Mini 1040 - Everyone's A Critic! [Game Over]

[XScorpion]

vote: Stef

because he replaced out of our last game.

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Vote: XScorpion

. He knows why.

Have you played with me before? I totally forget if you have or not (my apologies if we have).

vote: XScorpion to create the first bw.

...what?

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EBWODP: Oh I thought you meant I made the first bandwagon XD

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Mykonian, I think you're taking them too seriously. The rest of town is in RVS, even if you aren't.

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jelly get your hypocrisy outta my FACE

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Are you scum?

Am I hiding? Doesn't look like it to me.

Scorpion, vote yourself please, I want to see something.

Too bad.

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That's not...that's not what he...

My answer to both questions is "doesn't look like it to me," in case you were confused.

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I don't see what you're getting at. How would it be a false confirmed townie?

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Two kills a night for scum seems like a pretty far stretch though.

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Jack and jelly please unvote and vote for someone else or explain why self-voting is pro-town.

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you know why

No, I don't. Explain now.

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Don't want to insult you scorpion. It probably has already become a selffulfilling profecy that you are an easy lynch

I haven't played with anyone on my wagon except danakillsu and stef (who i haven't finished a game with). How many of them do you think are voting me based on my reputation?

Wait, you're only addressing this now?

Were you serious or not? If you weren't serious then feel free to not answer, but if you were, explain.

Scorp you still happy with your vote on stef?

He's not giving any reason for voting me, so yeah I like my vote.

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I don't, so explain.

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For the lulz?

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For great lulz?

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A RVS excuse is better than no excuse.

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however, you seem to be fine parking your vote on me without me giving any reasons and adding pressure is obviously not it.

Oh really? If RVS votes aren't meant for discussion through pressuring, what are they meant for?

Why not ask if I don't give any reasons? Would it be because it gives you an excuse to park your vote?

Sorry bout that, I still have to wash the bad taste of Open 231 out of my mouth. I sometimes forget that people might actually answer me when I ask them why they're voting...

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Posting a list of people doesn't mean anything unless you actually explain why they're there.

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Clearly it isn't obvious to everyone because DP keeps doing it.

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By the way, you still haven't unvoted or explained to me why self-voting is pro-town.

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Ignoring me? Fine. Maybe this will encourage you to be less anti-town.

unvote
Vote: Jack

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Nah, I like my vote now. It's on someone who is definitely being anti-town.

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Meaning your vote might very well be on a towny that is actually helping the town. I wouldn't call Jack antitown.

If he's so intent on helping town then he can unvote and vote for someone he thinks is scum. Voting for yourself is anti-town, period. It doesn't help town in any way whatsoever, and assuming he is town, means he's voting for the only person he knows FOR SURE is town. How is that possibly useful?

I'm very happy with this game so far, I have three good town reads and three slight scum reads,

Then freaking unvote and vote one of them! I'm tired of asking.

"Stef voted scorp without any reason" - false, I stated my reason
"Scorp votes Stef for having no reasons for his vote" - Scorp did not know if stef had any reason. He didn't even bother to ask. He voted for me for voting for him. It is blatant OMGUS.

What the hell is this?

I voted you first.

Go die.
And it's not my bloody responsibility to explain what you're thinking. If you were pro-town, you'd be trying to convince other people to vote with you (using a legitimate case), not blindly hopping onto my early wagon for no reason.

I've seen him react to pressure and I thought it would be a good place to put some to get reactions.

Once I voted he voted right back instead of asking for reasons.

That => he voted for me voting for him. If he would have had a problem with my reasons he would have asked, something I pointed out previously. It's just fishy.

DIE LIAR DIE

unvote
Vote: Stef

"Oh really? If RVS votes aren't meant for discussion through pressuring, what are they meant for?" I said that your vote was obviously not to add pressure. What did you understand? Also, do you think I am scum? If yes, why?

LYNCH ALL LIARS

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I'm saying you should have asked for my reasons. Asking a question is the opposite of explaining something. How exactly did you mix the two? Again with the "no reason"? Really?

This is an obvious trap. Here's how the scum does it: You vote for someone and don't give a reason, opting instead to come up with it later if pressured. Then, if the townie you're voting for doesn't ask for those reasons, you go gung-ho saying "HAHA YOU MUST BE SCUM BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T ASK WHY I WAS VOTING YOU." Nice try bro.

