Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[ooba]

Hello everyone,

Just replaced in - starting the re-read.

[ooba]

Finished 14 pages before I retire for the night .. Haven't seen flips yet
Best bet for scum team: UK-Magnus-Nikanor

LOL. Keep Reading.

[ooba]

Hoi. I cheated .. Wanted to see people's reactions to my predictions (which were lacking) - I still see Amished, RC, Llama, SK are here. No idea who Ythan, SpyreX replaced (would like to keep it that way before I complete my read). - Anyway the fact that all three of my scum reads cannot be scum together will at least reduce confirmation bias for me.

Ahh, good. Ooba; can you elaborate on your role at all?

Was going to ask if there was a massclaim or something when I saw the below ..

@ Ooba: Have you or SPS made your third guess at your role yet? If so, what were the results?

Not yet. I am leaning towards guessing "Vengeful Townie" since that would make a lot of sense - aka if my role is not revealed until I flip it would be pretty bastardly (admitted it is a b-mod game) for me to be a doc\cop or something - cause the universe of roles is huge. A vengeful of course would still be useful after my flip.

[ooba]

Has anyone posting not cast an election vote?

Whats this? What do I have to do?

If you're discussing a Spy-SK pairing, then you should notice the
- SK calling a neutral read on Spy and someone else calling em out for it (Amished I think)
- Spy voting SK with great gusto

[ooba]

Has anyone posting not cast an election vote?

Whats this? What do I have to do?

Vote me and I get to use my govenor powers starting today. Vote someone else and I am not allowed to use them untill tomorrow, assuming I am alive tomorrow.

Got it - gimme another 24 hours to read the rest and see if you're scum. If its 4-3 and i elect you gov when you're scum, then its game over.

[ooba]

Has anyone posting not cast an election vote?

Whats this? What do I have to do?

Vote me and I get to use my govenor powers starting today. Vote someone else and I am not allowed to use them untill tomorrow, assuming I am alive tomorrow.

Assuming I vote for you today and make you a governor
- If you're scum, and there's three left, its an auto loss for the town
- If you're town, then scum would know not to quickhammer so its wasted anyway
Do not see any real reason to take that risk ...

Also re-reading going on very slowly ..

[ooba]

On page 29 .. I looked at the players alive and started concentrating on their posts ..

SK\SpyreX is decent
- SK's initial neutral on SpyreX
- SpyreX voting SK pretty strongly
- SK's 438 where he moves SpyreX from seemingly neutral to scummy
- At start of D2, their mutual bussing becomes ok again
Also killing MO who was constantly pushing the SK-SpyreX connection.

If there's a third, it might be RC or Amished.

Sleeping now.. More in like 12 hours ..

[ooba]

Still here ...
Have about twenty pages to go (couldn't get much reading in over last few days due to other games)

[ooba]

Will catch up tonight

[ooba]

In luck - I have like two hours to spare .. Will (finally) finish this!

[ooba]

I can't stomach the thought of being on a wagon with SK.

vote RedCoyote

Ythan\SpyreX?

This game's clueless for me .. I do have a good guess as to what my role is .. PM'ing my guess once I analyze claims again ..

[ooba]

Amished - Town Redirector.
N1: magnus -> Nikanor
N2: RC -> SPS

SC - Supernatural Cop (Town Random Cop)
N1: Amished targeted somebody

Nikanor | Insane Magical Weirdo (Town Flying Pumpkin) | (Lynched D2)
N1: Llama, Spyrex

LlamaFluff | Emo Lion
Passive - Knows nobody else is a vanilla

SocioPath| Gir?? | (Lynched D1)
magnus_orion | PO'd Firefighter (SK) | (Tomato'd N1)

UncertainKitten | The Golden Witch (Town Time Warper) | (Grasshopper'd N2)
Ability 1 - Time warper - N1 - SK. N2 - ?
Ushiromiya Maria - three guesses ??

SaintKerrigan | Jack O'Neill, Amnesiac
Ability 1 - N1 - SpyreX
Ability 2 - N2 - Me

SpyreX | Boba the Fett
JK or untargettable
N1 - JK'd me
N2 - JK'd SK

Ythan | Batman
If lynched, will be replaced with a vanilla replacement

RedCoyote | Bullwinkle J. Moose
One players actions will not go through

Have I got everything correct?

[ooba]

Hmm thats a lynch .. Not that it matters but I would have voted SpyreX

[ooba]

Anyone good at codes? I heard from a reliable source, a VERY reliable source that the code is important for us to figure out in order to not lose.

Actions from Amish? Anything from ooba?

You want me to try and break the code???

Hello elli!

RedCoyote - 4 - SpyreX, LlamaFluff, Ythan, Amished

I'd wager one of LF or Amished is scum ..

