The Lord of the Rings Mafia - GAME OVER (KABOOM)

[inHimshallibe]

BTW

unvote
vote: WeirdRa

Posting in other game, brb.

[Bilbo Baggins]

molestargazer has requested replacement. I'll be hitting up the replacement list now.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki is scum!

Evidence #1:

Attacks on Wraith.
This is the biggest reason I suspect her. Her attacks on Wraith are staged. She doesn't really believe that Wraith is scum(because, you know. She's scum and she has to fake attack townies to look like she's scumhunting). I mean, srsly

She went from this:

OR, IF YOU DON'T START BUSSING NOW, YOU TOO WILL GET ROPE.

I totally forgot to add you onto my scum list for trying to duck out of stuff... = = (Were on my list last night)

To this:

Well, I'm not against the bandwagoning. I wouldn't give you flak for that.

in 40 mins! Double standards much? If she really thought that Wraith was scum, she wouldn't give him this advice. Of course, an explanation for this is that she may be looking for connections. But I don't think so. I've only ever played with Katsuki once (She was my scumqueen in that game), and she strikes me as an aggressive player who would want to lynch as soon as possible. That theory does not fit with her personality.

This case is entirely misrep. How is it double standards, when both the posts are in response to wraith and are along the same train of thought? Please do not take my posts out of context.

The conversation went roughly as such:
Kat: WRAITH, VOTE X
Wraith: OH NOEEEEEE YOU GUYS GONNA CALL ME SCUM IF I VOTE. /WOEISME
Kat:

I

at least won't (I am the one saying to vote).


VV Case #2 is just as ridic, will get to that when I have time.

[gandalf5166]

I'm decently certain Drippereth is scum.

What makes you certain? I have a neutral reading at the moment, leaning town.

DGB's posts especially come across as someone who isn't really trying, just going through the motions. Her suspicions are very run-of-the-mill, and she seems to be making a concerted effort not to draw anyone's ire.

What really seals the deal for me is that in the same post where I said they were starting to look like scum, DGB quoted and commented on another part of the post and completely, 100% ignored my voiced suspicion of her, which is

VERY

unlike DGB-town.

I said somethingto this effect a while ago, minus all the analysis.

[Dekes]

Hey everyone, I'm replacing molestargazer.

Hai Lost/Castlevania guys...again >_>

Reading up/taking notes tonight but don't expect a post before tomorrow.

Unvote

[Bilbo Baggins]

Dekes replaces molestargazer, effective immediately.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Mod

, just out of curiosity, does Dekes' unvote in #729 count?

[Bilbo Baggins]

Mod

, just out of curiosity, does Dekes' unvote in #729 count?

We don't require players to unvote before voting again, so it shouldn't matter unless there's another votecount before Dekes posts again.

BUT, it will count if there is a votecount because he had his Role PM and was informed, I was just slow in posting his arrival.

[MemoriaEsponia]

Welcome to the game Dekes!

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@Gandalf5166: One of the main reasons why people considered Wraith scum (Lack of scum hunting) has been demolish by Wraith's recent contributation to help the town find scums. Do you still think he's the best lynch for today?

@VasudeVa (#720): Interested in knowing why you would deliberately leave Mariyta off the list. Why is it that you're trying to persuade Glork/SpyreX/Edge, but not Mariyta? If you want scum lynch, you want to convince everyone that the person needs to die.

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This made me LOL. I think we have our lynch candidate for tomorrow if we don't have a vig to help us out tonight.

This gives me bad vibes. I do agree that zwetchenwasser will be a burden on the town if he keeps playing this way, but zwetchenwasser is a very difficult person to read and it could be just him exhibiting more of his VIness. It looks way too much of a policy/easy lynch to me to be comfortable with lynching him as opposed to just vigging him tonight so we won't have to deal with him.

Indeed. Wich is why I believe Kat took VV and possibly Wraith off her list. Yes upon Kat scum flip we should deffiantly look at interactions but it would be dangerous to only look at her list/interactions 'cause we don't know that they are listed/had interactions with her. We will revisit this after flip.

I can see where you are coming from, although I never did say we should only look at who Katsuki interacted with/the list, but that Katsuki's interactions with other people/Katsuki's list would give us the most information on Katsuki's scumbuddy if Katsuki flips scum.

I do not believe this is a contradiction. I did not change my original assumption that it feels like/looks like chainsaw. The way I interpreted Glork's post was that he was saying that I was premature in calling chainsaw.

Again, I can see where you are coming from, although you saying that even if Katsuki flipped scum that it might not be a chainsaw defense looks if you weren't confident in your statement.

Your other head is voting Kat. How does this head feel about Kat?

I agree with my other head that Katsuki is the best lynch for today, although my suspicion gap on Katsuki and others are narrower compared to my other head.

P.S. 30 page Day 1's are anti-town.

Disagree with this. While thirty pages is certainly an active Day 1, we also got a lot of information out of it and more things to be able to properly analyze people's contents in the game and if the player resembles a scum or a townie.

LMP is scum, but so is Gandalf. Gandalf makes a slip. LMP just plays obvscum. You lynch slips first.

