Newbie 1010 (Game Over)

[Spadille]

Lastly, /confirm
Sorry guys for the delay, now where was I?

[Spadille]

Oh yeah! I am here at this game!
When will the game start?

[Spadille]

Ok thanks, just wait for the mod then?

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I

Vote: Razgriz

for voting the mod

THE WRONG WAY

D:

[Spadille]

FoS: Random.Org

[Spadille]

Right! Just slept and the next day, we are out of RVS. And oh, an arguement.


Ups' questions:

I'd like to know the following from you:

1)What do you think of RVS in general?
2)Why haven't you voted yet?

RVS is a sacred thing to start an F11, nuff said.

I have voted, it's just Random.
Since we are out of RVS, already, I might as well

Unvote: Razgriz

Nevermind:

What do you think is the best way to start off an F11 (the setup we're playing)?

RVS.

How would you decide when to end RVS?
What if no one reacts to anything?
What would you say is the maximum number of votes a person can have?
How would one vote "randomly"?
random number generator, frivolous reasons, patterns, etc.

I decide to end the RVS when it already triggered a good arguement, and someone makes a wierd reaction.

If no one reacts to anything then it's time for a bandwagon not exceeding L-2.

When in RVS, L-3. When serious, L-1. When just creating a bandwagon, L-2.

It is random when it is random, I don't think this matters. Random is random. If it is not random, it is not random.

Neil1113:

And from previous games I've played, it's a Mafia's dream to confuse the town because then the town has no leg to stand on and the phase ends with "1 vote here, 1 vote there, 1 vote everywhere!" Does that make any sense?

It's not supposed to make sense, it's random. It's only scummy when it happens in the game's climax or somewhere near it.

Pick somebody who isn't contributing to the town, or somebody who isn't active right now and it'll seem like you're not losing much help. Rather if you lynched somebody who's been active or posting, then you lose an active contributer.

Are you suggesting to lynch early in game?

I'm not saying it's not a big deal to lose a townie

That's exactly what you are saying.

I'd rather lose someone who doesn't seem to be very active in the first place, then to lose Ups or Me (take it cocky if you want, I don't care)

Aha, that is suspicious.

FoS: Ups and Neil1113

I'm seeing an early team-up here.

I am open for any objections.

[Spadille]

Good Afternoon. That’s in our time, of course. I’ll start this long post.

Neil1113

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Meaning, with these boards your used to the play here. Therefore you know the game a little better, which doesn't mean I think your scum, but it means I shouldn't be completely oblivious to your posts either... just in case. I'm overzealous if anything. It's as if you're in a locked room with 7 people, lights go out, gun fires, person dies, lights come back on... do you look at the school teacher or the gun owner first? Now granted, this isn't the best picture painted but it's the idea that the gun person knows how to use a gun and probably has the ability to. Thus, you won't really accuse them because of their job or who they are, but you'd be wary of them because of their "experience."

Good reasoning, solid argument and clean thought. But I think you should look at the one who turned off the lights first.

I have no desire to argue with you

Any argument with a good subject is a healthy debate. This is important, especially in scum hunting.

You saw a team between us questioning each other?

Early in that part of the game, you and ups were the active players. Your point is not to pick those who are active, so I sensed something strange and a team-up which you might have planned (Mafia QuickTopic)

I'm confident that I'm a good contributer so too lose somebody like me in a game I was in, I'd be disappointed.

Yeah well, if you are scum then the town needs to get rid of you :/

I like myself

Lol, that made me laugh. In a positive way though.

Razgriz

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1. What is your mafia expeirence (IYHO)

I have played in two times in our forum, though it’s less serious than this. I have played 3 times in real life. And I am playing my first game here right now.

2. How do you feel about transition from RVS to seriousness(IE: How do you think it should be done)?

It should be done step by step; Step 1 being the reaction, Step 2 being the commotion and Step 3 being the discussion.

3. What do you do about people that bandwagon?

I question their reason and logic about joining the bandwagon. Joining a bandwagon just to whack off is pretty damn suspicious.

Nevermind: What if no one reacts to anything?

Well then it could be hard to grab some scumtells and lynch before deadline

I am disappointed with this answer. Instead of telling what will YOU do, you said what is the situation when this comes in hand.

Spadille-Getting a town read off of him. He is decently active and actively scumhunting and has made some good answers to the Q's out there. Also made a few good points. Not dropping any scumtells as far as I can see and is contributing to the game. Overall town read

Thank you.

Civil Scum

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But I know you are aware that a person who is very active and posting frequently can easily be a scum in sheeps clothing...

Exactly. It might be even an overzealous one or a town captain. It’s also the mafia’s goal to earn the town’s trust so that they can lead the herd of sheep into a cliff.

But, you've mentioned this preference of yours several times by now, in one way or another, and it makes me wonder if it isn't some sort of defensive thing, or aimed at self-preservation

In my theory, team preservation.

Silverbullet999

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I am disappointed on the way you answered nevermind’s question. Please try again, this time, seriously.

Ups

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Thanks for answering anyway.

Don’t mention it.

What is your reaction in my theory that You and Neil are the duo?

Chaim

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it's not a good idea to make townies lynch the IC so soon, unless you're scum...

Oh brother, unless the ICs are scum. They are dangerous for their enemy faction, whether town or anti-town.

Yoenit, Chaim and Nevermind: More quality in your posts please, thanks.

[Spadille]

Made it readable as possible

[Spadille]

Question: What is time is it there? (GMT)
Mine is GMT 8+

[Spadille]

Civil Scum, didn't you already read him as slight scum?

[Spadille]

OH I'm sorry, that was Razgriz. Carry on.

