Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)

[Hinduragi]

1) I had a town read on Nicol from our QT. The only reason I doubted Charlie was because of what Xite said. The NK on the town-read I had that Charlie thought was scum died last night.

2) Town can use poor reasoning; I've seen them use it. For example, when I voted you based on what Xite said. Although that had a different motive from a normal vote, it was implied to each of you as poor reasoning.

[VasudeVa]

Thread needs more dead Hinduragi.

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1. Charlie is town
2. Andy told me that, if he dies, VV is probably scum. Though I'm not aware of who he told this to so scum may've killed Andy on purpose to frame VV. Largely null tell read here. VV's reaction to that list doesn't help this much.
3. The scumteam is in Parama/VV/Vollkan.

1. How the hell did you come up with that from the NK/whatever?
2. Interesting. First off, that list is surprisingly vague. Multiple braincells were sacrificed and I still didn't understand it. Now, you're telling me that my reaction to your vague list is...bad? Secondly: Of course, Andy wouldn't say that to me(He didn't, for clarifications sake). But I'm curious about the other QTs Andy had. --@Parama: Did Andy say anything of the sort? You're the only other person in QTs with Andy.
3. No. First off, I had no absofuckin reason to kill Andy. If I was scum, I would have buddied Andy for FAR TOO LONG in the damn game and had manipulated him into mislynching Twomz....only to kill him off NOW, at LyLo? Does not compute. Me-scum would have kept Andy, told him to vote Town in our QT and then I'd have me and my buddy hammer for the win. Cry WIFOM all you like, but the advantages of keeping Andy along for me-scum are too good for my supposed faction.

[Hinduragi]

Only if your win condition involves mafia outnumbering town.

1.

Note that the above three are my lynch choices. I told Charlie the scumteam had to be VV/Andy or him/vollkan as well in my QT. Killing Andy would basically mean I'd go after him/vollkan. Also, his one scumread on my town-read was NK'd, meaning he had to go for a person I thought to be scum today. In light of this, I don't think Charlie is scum.

2. Yes, you voted me in LyLo based on a list you thought I stole from Twomz. Town voting in LyLo that fast without thinking it through = does not compute.
3. And this is why I didn't say "Yo, VV is def-scum, time for him to die". I also want to know if Andy told anyone else this in a QT.

[VasudeVa]

2. Yes, you voted me in LyLo based on a list you thought I stole from Twomz. Town voting in LyLo that fast without thinking it through = does not compute.

Not really. I had a bigger post before that outlining my suspicions on your slot. I was already threatening the vote.You stole Twomz' case. (Well, actually you are, but it wasn't as grand as I thought it was, since it's public and all.). I saw that you are still a parroty-ass black person who I still suspect and that sealed the deal. I have no reason to withhold my vote, since I can't see anyone else flipping scum at this moment. Your scumflip will be very illuminating.

[Hinduragi]

First off, I'm white. Second, I didn't steal his case. He just put together who everyone wanted lynched yesterday into a list. That's the only thing I used. I could've made it myself, yeah, but it was already done, so there wasn't much need. By that, you mean you have no other suspects of who you think to be scum? After 66 pages... on Day 6?

[Parama]

Andy said last night that if I wasn't scum, then it's Hindu and vollkan... or maybe Charlie. Not a thing about VV.

After 66 pages... on Day 6?

doooooom

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Hinduragi (1) - VasudeVa
Charlie (1) - Parama

Not Voting (3) - Hinduragi, Charlie, vollkan

[Charlie]

VasudeVa, I don't think Hinduragi is mafia. Mainly because I cannot ignore the fact that Parama and Vollkan are alive after some serious shenanigans D1. A near lynch on Parama's slot and a seemingly pro-town Vollkan with lots of so-called goodposting in there makes me very suspicious about them both. Vollkan's later play has not been on par, this makes me think it was intentional. But based on what has happened so far, I conclude that Parama has most probably took a quick vote in LyLo, hoping that someone would follow and his buddy (probably Vollkan) hammers.

In short: Parama + Vollkan mafia. Null leaning Town on Hinduragi + VasudeVa.

[Parama]

I'm town waiting for two more town votes on scum, actually.

[vollkan]

3. No. First off, I had no absofuckin reason to kill Andy. If I was scum, I would have buddied Andy for FAR TOO LONG in the damn game and had manipulated him into mislynching Twomz....only to kill him off NOW, at LyLo? Does not compute. Me-scum would have kept Andy, told him to vote Town in our QT and then I'd have me and my buddy hammer for the win. Cry WIFOM all you like, but the advantages of keeping Andy along for me-scum are too good for my supposed faction.

