Thian - 2 (Chimp Pants, Mysterio)
Chimp Pants - 1 (Kirbyoshi)
Kirbyoshi - 1 (Leech)
Not Voting - 3 (Applefarmer, startransmission, Thian)
I implied where my focus would be. I'm not saying that either Leech or Chimp is town, but I'm looking at the shotty wagon, and of all the players on it I'm less suspicious of those two.Thian wrote:Star you didn't answer chimp pants question directly. you stated who you felt was town, not scum.
I don't see his reasons being very far off of the reasons that others had, including yourself. You seem to distinguish a vote with a hammer, which is only understandable if the reasons for either are different. Which in this case it's not. I'm not liking how you seem to have a problem with Myst's hammer, but aren't explaining why exactly, and are pursuing the opinions of others on why it might be scummy. Please explain exactly why you feel Myst's reasons for voting are different from your own, and why his hammer bothers you.Thian wrote:Star you didn't answer my question directly either. ""Do you feel that mysterio's reasons were good?" I didn't ask if it made him more suspicious or not.
Yes, but I don't have any strong feelings about their alignments. I'm less suspicious of them/more interested in a couple of other players.Thian wrote:Star Is this feeling you have about Leech and chimp Pants based on gut?
The two methods aren't mutually exclusive, nor are they useful without the other. Questioning someone without ever voting for them gets us nowhere. It's fluff and simply makes it appear as if you're scumhunting, when in actuality you're doing absolutely nothing.Thian wrote:Mysterio, do you believe that scum hunting is determined by vote? or is it determined by questions and content to analyze?
Are you saying a hammer is inherently more suspicious? Do you or do you not think Shotty should have been lynched? If so, what would my hammer have to do with being suspicious?Thian wrote:Also, are you trying to justify with your last post that my vote on shotty is more suspicious compared to your hammer?
Kirbyoshi wrote: @Thian: Who are your top 3 scum reads?
These were my top three suspects Chimp Pants is not on that list currently anymore as suspicious. He has contributed more townie in my eyes. Shotty is lynched, which leaves you Mysterio.Thian wrote: To KirbYoshi:
Top 3:
1. Mysterio for the AtE's, and all of what has been questioned on him so far.
2. Illume ((theory after this))
3. Steppenwolf ((theory below))
He said "scum would notice said personHindu wrote:They'd appear scummy. Trying to out someone as town so early is nothing town would do. Scum would know said person is town and would say "Hey, he's playing well. That vote isn't well justified. I'll get some support and attack the vote".
And a horrid fucking day it was. Oh well, I have the next three days off. Will be posting starting tomorrow morning, drunk and exhausted at the moment.startransmission wrote:At the last day of my work week, hope to have something up tonight.
Again, where did I jump on Shotty? What fallacies am I missing/ignoring? Or is my asking you legitimate questions a way of avoiding "contributing"?[/quote]Leech wrote:jump on shotty instead of commenting on any of the other fallacies that are going on in this thread.
First of all, please read things a little more carefully. I questioned Leech because he had a genuine suspicion of Hindu, but kept his admittedly weak RVS vote on me. That is the issue. Voting for one person and FoSing another in general cannot possibly be scummy BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY VOTE ONE PERSON AT A TIME. So, you vote your top suspect and FoS the next suspicious player in order to keep pressure on them.Thian wrote:Starting with Day one. Leech voted for Mysterio, but pressured hinduragi with questions. This triggered Mysterio to feel that Leech was FOS'ing Hinduragi while voting for Mysterio. Mysterio thought Leech was scummy for that and called it distancing.
Yet what is Mysterio doing right out of the gate on Day 2? FOSing Startransmission and Voting for someone else. Completely hypocritical.
Then why the hell would a hammer be inherently suspicious? You've just openly contradicted yourself. If Shotty deserved to be lynched, then voting to lynch him is not scummy. You seem to be flailing at this point to try and cast suspicions on me for hammering a VI, when your vote was opportunistic as hell.Thian wrote:I am saying your hammer is inherently more suspicious. Shotty in my mind had good reason to be lynched. He was a distraction, his emotional response to simple questions or votes placed on him caused him to look scummy in my eyes. Also self voting? That is not towards a townie win condition which all sides should be playing to in the first place.
Orly?Thian wrote:I haven't said he was scummy with lack of voting.
Couple this with your insistence that Brod being cautious makes him suspicious in post #214 makes it pretty clear how you felt about Brod. And now that I've called you on it, you're trying to deny it. This is more scummy behavior.Thian wrote:Trachimbrod: Mastin's Insane Tells ((Theory)) (MiT))
One of his theories is the second vote on the bandwagon is more than likely a scum tell especially in newbie games. Also that someone who expresses caution is scum. Now this is just theory, no real stats to prove effective enough to state 100 percent that this is a true scum tell but I can see where it comes into play here with you Trachimbrod.
To put your name second on mysterio it would raise the suspicion meter on you, scum would not want suspicion on them that early and would be more hesitant to join a bandwagon without a consensus or others on the bandwagon before them. You expressed a desire to put a vote on Mysterio but only after you had discussed it with everyone and formed a consensus.
You also approached putting any type of voting on Mysterio with caution because it would put him at L-3 as stated L-3 is not so much to worry about compared to L-2 but more so L-1.
Caution based on MiT states that because one is cautious it is scum trying to look protown. So your reaction to putting someone at L-3 seems a bit contrived.
Thian is looking scummier by the minute, and Star refuses to be of use. I know I'm stressed for time at the moment, but he has been since the game started. The fact that he hasn't voted is not the message he should be getting across, either. I'm frustrated with him and his style. Especially considering he said he always starts slow, but gets more active as time goes on, when that simply isn't the case.Mysterio wrote:@Leech, what's your take on Thian and Star?
Erm, could you pull out specific posts? Not everything in that range is doing those things.Leech wrote:6-20 are all either fluff, fence sitting, IIoA, or complaining. There is literally no scumhunting in any of these posts. That is a frightening portion of your game to have, almost literally, done nothing.
So I couldn't put a name to what Hindu was doing that was scummy. Am I scummy for that? Or did I just forget the name for a scumtell?Leech wrote:21: You parrot and pretty much say "that's what I was thinking" when the topic was "Active Lurking" which is a concept you should not be unfamiliar with. You specifically stated you were "trying to put your finger on" it, yet you shouldn't have had a hard time figuring that out if you were actually paying attention. Your reaction here shows me that you aren't really scumhunting. You are parroting.
Wrong. Pointing out a fallacy.Leech wrote:22- IIoA, again.
Wrong. Asking clarification.Leech wrote:23- Fluff, again.
Sympathy is not AtE. Also, the game of Mafia takes balls. If you have none, you should not sign up for a game.Leech wrote:29- Appeal to emotion with shotty, then you actually have the balls to ask him for explanation when you've not given any, yourself, this entire game.
Or I was trying to generate discussion.Leech wrote:This is almost the scummiest question you can ask near the end of a day phase. Keep in mind, if Kirby is scum, the second question is worthless. There is absolutely no reason for town to ask this question, at this time, period. The reason this question would be asked, is either for scum to keep around the scummiest player, or kill them for wifom. The only question that is scummier than that is: "So, guys, who should I kill?"
I was trying to get a feel for his experience level. How could you not see that?Leech wrote:32- Fluffy pointless question that has absolutely no trace of scumhunting