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Silverbullet999:

Yes almighty lord and master

Sarcastic much, aren’t you? I think you should know how to answer these questions properly as you, Silverbullet, is the game’s SE.

Ups:

neil called me out for lurking and for lack of content, and then hypocritically running back into the shadows with...

No, he didn’t lurk. He remained equally active. I'd say you're grasping at straws and accusing without any real evidence.

Neil1113:

What do you mean by this exactly?

It means you should look at the one who got problems, got issues, got something against the dead guy the day before the incident.

Let’s say Day 1, Guy 1 gets pressured by Guy 2. Guy 2 believes Guy 1 is scum and never let Guy 1 go. Then Guy 3 got lynched because of Guy 1 in Day 1. Night 1, Guy 2 got killed. Now would you look at the one with experience? This is a typical WIFOM. Remember, we don’t start at Night 1.

The whole "I'm right your wrong" theory usually comes back with a stalemate

Usually, but with harder evidence and solid proofs it cannot be a stalemate.

The point being, IF I was scum. Which I don't think I need to keep reiterating this point. But just in case, I'm not!

We don’t know that, don’t we? You can even be a cop, a doctor or a mafia. Don’t subtly claim yet.

Putting out the possibility of me being scum, then questioning me about it is not a theory. It's an accusation.

Theories can’t be proved without proper questioning and experiment. How would we know there is gravity if one wouldn’t try to drop an apple from a tower?

No. Be quiet Silver.

Oh yer, this is scummeh.

You're completely right on this one.

Meaning, Silver is right. You are a scum? If not, enlighten me please.

[Spadille]

I'll re-ANAL-ize the game and try to get some reads and some confirmations. I'll post a vote then.

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Don't expect it to be damn fast, I'm reviewing each and every detail of you and ups' argument and pretty much everyone's argument.

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Oh and don't mind if I'll "lurk" a little. I am just viewing each and every detail.

[Spadille]

What question?

[Spadille]

Oh.

What exactly besides the Never ever for when RVS to end made you so disappointed exactly.

I didn't feel you were serious in answering that, Razgriz told you this and you said he took it seriously. Why not right? So I asked you to this time, answer it seriously.
But I was still disappointed

[Spadille]

Sorry man, I can't finish this today. IRL getting in the way. I'll just give you what I started]


#26 – Neil1113

Also, Ups it seems like you're posting just to get your name out there so nobody can claim you're "lurking", though you bring no valuable information to the town either concerning yourself, or concerning anything you've seen. Granted, it's day 1 so I'm not too worried about this but you're also in my sights. I'd rather not lose this game to the mafia scum, and so I'll be keeping a close eye out on this game.

I have to say, this post also shook me as a pro-town. He accused Ups of not putting quality in his vote, in Random Voting Stage, and to just cancel the theory of the town that he is lurking.

And if I get killed day 1.... I'll be rather mad. But if Civil or Ups really is scum, it'd be a dead give a way (okay, maybe not OBVIOUS but pretty clear) that you're scum

I don’t understand this, what the fuck this does have to do with anything.

Now that I've had my say, continue on with your conversation.

He ended his post this way. Not much of a biggie.


#27 – Ups

Well, we're in RVS and I personally don't understand the Random.org hate when most people tend to joke around with their votes this early in the game.

Explained that he did what others did and why the hell is he the only one Neil attacked. Yes, neil only attacked the IC random voter.


#31 - Neil

the chance of silverbullet actually being scum is 2/9. The only reason I'm going with this, is for an experienced player he 1. Hasn't said anything yet, which most lurking people usually turn out scum that I've realized. and 2. Because he hasn't contributed anything to the town yet, which in this case means if he does turn up town, we're not losing a HUGE asset.

So VOTE: Silverbullet999

He votes Silverbullet with 2 reasons. The vote isn’t random, he tried to explain it and he put on the odds. He subconsciously said that Silverbullet is not a valuable team player.

He then proceeds on questioning Raz’s Random Vote, taking it seriously. It was partly OMGUS because at the moment he said that, Razgriz voted for him.


#32 - Ups

That line sounds to me like you want to appear to be scumhunting, without actually taking a stand. That type of passive play is weak for town.

Ups accused Neil of faking scumhunting without taking a stand. I don’t know what taking a stand means but, every post of Neil is overly reasoned. I MEAN EVERY.


#35 - Ups
He states that Neil is suggesting lynching people who doesn’t actively contribute to the game


#36-#37 - Neil

Well, I just voted before you posted anything. Also, what about it is passive? I was waiting to see everyone post in, before I decide to make an accusation. I'd much rather strategically question people then just go out and say their scum. If they can defend themselves accurately, I have no problem moving on.

He explains that #32 isn’t true.

He then proceeds at telling he doesn’t like RVS, instead he wants logical reasoning than voting here and then.

#37 states that he should get his accusation right.

[Spadille]

BOLDING THIS TO PUT EMPHASIS: THIS GOES TO ALL, MOD INCLUDED

I can't continue the game anymore, IRL issues. Our school is gonna have some activity fucknot and I'm included. We are gonna be exiled in a camp and "survive" there without gadgets and shits. Long story short, I am gonna ask to be replaced. Also last sunday, I attended a seminar or something. Mod, sorry. Players, I am glad to play with you for a short while. I learned things. Now I know how to read tells, and I have leads . My replacement's gonna handle that I'm sure. SORRY AND THANK YOU ONCE MORE! HAVE A NICE GAME!

[Spadille]

Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, nice game guise.
Was back from the forest games a month ago and joined another game.
Sadly my schedule was bigger that I thought, lol.

First game as scums, first perfect game as scums. Congrats neil and yoenit!