The WIFOM is bad enough, but it's worse that you are drawing a false equivalence between one relatively minor motivation you may have had not to kill Andy and the motivations of your hypothetical scumpair as a whole

VasudeVa, I don't think Hinduragi is mafia. Mainly because I cannot ignore the fact that Parama and Vollkan are alive after some serious shenanigans D1. A near lynch on Parama's slot and a seemingly pro-town Vollkan with lots of so-called goodposting in there makes me very suspicious about them both. Vollkan's later play has not been on par, this makes me think it was intentional. But based on what has happened so far, I conclude that Parama has most probably took a quick vote in LyLo, hoping that someone would follow and his buddy (probably Vollkan) hammers.

So your reasons for suspecting me are:
1. That I wasn't NKed D1 (WIFOM); and
2. That you think I've been deliberately playing subpar to frustrate the above (Conspiracy)

[Charlie]

Hm, yes. I asked myself "Why is Vollkan still alive?"

[vollkan]

Hm, yes. I asked myself "Why is Vollkan still alive?"

Righto then.

Could you then explain the following:
1) Why your first reason for suspecting me (that I haven't been NKed) isn't complete WIFOM?
2) How exactly it is that my play has deteriorated and why "vollkan is scum trying to play badly in order that we don't question why he hasn't been killed" is the most likely explanation for said deterioration? (It may be relevant for you to know that this game started in July which is my mid-year holiday and, from mid-August onwards, I've been back at uni/work, which basically slashes my time commitment to mafia.)

[LlamaFluff]

Hinduragi and VasudeVa prodded.

Deadline is still October 21st.

[Charlie]

1) C'mon, its not totally WIFOM. And I personally believe that it is valid.
2) It shows inconsistency, and I'm pinning that as intentional. Mafia aside, it would be good for me to have a lawyer friend. Would you be my friend?

[vollkan]

1) C'mon, its not totally WIFOM.

It is.

You can't seriously think that "hey, Vollkan is a good player but he is also under suspicion; so maybe if we don't kill him he fall under heavier suspicion" isn't a strategy that would be obvious to any half-decent scum.

And I personally believe that it is valid.

*sigh* I really hope you are just trolling me

2) It shows inconsistency, and I'm pinning that as intentional.

First, you haven't pointed to a shred of evidence indicating that my play has actually declined in any meaningful sense.

Second, how on earth does it show inconsistency? My play changing in response to RL cirucmstances is completely legitimate. You're seriosuly grasping at straws if you think it amounts to inconsistency.

Would you be my friend?

No.

[Charlie]

No.

[vollkan]

Way to respond to the most important issues in my post

[Charlie]

The game has slowed down to the point that small talk becomes relevant again for discussion.

[Parama]

I have nothing else to say other than Charlie needs a noose.
vollkan, why are you not voting Charlie?

[vollkan]

The game has slowed down to the point that small talk becomes relevant again for discussion.

No it hasn't

And even if it had, that still wouldn't justify your ignoring my questions twice now.

vollkan, why are you not voting Charlie?

LYLO paranoia.

If he doesn't answer my questions, though, he can expect my vote. It's bad enough that his reasoning on me is crap, and that he won't even try to defend it, but in the context of LYLO it is just ridiculous.

[Parama]

LYLO paranoia.

*refusal to bus

If he doesn't answer my questions, though, he can expect my vote. It's bad enough that his reasoning on me is crap, and that he won't even try to defend it, but in the context of LYLO it is just ridiculous.

*threat that's incredibly easy to back out of

[VasudeVa]

Hinduragi still needs to die. Can people please explain to me why Hinduragi isn't dead yet? /shameless prod post.

(I'll go over shit when I'm done with some IRL issues. Be posting this in my games.)

[Charlie]

I'm not interested in answering your questions because we're dealing with two very different playstyles (like comparing apples and oranges). I'm playing by gut, Vollkan's playing by logic. There will be gaps in reasoning.

But for the sake of it, I shall respond anyway:

No it hasn't

And even if it had, that still wouldn't justify your ignoring my questions twice now.

Who are you to dictate these sort of things?

It is.

You can't seriously think that "hey, Vollkan is a good player but he is also under suspicion; so maybe if we don't kill him he fall under heavier suspicion" isn't a strategy that would be obvious to any half-decent scum.

Why not, who are you to dictate... wait... déjà vu.

*sigh* I really hope you are just trolling me

I can't respond to this.

First, you haven't pointed to a shred of evidence indicating that my play has actually declined in any meaningful sense.

Second, how on earth does it show inconsistency? My play changing in response to RL cirucmstances is completely legitimate. You're seriosuly grasping at straws if you think it amounts to inconsistency.

Sure thing. Simply read your posts D1 and compare it in terms of volume, to D2. Content-wise, is kinda subjective.
I'm not doubting RL circumstances; I didn't even imply the idea.
Straws are arbitrary.

[Parama]

Vollkan, answer this: Do you think Charlie is scum?

[Hinduragi]

Vollkan, you mentioned you QT'd me but you want me to die today. Why QT me if you're going to attempt to kill me anyways?