches.

and the next post after that

have we not estabilished

it's best to just ignore andrew?

there may be a case there for erineyes/scott but

andrew is just a nuisance.

in three posts... 3 different views... then this blinder.. he was expected people to see him as OBV town....but he KNEW he was gonna flip scum... then goes into WIFOM with the pushing of lynches.

because we can discuss today or later.

he was gonna flip scum anyways

.

i'm not sure how all those people have been listed as obv town, i was expecting people to call me obv town when day 1 both myself and guthrie pushed hard for scott's lynch.

Not to mention i pushed hard for shotty's lynch as well. Bussing your werewolf on day 1 when there is a seer in the game to out werewolves seems like a terrible plan.

Note scum not wolf... interesting then talks about

pushing Shotty lynch TO BUS!!!

now these two.. seems to try and confirm himself as non wolf... would you not want to be confirmed town though...

I just iso'd myself (to remind myself of my earlier views and vote movement), and see no reason as to how I'm either werewolf or scum.

basically confirms me as non-wolf. If i was his wolf buddy the logical move here would be to attack SB for his bussing and tunneling with no reasoning. Instead I just quote it (implying my agreement). How anyone thinks i'm a wolf is beyond me, except for andrew because he is actually on the far lower end of the IQ scale.

There's "slightly" more reasoning to me being mafia, but it would still involve me busing BOTH my scum buddies. I only got off their back to vote for shotty or SV (who i still think is shotty's wolf buddy)

now this

Just doing your town-hunting for you since you guys are hopeless.

As I already said, we scumhunt.. not town hunt

[jasonT1981]

im pretty sure shattered viewpoint cant be the mafia, but he could still be the wolf

Regardless, we need to take out both wolves and scum for us to win.. SV is not town regardless of what alignment he maybe (Scum/wolf) and needs lynched

Please to tell me why I'm so Not Town. Thanks!

Sure, I already have but lets rehash.. lets start with this

- How do you think you played D1?

2 -- I never look back. Too depressing.

@DavidP: I was having trouble choosing between the three scummiest of the scummy.

Also, Day One sucks. Day Two is here now, and will be better.

heh heh,... Day 1 sucked and was depressing.. well maybe for you

drmyshottyizsik,

Werewolf

, Lynched Day 1.

we hit warewolf so it was good for us... why would D1 have been bad and depressing for

you

hmmmm theories anyone??

unvote
vote:SV

then we have this little doozie

Erinyes was scum by virtue of huggling me. I DO NOT LIKE BEING TOUCHED. Scum always know this.

ScottBro replaced in for Erinyes, and therefore, Scott Bro is also scum.

Case closed, yes?

Wait.. really this is the case??

then this blinder of a reasoning to defend his vote

It's all I've got.

then note the defence of Shotty here..

played with him a few times, note the game i linked Shotty was town and did not go after Andrew even though he was playing this exact same way... Scum did however I was scum in that game... now Shotty is going after Andrew for similar things that scum went after him for in the last game yet Shotty didn't as town.

therefor I believe Shotty is scum

Okay, see, I can understand (slightly) how you could potentially persuade yourself that this has some little tiny bits of logic-ness inside of it, but I really, really don't follow the leap from A to B to Banana. And then the last major leap over into "Shotty is scum because the Eiffel Tower is still standing."

Help me?

Also, have you any reasoning to you thinking I am wolf? you have said it but provided no reasons... not even for your vote well actuially this is the only reason you have on me

As promised:

mafia: andrew, parknourie, ScottBro

Werewolf: jason

Reasons: andrew & park are just too scummy, if I really have to explain why, then you're the VI. Scottbro is not playing to his town meta.

jason is being far too analytical for his normal town play; and he voted shotty very early (perhaps to distance himself for later).

Any other reasoning? also, what do you feel about the case on DP? who you have said little to nothing on... so yes, please give me reasons you think I am wolf?

[jasonT1981]

Also, I voted Shotty early as I had meta to suggest he was not playing as town. I believe I linked my reasoning to this game as well so that rules out your distancing thing as i was the one who STARTED the whole case on Shotty with my link to him as town reacting differently to Andrew than he did in this game.

[jasonT1981]

From smashbro's #543 (which I've already dealt with), forward:

^DP needs to vote in his next post Asap. SV is still more probable werewolf because of the not liking day 1 comment.

Please connect for me how not liking Day One makes me a werewolf. Seriously, that's like claiming I'm scum because bananas. WTF?

