The Lord of the Rings Mafia - GAME OVER (KABOOM)

[MemoriaEsponia]

@zwetchenwasser: Do you realize that you just totally skipped Glork's #623? If you aren't going to answer his question, explain to us why you are refusing to do so. Instead, we get this:

Katsuki has failed to take an actual stance on me

This post looks like you're worried about how people perceive you instead of worrying about finding scums. Why do you think it matters what people think of you?

Can we lynch him? I mean, really. I know he's a great vig target but lynching scum is good, too.

Yet you place no vote on zwetchenwasser. If you aren't going to vote him despite showing desire to lynch him today, then I see no purpose of this quote.

[Glork]

Ohh and FTR:

gandalf5166 - 8 - zwetschenwasser, Cogito Ergo Sum, Katsuki, SpyreX, WeirdRa, Drippereth, SlySly, Katy

This list if Gandalf is scum?

COVERED IN IT.

Under the 2 scum groups being true theory there's probably 3-4 scum in that set.

This is ABSOLUTELY true if Weird is other team scum.

I'd argue that even if Gandalf is town, there's at least 2-3 scums on that wagon.

On a semi-related note, Drippereth looks like scum.

@Kats: I honestly really can't decide on Gandalf. My knee-jerk reaction was "HURR DURR SLIP," and I still think that's very possible, but if Fate says that Gandalf is legit, I feel significantly less confident about it.

I'd probably be willing to switch to Gandalf if we can't get Weird lynched today, but I'm happier with a Weirdlynch, because he looks like he's probably scum regardless of the Gandalf situation.

[SpyreX]

I'd argue that even if Gandalf is town, there's at least 2-3 scums on that wagon.

I concur. I think that if he's scum that number is even higher though.

As in if Weird is scum and Gandalf is scum and they weren't scum together I could see firebombing everyone on there (OHH YES EVEN ME) with a super net gain.

[Drippereth]

Can we lynch him? I mean, really. I know he's a great vig target but lynching scum is good, too.

Yet you place no vote on zwetchenwasser. If you aren't going to vote him despite showing desire to lynch him today, then I see no purpose of this quote.

I believe I've explained earlier that Elli is in charge of the vote. So this half of the hydra will not be voting and/or unvoting.

Zwet better be dead by tomorrow night.

-DGB

[Drippereth]

I'd argue that even if Gandalf is town, there's at least 2-3 scums on that wagon.

I concur. I think that if he's scum that number is even higher though.

As in if Weird is scum and Gandalf is scum and they weren't scum together I could see firebombing everyone on there (OHH YES EVEN ME) with a super net gain.

It's the second time today that you speculate on the number of scum on the wagon.

I have this sinking feeling that you are scum spreading the WIFOM-manure a foot thick.

-DGB

[zwetschenwasser]

Gandalf meta case is the only part of the case on him that is bullshit. Also, I can't tell if rewq is being strange or not.

Who is most likely to be scum right now? Why?

Suppose I were to Dayvig that person right now, and they flipped as scum. Which player is most likely to be their scumbuddy. Why?

rewq555 is scum for pushing my lynch and then acting strange about it.

scumbuddy is likely drippereth, just cuz

[Drippereth]

...but if Fate says that Gandalf is legit, I feel significantly less confident about it.

You trust Fate's scumdar? I love Fate, but I have little faith in the accuracy of his instrument.

-DGB

[Mariyta]

Gandalf meta case is the only part of the case on him that is bullshit. Also, I can't tell if rewq is being strange or not.

Who is most likely to be scum right now? Why?

Suppose I were to Dayvig that person right now, and they flipped as scum. Which player is most likely to be their scumbuddy. Why?

rewq555 is scum for pushing my lynch and then acting strange about it.

scumbuddy is likely drippereth, just cuz

This made me LOL. I think we have our lynch candidate for tomorrow if we don't have a vig to help us out tonight.

[SpyreX]

It's the second time today that you speculate on the number of scum on the wagon.