Why aren't you voting for mykonian for "lying" about the same thing?

Because mykonian didn't decide to base a vote on me by calling my vote OMGUS.

Also, decide, it's either a policy lynch vote or you voting for me being scummy. Good job at failing.

Lynch all liars is a great policy. I use it all the time.

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Then freaking unvote and vote one of them! I'm tired of asking.

Then don't ask--it's an MD debate as to whether it's a good strategy or not. Did you read the article I posted?

I feel like I have a good grip on this game, but things are still developing. I'm very content to watch them develop.

It's a debate as to whether self-voting is a good strategy? Yeah, I don't buy that.
Which article? The one on reasoning?

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My vote was never on you because you didn't ask why I was voting for you.

Then why was it on me?
I'm not going to answer anything else you say until you answer me first. This:

@The Scorp Fos/Vote: I've seen him react to pressure and I thought it would be a good place to put some to get reactions. Once I voted he voted right back instead of asking for reasons

Is not acceptable because it is a lie. I want a better answer.

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And explain how my vote was OMGUS while this:

I voted for you for keeping your vote on me after RVS for not giving any reasons while not even caring what those reasons were.

Isn't.

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So you admit your vote was as bad as mine? Alright that's cool.

unvote
Vote: Jack

because I'm still missing how what you're doing is pro-town and you refuse to explain it.

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Lay off Jack, he is definitely town.

Until you post content or actually explain anything that you've said all game I think I'm going to have a hard time taking you seriously.

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I'm voting Jack.

~Oops, missed the return vote.

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And yet the trap fails miserably if the person is questioned about the reasonless vote. So how again is this trap effective and thus something that scum would use?

It doesn't fail, because the scum picks someone who is likely to do something scummy later, and then after doing so, uses that as an excuse to keep the vote there. Surely if you were scum, you wouldn't go after the most obviously pro-town person?

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The fact he would come out and say the setup has 2 scum is a peculiar thing to say, something that a scum wouldn't want to inform the town on.

Unless there are actually 3 scum, in which case he is simply misleading town.

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How often have you guys seen mafia claim miller? Just curious.
Dana, you've spent the whole game tunneling on RC...is there seriously no one else you think is scum?
I also don't get where this "David seems town" comes from. Does this mean you think Magna is scum?

For going after an "easy" target (me), and 10 pages in having his vote on someone (me) who hasn't even noticed it's been on him til now because of my absence from the game. To me that strikes as scummy behaviour wanting to use your vote somewhere you won't be called out for and you won't get caught on a bandwagon either. Your vote being on me has basically been as good as not voting.

Buddy, you MADE yourself an 'easy' target by doing nothing except posting lists of reads with no explanations (I will add that you still haven't explained your logic behind any of them yet), and it's definitely not Magna's fault that you aren't paying attention. If you have the time to post unexplained reads on people, you have the time to count votes.

unvote
Vote: DavidParker

I still got my eye on you, Jack. You better spill the beans before the day is over.

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What was the problem with Jack? He read pretty town to me.

I don't see how you can read anything. He's hiding the majority of what he thinks about the game.

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Ow.

Those lists I made were mostly just to avoid being prodded/replaced and a quasi-attempt of providing input to the game, even if it was generally false and bad input.

This is just awful. If you are worried about being prodded/replaced, just ask for a V/LA.
Voting for lurkers is either a sign of a bad player or scum. Just sayin.'
Dana's vote on Stef feels very forced. I wouldn't be surprised if Dana is just scum bussing at this point because he knows Stef is gonna die.
If Stef or Dana gets lynched today, HC needs another choice of target. I nominate DavidParker. Everyone should give suggestions as to who they think is a good vig target aside from whichever of Dana/Stef survives.
Oh, and please don't end the day until imaginality's replacement does some contribution. I hate when people go hammer-happy and forget that we still have player slots with literally no information.

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I think giving vig targets should help determine who is suspicious of who (I highly doubt scum are going to suggest that the vig kill a scumpartner), so that can be helpful after we get some flips.

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Why do you "highly doubt" that? They have the same motivation as they do bussing partners by voting.

It just doesn't seem to make sense to me when they might as well just offer a townie up instead.

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Does this mean you have town views on everyone else? I am very curious to understand how you have town reads on Dana and DavidParker.