[ooba]

Actually as I think about it, I cant (technically) mislynch today it this was a wierd 7(+1):2:2:1 setup. Eli is confirmed town through Ythan. So that means Amish, SK and ooba are all scum. It just is a matter of lynching whoever isnt scum with Spy, which I will look into this weekend.

Any reason why you think its 2:2 apart from the "Red Mafia" flip?

[ooba]

HAI GUYZ

Why so late to the party?

[ooba]

The key to the game lies in the numbers:
4f 6e 65 20 6c 69 76 69 6e 67 20 6f 6e 6c 6f 6f 6b 65 72 20 69 73 20 69 6e 61 63 74 69 76 65 6c 79 20 6f 62 73 65 72 76 69 6e 67

"One living onlooker is inactively observing"

[ooba]

The key to the game lies in the numbers:
4f 6e 65 20 6c 69 76 69 6e 67 20 6f 6e 6c 6f 6f 6b 65 72 20 69 73 20 69 6e 61 63 74 69 76 65 6c 79 20 6f 62 73 65 72 76 69 6e 67

"One living onlooker is inactively observing"

That checks out.

If you can see that it checks out, then you must have known how to decode it before.

Not sure what the code means. These are the letters and numbers that make it up: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 0, b, c, e, f. It almost looks like a word or letter reference, but if that's true I've no clue what the system is representing.

---

and SK-Spy is a bit of a streach.

Why so?

[ooba]

I could go for Ooba today. I can see him as scum or third party regardless of how many scumteams we have.

What put Ooba over me, Llama?

I think SK is Spy's partner with the other-floating-not-in-thread guy a survivor with kills or something ..
- I dont believe his
- Plus revisit page 15 where SpyreX votes SK with gusto when someone questions SK on his partiality to SpyreX ..

I am still thinking 2:2:1 would be too hard on the town esp. when a lot of the roles are ambiguous ..

[ooba]

ebwop: Basically I don't believe your "Oh. The code works out" explanation

Also, I've caught up a long time back Amished. I think 2:1:1 is a much better setup. I would actually put my money on SK-Spy with another third party role. Agree that eli scum looks unlikely, which reduces the second SK possibility to Llama\Amished.

SocioPath (7): Nikanor, UncertainKitten, magnus_orion, SaintKerrigan, SpyreX, Amished, StrangerCoug
Nikanor (5): UncertainKitten. StrangerCoug, LlamaFluff, SaintKerrigan, SpyreX
RedCoyote - 4 - SpyreX, LlamaFluff, Ythan, Amished

The fact that Llama avoided the SP wagon when he said everyone would get new abilities (his reasoning was that most new abilities would be crap) and was on the other two wagons leads to think he is the SK.

However the mod message suggests that somebody else is part of the game

- if anything that person could be Llama's partner. Therefore I'm happy with lynching llama today.

I'd like everyone to answer this: If you could lynch two players today, who would they be. (exactly two please). If it wasn't obvious, my answer would be SK, LLama.

[ooba]

There's a reason the mod colored my statement red - I'm going to check back on all messages and see if something is apparent there ..

[ooba]

Bah .. Looks like I am the lynch for today ..

Vote: ooba

Spy, Llama please cross kill each other ..

[ooba]

???

What the hell, Ooba? How is self-voting helpful to you or your faction at all?

Because I know how lynches work .. and its obviously going to be me .. I even tried my last guess as a double voter since that might have swung this lynch to somebody else ..

And I obviously meant Spy's partner - you - SK ..

[ooba]

If you're town, there's no reason for you to speed up your own lynch in this scenario. It's like giving the scum a free vote for a mislynch.

...not that I suddenly think you're town, but if you do flip as such, then this wasn't a good move.

I'm not going to bring down the hammer yet until we've had some comments, but I'm prepared to administer it.

Lol if anything this reaction should tell the rest of the town you're scum ..

[ooba]

I think my predecessor claimed Note giver and day vig ..

[ooba]

I guessed Double voter ..

[ooba]

THE 1312 SHIS-KEBABS OF DEATH.

UNVOTE, VOTE OOBA

Other scum crosskill this person please ...

[ooba]

TOO LATE IT'S GAME OVEEEEEEEEEER

How's that even possible? I'm still town - you have another scum out there even if you're part of the two member scum team ..
Love these scum slips ..

[ooba]

Concerning twilight, you may speak until the death post is up, when the thread is locked. The dead may bah post and nothing more, all others may jabber until I shut you up.

Fuck. I shouldn't talk ..

"Bah"

[ooba]

@Ooba: why would self-voting make you more likely to win?

Messa answer this question later ...