So you're saying that if a "slip" were to occur, you expect that person to be top suspect on many people's list soon after? For me to switch to a person due to a slip, it depends on the severity of the slip and if the player has been playing scummy previously. If I think that person stands a good chance of flipping scum due to his behavior and that the slip is damning enough that it would most likely come out of a Mafia member, then I would happily switch my vote over. However, I don't believe a "slip" should automatically mean a vote. I won't switch my vote immediately to a person who I thought was town who made a slip that could be based off a commonplace in Mafia games, not exact information that only scums could know themselves.

And I thought about it for a few days and I have to agree with Glork, gandalf5166's slips isn't convincing enough to gain my vote on.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, because Wraith started sccumhunting in the last few pages, he's now town? You realize that you just admitted he didn't scumhunt at all for the first TWENTY-FIVE PAGES, right? There's too many scum around here. I just can't vote them all.

[MemoriaEsponia]

Wait, because Wraith started sccumhunting in the last few pages, he's now town? You realize that you just admitted he didn't scumhunt at all for the first TWENTY-FIVE PAGES, right? There's too many scum around here. I just can't vote them all.

I'm not saying that Wraith's relatively pro-town behavior recently completely cleans him of the things he's done and his mostly lack of scum hunting back then, I still look at past actions that people do and they still matter in terms of scum hunting and evidence supporting that a person is scum.

As for your second argument, when did I admit to saying Wraith has not scum hunted for the first twenty-five pages? By recent, I am saying he started to scum hunt in ISO #49, which was on September 30, 2010, page 18. While he did start out bad, his play has improved from there. So it's not just like he had one good real-life day and I said "He's scum hunting!".

[Drippereth]

I'M NOT GLORK.

Obviously. No one is suggesting you're Glrok.

P.S. 30 page Day 1's are anti-town.

Touche

[Drippereth]

K this is what I got so far. Figuring out the other side.

SCUMZ
Lynchme
Zwet*
rewq
Nero

People Left(Not done reading isos here yet..)
WeirdRa (Me=Weird/AGar hydra)
gandalf5166
VasudeVa
Katsuki
Mariyta
SpyreX
molestargazer
SlySly
jenniwren
Locke Lamora

[Bilbo Baggins]

DEADLINE for Day 1 will be Saturday October 9th at 10 pm Eastern Time.

Day 1 Vote Count 09

gandalf5166

- 5 - Katsuki, WeirdRa, Drippereth, SlySly, Katy

Mariyta

- 1 - bv310

Wraith

- 1 - gandalf5166

Nero Cain

- 2 - jenniwren, Locke Lamora

Katsuki

- 5 - VasudeVa, Nero Cain, MemoriaEsponia, Wraith, LynchMePls

WeirdRa

- 6 - Mariyta, Edge, Glork, SpyreX, Cogito Ergo Sum, inHimshallibe

rewq4

- 1 - zwetschenwasser

Not Voting

- 3 - a2rudeboy, rewq455, Dekes

Twenty four stand gathered, Thirteen votes will lynch.

[Wraith]

Shit. Can we please decide on a lynch for today, and soon?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Then switch your vote to WeirdAnubis!

[VasudeVa]

Vote: WeirdRa

Scumgoddess Katsuki gets to live another day, it seems. This makes me sad. Although dead eccentric Egyptian sungod is good too.

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@Katsuki: Why haven't you deflected my attack #2 when it is the weaker of my points against you? What do you mean I'm pro-town when I'm scum? I seem to remember that in our game, I was the most horrible fencesitter in the entire game, I didn't have my vote intent on lynching for two phases in a row. (You even complained that on our QT.). Here, I want you dead. What do you think of this difference?

@MemoriaEscumnia: I left Mariyta out because I'm waiting on her to react. 8D. Mariytaa, where are yoouuuuu~ React react!

[Mariyta]

@MemoriaEscumnia: I left Mariyta out because I'm waiting on her to react. 8D. Mariytaa, where are yoouuuuu~ React react!

React to what? You posted that AFTER I posted that my vote was on Weird and wouldn't move. I assumed you saw that and didn't bother with me. Or maybe you would prefer...

ZOMG!!!!! WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME??!?!??!?!? YOU MUST BE SCUM!!!!!!!!!

[LimMePls]

Shit. Can we please decide on a lynch for today, and soon?

We have, it's WeirdRa. Get onboard.

[Wraith]

Meh, I'm better with this deadline wagon than I've been with others in other games. But I much prefer a Katsuki lynch to a WierdRa lynch at this point.

Unvote Vote: WierdRa

[LimMePls]

Hmm, I thought I was on WeirdRa.

Unvote
Vote: WeirdRa

[zwetschenwasser]

Drip explain why the * is there.

[inHimshallibe]

Drip explain why the * is there.

Explain why you aren't voting WeirdRa.

Actually, I'd like everyone not voting WeirdRa to tell me why they aren't.

[Glork]

WeirdRa should probably claim right about now.

[Wraith]

Drip explain why the * is there.

Explain why you aren't voting WeirdRa.

Actually, I'd like everyone not voting WeirdRa to tell me why they aren't.

Wouldn't the better question be: Why are the people on the WierdRa wagon voting WierdRa?