Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[LlamaFluff]

So lets see...

ooba cant be last member of a scumteam, or a SK at this point. That probably means that he is town at this point, although it makes the whole Eli thing even more confusing. Either way, we are not lynching ooba today, only way he is scum is if he is in a three man group, which I doubt exists.

Amish is probably scum with Spy at this point, still.

That leaves SK who is probably other scum, this holds true if other scum is an individual, or is other scum is a SK.

Eli remains a wildcard. One slight problem with his voteless claim is how hard it would be to test it in a lylo situation. He could have really tried to hammer ooba for the win if he had a vote, and the only way scum-Eli would ever get caught is if we forced him to hammer a partner. I have a very hard time making him scum logically, but PoE almost makes him have to be scum (lest ooba-SK team is self-destructing). Not sure, again though not voting him today.

Also still not voting Amish as I think that he is Spys partner, and it will likely end the game if the other kills are coming from another two member faction.

So consider this intent to vote SK.

[ooba]

I agree with above except I think SK is Spy's partner ...

Just realized that if eli is actually voteless and we have a two member scum team, its a no-lynch\lurk and don't vote if suspicion is on one of them ..

And when is the deadline?

[sykedoc]

Vote Count when I return, Deadline is the 21st (Saturday)

[LlamaFluff]

I agree with above except I think SK is Spy's partner ...

I just do not see that because yesterday when I started a wagon on RC, SK responded with one on Spy, that had a good chance of actually going through.

[SaintKerrigan]

Lol - I actually call this the "I-dont-like-townies-being-confirmed-tell" (cause it'll narrow down scum choices by process of elimination) ...

Then feel free to show me how any of the events that have recently transpired cleared anyone from suspicion, because it's not evident to me. Also, how experienced are you with your tell? How do you tell the difference between your tell and someone who isn't buying the same moonshine that everyone else is?

Well, I've been scum with Spy and that vote on you was really fishy .. I don't have to read another thirty-five pages ..

...seriously? This is why I'm scum? What makes Spyrex's vote for me different from any of the other people he's voted?

ooba cant be last member of a scumteam, or a SK at this point. That probably means that he is town at this point, although it makes the whole Eli thing even more confusing. Either way, we are not lynching ooba today, only way he is scum is if he is in a three man group, which I doubt exists.

You're gonna have to explain this to me. What, specifically, gives you the idea that Ooba is town, and why? As mentioned to Ooba, I'm not seeing it at all. Just because he goes "bah, go town!" after a lynch does not make him town.

Also, why is Amished Spy's partner, again?

[LlamaFluff]

ooba cant be last member of a scumteam, or a SK at this point. That probably means that he is town at this point, although it makes the whole Eli thing even more confusing. Either way, we are not lynching ooba today, only way he is scum is if he is in a three man group, which I doubt exists.

You're gonna have to explain this to me. What, specifically, gives you the idea that Ooba is town, and why? As mentioned to Ooba, I'm not seeing it at all. Just because he goes "bah, go town!" after a lynch does not make him town.

He selfvoted. If he was the last member of a scumteam that would mean that he loses. So he is not a member of a two man team with Spy, and he is not a SK. He probably is not a member of a three man including Spy, or a two man not including him either.

Also, why is Amished Spy's partner, again?

Will get on this, going to be busier soon though. My last summer class has a final this friday, I help my little brother move in for his freshman year in college saturday, and my next semester starts monday.

Look at the end of day votecounts yesterday. RCs wagon was me, ythan, spy and amish. You voted Spy, ooba declared intention to vote him (plus the thing Eli pointed out). I know im not spys partner, ythan well obv, ooba is not from what Eli said, you are not for starting a rival wagon to RC on Spy, Eli physically *could* be, but pointing out the ooba thing eliminates someone from the pool, which I do not see happening.

Process of Elimination is a bitch. Because of that though I am not voting Amish. I think it will lose us the game, despite lynching scum.

Consider this an "intent to vote SK" post.

[LlamaFluff]

Also SK - Who is partner(s) with Spy?

Who is the other anti-town force(s)?

[SaintKerrigan]

He selfvoted. If he was the last member of a scumteam that would mean that he loses. So he is not a member of a two man team with Spy, and he is not a SK. He probably is not a member of a three man including Spy, or a two man not including him either.

For the latter two, why? He clearly had a reason for his self-vote, and I don't buy his story that he "knew" he was the lynch, so he just wanted to speed it along. That is absolutely terrible town play, and I think a town-Ooba would know better than that. Thus, I think he has another reason for self-voting. Regardless of what that reason is, the self-vote does not look town-oriented in my eyes.

Also SK - Who is partner(s) with Spy?

Who is the other anti-town force(s)?

You still top my list for Spyrex partners, and my other scumteam is Ooba and Amished. This is still presuming two scumteams. Single scumteam would be you and Amished/Elli (Elli because it is technically possible for him to enter the game as scum). Ooba/Amished would be the SK at this point (with preference to Amished because not one of his redirects have been on targets that we could use to confirm his ability).

The idea that Amished and Ooba are partners seems even more tangible to me considering that Amished went AWOL for the entire duration where Ooba was potentially going to be lynched.

Vote: Amished

Let's get serious, here.

[Amished]

I was off the whole site for that duration. Try again SK.

[SaintKerrigan]

Only from Friday to Sunday. Try again Amished.