I still think there's some weird mechanics with another unknown happening ..
- I like what elli did .. Town
- Llama is not part of a two member scum team ..
- SK is a good choice for a lynch though - too careful ..
I'll re-read Amished in ISO ..

[ooba]

I'm failing to see why anyone is cleared by this double-trap that just occurred. Ooba could be playing goodscum and not revealing his alignment too early. Llama could be trying to find info to give him a better NK target tonight. Elli technically could've faked being voteless, but a simple vote count should show whether this is the case or not. Point being, in this game of poker, it's wise to not trust your opponents' faces.

Lol - I actually call this the "I-dont-like-townies-being-confirmed-tell" (cause it'll narrow down scum choices by process of elimination) ...

"I don't believe you answered my request to elaborate on why I'm partners with Spyrex beyond Page 15"
Well, I've been scum with Spy and that vote on you was really fishy .. I don't have to read another thirty-five pages ..

[ooba]

I agree with above except I think SK is Spy's partner ...

Just realized that if eli is actually voteless and we have a two member scum team, its a no-lynch\lurk and don't vote if suspicion is on one of them ..

And when is the deadline?

[ooba]

Vote: LlamaFluff

Going with my earlier read ...

[ooba]

Vote: LlamaFluff

Going with my earlier read ...

So you are voting me because I am scum with Spy? You already claimed that I am not part of a bigger team.

Vote SK

I dont think there's a two member scum team because of one voteless guy .. If there is, its the mod or an outside player (voteless) who is the second scum team member .. I do think we're dealing with two lone killers here ... Plus gut tells me to vote you ..

Amished's vote will be interesting ..

[ooba]

So as last member of a scum team/third party I used an action that pulled you off L-1?

Hmmmm. You wouldn't have quick hammered since it would have signaled to the other that you are scum.
A L-1 reset would make you look pro-town.

[ooba]

Also, if you are SpyreX's partner, you should probably claim now ..

[ooba]

I can swing for a SK lynch - just not sure if its the right one now ..

Vote: SK

[ooba]

I'll need to review each and every mod post to figure whats going on ..
The mod's reluctance to post a vote count tells me there might be some shenanigans wrt 1312 aka you not being able to vote ..

[ooba]

There are two possible scenarios here.
a) You are voteless scum. I am a townie with a vote. Hence I control the majority and can vote you out.
b) There is an external scum (outside). He is also voteless. Hence I control the majority and can try to lynch him.
c) There is an external scum (outside). He has a vote. In which case there is no point playing cause he'd not vote himself and would just wait for a deadline no-lynch to occur ...

Finally have time tonight to read through mod posts and see if I can make any sense out of this ..

[ooba]

I'm royally confused .. Posting whatever concrete I get here though ..

Sorry if its stating the obvious to those in the dead thread

1) SocioPath| Gir?? | (Lynched D1)
3) Nikanor | Insane Magical Weirdo (Town Flying Pumpkin) | (Lynched D2)
6) RedCoyote | Klutz (Town Warp) | (Lynched D3)
9) SaintKerrigan | Removed Main Character (Town Amnesiac) | (Lynched D4)

2) magnus_orion | PO'd Firefighter (SK) | (Tomato'd N1) -> Red kill

4) StrangerCoug(RayFrost) | Supernatural Cop (Town Random Cop) | (Stop Sign'd N2) -> Red Mafia kill
5) UncertainKitten | The Golden Witch (Town Time Warper) | (Grasshopper'd N2) -> Green

7) Ythan | Defunct Hero (Late Arriving Townie) | (Cherry Jello'd N3) -> Red
8) SpyreX | Evil Incarnate (Red Mafia Jailkeeper) | (Cucumber'd N3) -> Green

10) LlamaFluff | Pride Leader (Mafia Godfather) | (Building'd N4) -> Is this supposed to be green?
11) Amished | Crazed Pilot (Town Redirecter) | (Flambéed N4) -> Red

<Random speculation>Green=Green goblin?
Blue text guy is MO .. A dead firefighter who can talk in the future?? - Probably Frank Sullivan from Frequency. I don't think he can win anymore too since that's the vibe I get from his posts</spec>

[ooba]

SK's lynch color was #00BF00 instead of normal green but guessing thats a mod mistake

Eli, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for this, wont be voting you. - if you're scum you've got game - well done

"One living onlooker is inactively observing"
"However the mod message suggests that somebody else is part of the game"
"Outside of the box."
- Clearly someone outside the game .. But who? Possibilities that must be considered:

