Now, I understand suspicion of Zach (I have my fair share). But there are a few points in shotty's case there that I can't let slide by:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Here he says that Vigs should kill people they are unsure about... NOOOO Vigs should kill people they have an anti-town or scum read from, only scum wants a Vig to blind fire.
I'm inclined to believe that this is a vig strategy disagreement and not necessarily scumminess. I'm welcome to the possibility that I'm wrong (like I kinda was yesterday with almaster).
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Then he blind votes me with no reason other than
"Die"
You had just claimed scum. Now, I think this is a dumb vote, and you can certainly argue with the logic of his reason, but to say that he had
no
reason is disingenuous.
drmyshottyizsik wrote:So you want to blind lynch someone? Only scum would want that Zach. Lets the vig take care of him if he must die. You have no indication that he is scum. You will never get G&H to claim so don't try or you will always be trying to lynch him.
Zach is far from the only person suggesting or supporting a policy lynch on G&H. You may disagree, but why is it scummy. And why not call the others out on it?
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Ok so now a new wagon appears and what does Zach do???? He jumps on it, and his reason is that we are close to dead line, and killing a towny is better than killing no one at all... Here is when I knew he was scum.
He didn't know that Elleran was town. I didn't know Elleran was town. Nobody on the wagon (except the mafia obviously) knew that Elleran was town. And having a lynch is preferable to no lynch.
drmyshottyizsik wrote:And Zach have you claimed yet? Just wondering, cause you are so interested in everyone else doing it.
He claimed not a PR like everybody else yesterday except you and G&H.
G&H: I did not ignore your questions. I merely didn't answer them. I wanted to hear what you had to say first. Thank you for giving us some of your reads in your previous post. I encourage you to continue. I do feel that, due to the unique circumstances of this limited massclaim, your claiming of PR or not PR would not be against the code that you've described. In addition, if you
are
a doctor (or other protective role), it's incredibly important that we know that fact, and adjust the situation accordingly. I implore you to consider this as an exception to your normal refusal to claim.
Although I respectfully disagree with your playstyle (I'm trying to be respectful, so please don't be angry), I am unwilling to lynch you based solely on it. However, I think you do encounter the problem that, by the time you have informed the other players of your playstyle differences, the game has already begun and their only choice is to accept them or lynch you (more likely than not, lynching you will be a net negative for the team). I don't see an easy way around this problem unfortunately, but I believe that it's something to think about.
Now, on to your questions.
Good and Honest wrote:redtail896, on Day 1 you interrogated AlmasterGM quite a lot; now you have listed some notable things about Zachrulez's behaviour. In this context, what do you think of Hoopla's suggestion that EXACTLY ONE of them is a mafioso?
As I've previously said, while I agree with most of Hoopla's logic concerning examining the Elleran wagon on D1, I'm unsure of some of her conclusions. If we examine the D1 bandwagon and remove AGar (confirmed town), shotty (very likely town), myself (obviously), and Hoopla (shakier theoretical ground here, but let's accept it for the moment), then we are left with gonnano, Zach, and Almaster. Of these, we're pretty sure that 1 or 2 are town.
Off of that wagon, we have G&H, KKN, ConfidAnon, and VRK. Basically, I think Hoopla is paying too much attention to the first 3, and not enough to these 3. In particular, I think that ConfidAnon suffers from many of the same problems that Zachrulez does.
Good and Honest wrote:Also, when discussing the votes from Day 1, you mention that Hoopla considers gonnano an innocent townsperson. What about you? Do you have any thoughts on gonnano you'd like to share?
On day 1 I thought that gonnano was a bit fluffy in his contributions. The biggest element of his play was his anti-AGar case, which I have problems with (yes, I know that that's much easier to say in retrospect). Despite his claim, I think that he
was
tunneling AGar for a good chunk of D1, even while voting Elleran.
The thing I'm most noticing about his day 2 play is that he hasn't posted much analysis, even in his longer posts. Most of it is playstyle and theory discussion with you, G&H (to be fair, I'm guilty of some of this too), and a vote on VRK that hasn't seen much, if any, followup.
You can just call me Redtail. If I could, I'd change my name to that anyway.