[Ellibereth]

Okee I might actually have time to do barrel roll through this sooon
Llama, what exactly does the governer thing that you won give you? One Vote counts cancel and deleting points or more stuff? And do you have a nugget in thread somewhere that makes it less likely to be Spy buddy. I Know if you're not that you know but...yeah.

KERRI, QUOTE YOUR TOWNIES POST IN THE GAME FOR ME PLZ. GRACIAS

Is the only possibility Two scumteams here?
Or could there be actual double kill or poison kill shenanigans.

Sociopath wanted to die rite? Did anything come out of that. >.>

[Amished]

Ahh, that's what I get for not actually checking post times (all my timezone):

Llama's vote of Ooba was Monday at 12:15 AM. Ooba's selfvote was at 11:48 am on Monday. Elli's vote of Ooba was at 1:21 pm on Monday. Llama then voted Elli at 5:47 pm Monday.

Let's see; I don't wake up and post in mafia; I go to work from 8-5 (so I fall asleep well before midnight) and don't get back til about 5:30. Given that I have life to take care of when I get home I would've had all of 12 minutes to post in that timeframe. You tell me where I was actually laying low through the Ooba wagon.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama, what exactly does the governer thing that you won give you? One Vote counts cancel and deleting points or more stuff? And do you have a nugget in thread somewhere that makes it less likely to be Spy buddy. I Know if you're not that you know but...yeah.

Govenor gave me the vote resets and the deleting of others point thing. Thats it.

Nothing out there. Most of the early game I figured Spy was probably town. Yesterday I thought he could be scum, but figured RC was much more likely scum so went and started that wagon.

Sociopath wanted to die rite? Did anything come out of that. >.>

SP gave everyone a "gift". Most people say theres are not good. Mine was getting rid of all the points I had accumulated.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Amished: Fair enough. You aren't off my list o' suspects, but I've got more issues with Ooba than you at the moment.

Unvote: Amished. Vote: Ooba.

KERRI, QUOTE YOUR TOWNIES POST IN THE GAME FOR ME PLZ. GRACIAS

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't know what you're referring to by "Townies post". Clarify plz?

[Ellibereth]

towniest

[Ellibereth]

VOTING OOBATOWN IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

[ooba]

Vote: LlamaFluff

Going with my earlier read ...

[LlamaFluff]

Vote: LlamaFluff

Going with my earlier read ...

So you are voting me because I am scum with Spy? You already claimed that I am not part of a bigger team.

Vote SK

[ooba]

Vote: LlamaFluff

Going with my earlier read ...

So you are voting me because I am scum with Spy? You already claimed that I am not part of a bigger team.

Vote SK

I dont think there's a two member scum team because of one voteless guy .. If there is, its the mod or an outside player (voteless) who is the second scum team member .. I do think we're dealing with two lone killers here ... Plus gut tells me to vote you ..

Amished's vote will be interesting ..

[LlamaFluff]

So as last member of a scum team/third party I used an action that pulled you off L-1?

[ooba]

So as last member of a scum team/third party I used an action that pulled you off L-1?

Hmmmm. You wouldn't have quick hammered since it would have signaled to the other that you are scum.
A L-1 reset would make you look pro-town.

[ooba]

Also, if you are SpyreX's partner, you should probably claim now ..

[ooba]

I can swing for a SK lynch - just not sure if its the right one now ..

Vote: SK

[SaintKerrigan]

VOTING OOBATOWN IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

I DON'T THINK OOBA IS TOWN RIGHT NOW.

My Towniest Post:

For everyone else's convenience (since I think Spyrex is scumbuddies with Ythan so he's not really going to care about this):

Why Ythan is Scum

- He's has done almost no scumhunting at all in this game, period.
- He spends most of his posts calling me scum, yet refrains from voting for me in spite of this.

Spoiler: This is why this is scummy.

For the rest of you, let me put it in layman's terms why Ythan not voting for me is antitown in the scummy kind of way. When a townsperson thinks beyond all doubt that someone is scum, what do they typically do? They vote for them, that's what. When they don't do that, they have a really good, compelling reason not to. Under no circumstance except complete idiocy does a townsperson withhold a vote on someone they think is scum without good reason. Scum, however, have been known to do just that. Why they do it, who knows (they aren't keen on giving me that data), but they have done it before.

That's why this non-voting tell is so important. I've never seen town do what Ythan is doing, and I can't think of any hypothetical reason why Ythan-town is behaving in this manner, except if he is deliberately being a sycophantic jackass for the heck of it. Thus, Ythan is not town. That's why he needs to die, pronto.

- He spends multiple posts ignoring a simple question: Why aren't you voting me if you think I'm positively scum?
- Once he finally gives his reasons for why he isn't voting me, they are subpar and hardly believable.

Spoiler: His reasons for not voting me.

I started not voting you because I hadn't gotten around to it and a lynch didn't seem to be coming on. Now I'm not voting you because it's providing you an opportunity to flail uncontrollably and show how terribly opportunistic you are in your attempt to build some sort of case on me. And because trololololo lololo lolololl.

And there you have it.

*waits for the next choreographed Ythan insult*

Of course, this was before I found out that, yes, some people are willing to be this maniacal as town without good reason.

[Amished]

Also, if you are SpyreX's partner, you should probably claim now ..

Well, Ooba seems cleared, solely because of this post. If he was scum he would remember and believe my claim; knowing that if the last scum claimed I could redirect their kill back at them.

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Vote: SaintKerrigan