* MO(SK)
" Its deceptively simple to figure out. Like its really easy..."
"I for one believe you're all screwed!"
"I would say like... good luck, but instead I'll leave you with this... you know who you are if this applies to you."
Clearly first two posts addressed to town . Third addressed to red team who killed him. If MO was an SK who could fake his death - I would have just shut up and not used the broadcast ability which posts in my color. The three dots (...) also corresponds to MO's posting style although that could have been faked if needed ..
Sticking with the theory that he's dead, the one posting in blue and cannot really hurt us

For the purpose of analysis I can eliminate
- SK, LLama and Amished to be the "

living

onlooker" since that message was posted when they were alive.
- SpyreX since he was Red Mafia

Which leaves ..
1) SocioPath| Gir?? | (Lynched D1)
3) Nikanor | Insane Magical Weirdo (Town Flying Pumpkin) | (Lynched D2)
4) StrangerCoug(RayFrost) | Supernatural Cop (Town Random Cop) | (Stop Sign'd N2)
5) UncertainKitten | The Golden Witch (Town Time Warper) | (Grasshopper'd N2)
6) RedCoyote | Klutz (Town Warp) | (Lynched D3)
7) Ythan | Defunct Hero (Late Arriving Townie) | (Cherry Jello'd N3)
8) SpyreX | Evil Incarnate (Red Mafia Jailkeeper) | (Cucumber'd N3)

Leaning towards Socio because
- I think his claimed ability was false - I really do not think anybody got an ability D2
- Doesn't say town in the flip BUT mod does mention green is town color

To do
- Check out all claims and see if there's something obvious I missed out
- Check out if ANYONE got an ability D2
- Check out flavor to see if Gir might fit flavor for townie who turns to killer

[ooba]

Players send three choices of players they want to be - mod picks one out of the hat. Asked what my predecessor had given him - Prester John, T-Rex from Dinosaur comics and Cohen the barbarian.

Btw what\who are you and what can you do?

[ooba]

I'm not allowed to say.
All I know is that I entered because my predecessor died.
Yeah.

No special abilities.

Hmm okies.

Well its one of those

seven

or the mod who is the green player ..

[ooba]

http://www.invaderzim.tv/char.php?charid=gir

Have you seen the show?

[ooba]

Well .. Maybe since Gir wears a protective cover .. And I find it strange that Socio would be the only person who didnt get one of his choices as his role ..

[ooba]

He didn't get the role he wanted?
Where'd he say that?
I'll have time to look through these pages realllly soon.

ISO him - he said he wont be flipping one of the roles he choose ..

[ooba]

Lol .. I could use some help from Blue guy - Omega? (MO) if you're still there.

Am I right with the Socio angle?

Also will look fully into claims tomorrow ..

Silly rabbit, I don't give out game information. OTB, fools.

[ooba]

Did you guys choose your own colors.

Somewhat. Also, you actually came somewhat close but missed an entirely obvious piece

You as in when I was speculating stuff or you as in when elli was theorizing?

[ooba]

elli my guesses for the colours were

Red = Red Mafia
Blue = MO
Theta = I was thinking it was a dead thread or something

Green = Bad guy

No idea who purple might be ..

[ooba]

Which leaves ..
1) SocioPath| Gir?? | (Lynched D1)
3) Nikanor | Insane Magical Weirdo (Town Flying Pumpkin) | (Lynched D2)
4) StrangerCoug(RayFrost) | Supernatural Cop (Town Random Cop) | (Stop Sign'd N2)
5) UncertainKitten | The Golden Witch (Town Time Warper) | (Grasshopper'd N2)
6) RedCoyote | Klutz (Town Warp) | (Lynched D3)
7) Ythan | Defunct Hero (Late Arriving Townie) | (Cherry Jello'd N3)
8) SpyreX | Evil Incarnate (Red Mafia Jailkeeper) | (Cucumber'd N3)

These 7 ...

Check the rule post now .. Apparently only the "n" was supposed to be blue, not "in"

[ooba]

elli, where art thou?

[ooba]

Bah! I will analyze again in 24 hours time ..

[ooba]

Can you vote me? I want to see if you have a vote like you said you did ...

[ooba]

I'm scared third-guy not with us can hammer it.
Wait a second.

Lol. I don't think syke will give us a VC without us taking a risk .. Anyway I think the game now boils down to can you discover the other person to vote for within the time .. I don't think he\she has a vote ..

So vote me; I just want to see a VC with your vote on it ..

[ooba]

Sorry ooba.
I think they have a vote. >.>
Just trust me.

Deadline is in a day anyway...

Lol .. I don't think so .. Vote me - my doubts about you have resurfaced ..

[ooba]

Elli and ooba, you nincompoops! I friggen TOLD YOU Magnus was scum. Did you at all TRY to figure out what I was saying? Derpsicles.

I thought purple was being useless with that comment

Only good thing I did this game was guess my role right ..