Al-right lets ask the million pound question.. WHY did you not like day 1? it was pretty good for town wasn't it?

Lets see

Warewolf lynch day 1
SV - I don't like how D1 went

see the A to B connection there? need a pencil to join the dots maybe?

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, dont hammer just yet please..I think SV really needs to answer why he didnt like day 1 before we hang him

[jasonT1981]

And while all this is going on... SV has once again gone into hiding

[jasonT1981]

pfft breakfast... don't eat it due to usually only going to bed at 7am. Damn America and their great sports and being on at weird early morning UK times

[jasonT1981]

OK hammer now please!

[jasonT1981]

Well given he was my other choice yesterday.

vote:DP

[jasonT1981]

I would be interested in looking at Smash Bro, but would invite Andrew to actually put out a case on why he thinks Smash is scum due to an ISO read

[jasonT1981]

Another reason I think DP is scum is this

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 69&start=0

He replaces Guth in this game... the only other time I knew Guth to replace out was when he was scum in the above game

[jasonT1981]

Andrew, DP > smash

Being wrong doesn't equal mafia.

Exactly, Andrew you see how stupid your plan is? Lynching you for being wrong on Smash is not a town thing to do... yes, you got it right.... but you really expect us to lynch with no evedience?

Honestly, we got lucky with Scott as the wolves got him, not town based scum hunting and evedience against him.... if they had not we would be sitting here unwilling to lynch him without evedience no matter how many times you say 'trust me'

Off course, if you are bussing your partner, just tell us and make it easier for us

[jasonT1981]

lynch order:

andrew94
smashbro
maybe dp

game ends

I don't understand why you are offering yourself for lynch.. if you are truely town, or at least are town wanting to help town you would be giving us cases as to why we should lynch Smash and not say 'trust me, I got it right before'

[jasonT1981]

HAHA Scratch the bussing... I posted that before midday... I should not even have been awake!

[jasonT1981]

You are right. I did see no reason to lynch Scott. The only thing on him was Andrew's gut.. you really expect a lynch on that.

I did claim those pushing Andrew were scum... I followed up with meta evedience on Shotty who was pushing Andrew and we lynched him with a scum flip.

I believed both Shotty and Park were scum or wolf.. thats why after Shotty hammer was dropped i proceed to draw up my case on Park, just because the hammer had dropped did not mean I had to stop looking for scum/wolf

Show me where I said I would stop bussing.. I never uttered words like that.

I voted SV for being obivious wolf because he was obvious wolf.. whats your point, he flipped wolf... SV game himself away with his 'not good for me' comment about day 1

I still was not happy with Park however we can only lynch one person per day. I can have more than one suspect for scum/wolf however I can only have one vote in a lynch. See the problem I have there? If I had two votes they would have been on Park and SV.. however I believed SV to be wolf, a higher priority lynch than scum as Wolf can kill in night.. Mafia goon can not. therefore we needed to take out the remaining wolf first.

[jasonT1981]

i want a perfect game, so please lynch smashbros first

Certainly, On one small condition. Your case please, sir.

[jasonT1981]

And you wonder why town wants your lynch when you show no effort to help them. if you are truly town you would not be self voting. Defeated scum me thinks

[jasonT1981]

go ahead and hammer. His self vote seals his fate

[jasonT1981]

provide a case then

[jasonT1981]

I will vote/not vote SB through a case.. nothing else. If he happens to be in the final 3.. make a case. if not.. make a case for him not to be.

Answer me this right now.. WHY should i vote him... if the answer is anything but a case... then I and others won't listen to you.

[jasonT1981]

CHK deff needs to post more content.. did a quick ISO and majority.. not all but most posts are 1/2 liners.

[jasonT1981]

I don't really have the time to do a full post atm, sorry. Geting everything ready for Christmas and doing food shopping soon.

[jasonT1981]

Also, we have to decide what we would rather do, lynch who we believe to be mafia or werewolf. Originally,

I wanted to say mafia next, giving the werewolf a chance to take out some mafia. But if we leave the werewolf around,

we could be losing obv town players at night instead of mafia. In this situation, it would be better to get rid of the werewolf and then only lynch people who are scummier, rather than losing an obv town player. It all comes down to who we think the Werewolf will kill. What do you guys think? I don't mind going for a Werewolf at this point.

bolded is wow!!! would you not want to take warewolf out instead since mafia cant kill and wolf can?

vote:Smash

[jasonT1981]

YAY! Great game for towjn again Lat is MVP 2 games in a row... id rather have him on my side