I have this sinking feeling that you are scum spreading the WIFOM-manure a foot thick.

-DGB

What?

Ok, I love you but you're not making this any awesomer right now.

What do you think about Gandalf?
What do YOU think about that wagon?
What changes in said thought process dependent on his alignment?
(Bonus points: if he is scum, what does that mean about said 'slip').

[rewq455]

Gandalf meta case is the only part of the case on him that is bullshit. Also, I can't tell if rewq is being strange or not.

Who is most likely to be scum right now? Why?

Suppose I were to Dayvig that person right now, and they flipped as scum. Which player is most likely to be their scumbuddy. Why?

rewq555 is scum for pushing my lynch and then acting strange about it.

scumbuddy is likely drippereth, just cuz

Lol. You just chose the only people pushing for your lynch. Who besides us would you choose?

[rewq455]

I'd argue that even if Gandalf is town, there's at least 2-3 scums on that wagon.

I concur. I think that if he's scum that number is even higher though.

As in if Weird is scum and Gandalf is scum and they weren't scum together I could see firebombing everyone on there (OHH YES EVEN ME) with a super net gain.

Why would there be more scum on scum than on town?

[zwetschenwasser]

drippereth is pushing for my lynch?

Unvote; Vote: rewq

[Edge]

...but if Fate says that Gandalf is legit, I feel significantly less confident about it.

You trust Fate's scumdar? I love Fate, but I have little faith in the accuracy of his instrument.

-DGB

Hey dollface talk to Ellie BEFORE you sling mud like this.

For fucks sake.

[Edge]

Hey there.

Soo, I've been sick for a while and I'm still feeling down due to medication. Gimme a list of things to reply on to help me ease back into the game.

....

[Edge]

We're reaching the point where we're going to start consolidating reads before we post content again.

Wait, Reaper, what the fuck is this Mafia record in our sig?

>_>
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[Edge]

I'd argue that even if Gandalf is town, there's at least 2-3 scums on that wagon.

I concur. I think that if he's scum that number is even higher though.

As in if Weird is scum and Gandalf is scum and they weren't scum together I could see firebombing everyone on there (OHH YES EVEN ME) with a super net gain.

Why would there be more scum on scum than on town?

Why aren't you voting anyone?

And because I'm lazy:
What do you think about Gandalf?
What do YOU think about that wagon?
What changes in said thought process dependent on his alignment?
(Bonus points: if he is scum, what does that mean about said 'slip').

[Nero Cain]

Hypothetically, Kat flips scum and I guarantee you folks will say Oh lets look at her list. Did she put the scum members under the town tag? Are the scum members even listed? Its all a bunch of WIFOM.

Katsuki flipping scum would not be entirely WIFOM. We would be able to analyze Katsuki-scum town/scum list/etc. list and then look at the interaction Katsuki had with those players. That can be a great way to find scums, because it leads to connection between Katsuki-scum and other scums in the game.

Indeed. Wich is why I believe Kat took VV and possibly Wraith off her list. Yes upon Kat scum flip we should deffiantly look at interactions but it would be dangerous to only look at her list/interactions 'cause we don't know that they are listed/had interactions with her. We will revisit this after flip.

I've heard this before and for the most part I agree, its not really chainsaw until Kat flips scum and even then it might not be.

This quote is contradictory. You are saying that you mostly agree with what Glork said (That the chainsaw defense was a very inaccurate tell) and that even if Katsuki flipped scum, it may not be a chainsaw defense. Yet back in #598, you said that jenniwren's ISO #5 was the "definition of chainsaw defense". Any reason for the contradiction?

I do not believe this is a contradiction. I did not change my original assumption that it feels like/looks like chainsaw. The way I interpreted Glork's post was that he was saying that I was premature in calling chainsaw.

Your other head is voting Kat. How does this head feel about Kat?

I also don't build giant walls of analysis/cases, just to make that clear to you guys.

Mafia shouldn't be an essay writing contest imo.