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The argument that pressure is better added by prods than votes is a weak one imho. Prods can make people post. Votes make people post content.

If they aren't posting, then you aren't gonna get content anyway.
Mykonian, if you believe the claim, why are you still voting Stef?

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Yeah you might be waiting a while. For nothing. Just sayin'.
Definitely not surprised at shotty hopping on the same wagon as me so I don't pay attention to him. That's right, IGMEOY shotty.

I'd love to hear why DavidParker shouldn't be lynched today...totally loving his last vote btw, real pro-town to throw a vote out without explanation </sarcasm>
If I had to make a guess right now, I'd say Jack/DavidParker/Dana scumteam.

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Im typing, hold your horses

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Myko, is there any reason why Jack is a better person to vote for (note: I didn't say better lynch, I said better person to vote for) than DavidParker?
Dana why are you even voting RC when you know he's not gonna get lynched today? Are you more likely to vote Mykonian or DavidParker?
LMP, you haven't even mentioned DavidParker in this game. What is your read on him? Same question (and interestingly, same situation: why is DP going so ignored) to HC.
Jack, is lurking scummy? Who is scummier: Me or DavidParker? Why?
Everyone else is voting DavidParker so that's cool. I am in 100% agreement with absolutely everything Magna said in that last post. I would go so far as to say Magna is the most pro-town person in this game. Does everyone agree with me? Yes/No and why?

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How do I know that RC isn't going to be lynched today? Do you know who is? And Jack suspects him now, so I wouldn't be so sure. I would suspect mykonian more, David hasn't done anything out of character yet. I don't PARTICULARLY suspect either, though.

Sure, Jack claims he suspects him, which basically means nothing at all. I don't know who is going to be lynched today, but I know who ISN'T going to be lynched, and RC is one of those people.
David hasn't done anything out of character? So your entire town read on him is meta-based?

Or because others like DavidParker are giving so much more in depth analysis than I am?

Then why aren't you voting him...

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Magna: Have you played any games with Shotty before?
Actually, does everyone mind answering this question?

However, while Shotty is known to not be a master scumhunter, I expected better of mykonian than to vote Stef so quickly. It's almost as though he was looking for an excuse to lynch him, and found one through Jack's flip.

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vote: Shotty

I want everyone to tell me
a) how many games they've played with shotty
b) what roles he was in those games
c) what they think of him so far.

Go.

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3 scum, 9 players.

Wait when did we find this out?
Jack is town, and he may be right when he said there are only 2 scum.

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Anti
Dana
You are dodging my question.
I get really really pissed off when people dodge my questions.
Answer before I start throwing votes at you.

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I see you dodging that question too LMP.

Dana, have you read any other games with shotty and seen how he behaves?

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a) how "many games they've played with shotty
b) what roles he was in those games
c) what they think of him so far.

a) 4 completed ones I think
b) town town scum godfather
c) Voting for stupid ass reasons seems to fit shotty's play as town. Voting "erratically and without reason" actually seems to fit scum-shotty more than anything. Does anyone else agree with this conclusion?

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Prodded. Very busy with school and such.
No one responded to what I said in my last post, awesome </sarcasm>. Shotty continues to cruise through the game on his vote with no real explanation on it. There is 0% chance of him helping town in this game. Why is he still alive?
My time is limited, if you have questions please ask so I know what to post when I get a chance to look through here.

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I don't have time for mafia and I doubt I will for a while, so

requesting replacement

~Replacement request noted.

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Good job nopoint for picking up my spot, well played

Jack and Shotty both definitely shot the town in the foot. After I saw Jack fakeclaim with a best friend on my scumbuddy, there was much lols. Hard to lose after that.

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Oh and yes, this is a prime example of me scum-lurking to avoid suspicion 8D

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If I had come to this game as town, I would have been on to you and Anti-hero so hard =)

I'd probably just make the "omg it's cuz you hate me in every game" argument, which worked on Robocopter before so I don't see why it wouldn't work on you too.

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Hmmm.. I dunno maybe it's because I'm not Robocopter?

Not really relevant, I still think I could have convinced others that you were behaving like him.
Moot point anyway. I honestly hate playing scum, I think my biggest scumtell is lack of motivation...

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I'm actually surprised no one pointed me out for sheeping MoI all game...that's definitely not a town-scorpion move.