Why not? If you feel strongly that player X is scum then how do you plan on convincing others that they are scum? Or do you just not care who gets lynched?

ACTUALLY, of those people with votes at the moment as per the below I'd be fine with all but Kat and Mari.

'cause they are your scum buddies?

[Katsuki]

Eh. VV is suppose to still be on the scum list. I knew I left someone off.

I also don't build giant walls of analysis/cases, just to make that clear to you guys.

Mafia shouldn't be an essay writing contest imo.

Why not? If you feel strongly that player X is scum then how do you plan on convincing others that they are scum? Or do you just not care who gets lynched?

Oh this is wonderful what you try to make of that statement.

It is something known as my playstyle. Nice try scumpainting it though.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Day 1 Vote Count 07

gandalf5166

- 6 - Cogito Ergo Sum, Katsuki, WeirdRa, Drippereth, SlySly, Katy

Haylen

- 1 - Haylen

Mariyta

- 2 - bv310, inHimshallibe

Wraith

- 2 - molestargazer, gandalf5166

Nero Cain

- 2 - jenniwren, Locke Lamora

Katsuki

- 4 - VasudeVa, Nero Cain, MemoriaEsponia, Wraith

WeirdRa

- 4 - Mariyta, Edge, Glork, LynchMePls, SpyreX,

rewq4

- 1 - zwetschenwasser

Not Voting

- 2 - a2rudeboy, rewq455

Twenty four stand gathered, Thirteen votes will lynch.

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[Katsuki]

I like how haylen is still voting for herself.

[Glork]

...but if Fate says that Gandalf is legit, I feel significantly less confident about it.

You trust Fate's scumdar? I love Fate, but I have little faith in the accuracy of his instrument.

-DGB

Mason shenanigans aside, he played quite solidly in SE3. As far as I can recall, that's the only time I've ever played with him. So yes.

DGB, how do you feel about Gandalf? How do you feel about the people who have been most adamant about lynching him? What about the people who have joined his wagon quietly?

[Glork]

I'm decently certain Drippereth is scum.

[Locke Lamora]

Mod: I'm moving house this week so I'm not going to have much time. V/LA until Friday.

[VasudeVa]

....

I don't suppose you ever get sick?

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Better late than never:

Katsuki is scum!

Evidence #1:

Attacks on Wraith.
This is the biggest reason I suspect her. Her attacks on Wraith are staged. She doesn't really believe that Wraith is scum(because, you know. She's scum and she has to fake attack townies to look like she's scumhunting). I mean, srsly

She went from this:

OR, IF YOU DON'T START BUSSING NOW, YOU TOO WILL GET ROPE.

I totally forgot to add you onto my scum list for trying to duck out of stuff... = = (Were on my list last night)

To this:

Well, I'm not against the bandwagoning. I wouldn't give you flak for that.

in 40 mins! Double standards much? If she really thought that Wraith was scum, she wouldn't give him this advice. Of course, an explanation for this is that she may be looking for connections. But I don't think so. I've only ever played with Katsuki once (She was my scumqueen in that game), and she strikes me as an aggressive player who would want to lynch as soon as possible. That theory does not fit with her personality.

Evidence #2:

Horribad scumlists.

TOWN:
Katsuki
Glork
LockeL
Jenniwen
Fate/Edge
Katy
CES
Dripperith

SCUM:
ME
Gandalf
LMP
Wraith
WeirdRa
Nero
VV

Parrot Parrot Parrot. It's easy to keep the illusion of scumhunting by suspecting the top suspects.

The only attack here that is truly hers is her attack on me and it's unsubstantiated. She persistently kept me on the scum list for bad flimsy reasons(unless you think that gut+meta is a good excuse(it isn't, and it's easy to fake.)). I theorize that the only reason she is keeping me on it so that she will not be accused of parroting.

Conclusion: Kat is scum, git off gandalf, vote for Katsuki.

[rewq455]

drippereth is pushing for my lynch?

Unvote; Vote: rewq

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