Mini #1007 (Game Over)

[AGar]

Ok gonnano.

[Kid Know Nothing]

Whoa, I didn't even realize that I had 3 votes already.

Ooooh, scared?

MAKE IT 4.

Unvote. Vote: Elleran.

Also,

FoS Zach

for tunneling on me like its his job.

Seriously, the only thing he has done the whole game is say, "lynch VI shotty" and "AGM is scum" while consistently trying to justify himself as little as humanly possible.

Vote: AlmasterGM

Weak pressure vote. Seriously. I just don't like the way this vote came around.

[Kid Know Nothing]

EBWOP: Not protective.

[Hoopla]

Is it V/LA with limited access or V/LA with no posting? Just curious, honestly.

Alright, Hoopla, I'll bite. I admit my mistrust with the claim is simply that I don't see 100% benefit to mass-claims almost ever. I tend to lean pessimistic in regards to them.

I still want to know if we're just claiming out of the blue or if we want to do a popcorn style claim or something.

I'd prefer popcorn style. Want to follow along and tell us if you're a protective PR or not?

[Hoopla]

Also Elleran is at L-1. Nobody hammer until we finish this protection role massclaim. And possibly an Elleran claim, though I'd rather wait until the massclaim is over, because we might not need to out his role.

Unvote

Until we get this sorted.

[AGar]

Ok. I don't think that's popcorn but alright.

I'm not a protective PR.

[AGar]

I'm gonna say Elleran next if we are doing actual popcorn.

[Hoopla]

Ok. I don't think that's popcorn but alright.

I'm not a protective PR.

I meant from here on in. My claim was merely a formality to kickstart the process, and as an offering of good will, as the first positions in a massclaim are the worst for scum.

[AGar]

Ok. Then Elleran next.

[Espeonage]

VOTECOUNT

5 -

Elleran

- gonnano, redtail896, AlmasterGM, AGar, drmyshottyizsik (L-2)
3 -

AlmasterGM

- Vel-Rahn Koon, Zachrulez, Kid Know Nothing (L-4)
1 -

gonanno

- ConfidAnon (L-6)

Not Voting - Good and Honest, Elleran, Hoopla

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Countdown Timer:
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/cus ... c=0&p0=240

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

meh. Sounds like PR fishing. If, statistically, we're dealing with only 1 protection role, why give the scum any more info?

Statistically it is HIGHLY likely the town has ONE protection role. The only way we give away information is if we catch Shotty fakeclaiming.

Right. That's what I was saying. Statistically we're only dealing with one Doc-type role. So why are we going to give the scum 100% confirmation that shotty is definitely our Doc?

If Shotty is town, scum know our protection role is Shotty. The town doesn't know this currently.
If Shotty is scum, it is true we are possibly sacrificing our real protection role to 'confirm' Shotty as scum, but this puts us in no worse position than we are in now if Shotty

is

a doctor. Except we now have the bonus of having a scum caught Day 1.

The only way this backfires is if there is ZERO or TWO town protection roles. This only counts as rolefishing if Shotty's claim is false, Vel. And if the sacrifice of our protection role 'proves' Shotty as scum, I'd like to do it. Doctors are not game-breaking roles for town. A Day 1 scum lynch is much more preferable. And then conversely, if nobody counters Shotty's claim, this at least 'proves' he is town and gives the town the same information scum already has.

So effectively this strategy is going to verify shotty's Town-aligned status and forgo our need to even look at him further, sealing off potential safe claims for later for scum (worst case) and possibly net us a scum (best case)?

Ok. I understand where you're coming from now. I don't understand how you got 14% chance from AGar's situation, but just from gut the situation AGar outlined doesn't feel very likely. I can go along with a claim strategy, especially if it allows us to ignore the shotty conundrum. I need to go back and look at AGM and where all the votes came from all of a sudden.

[redtail896]

Sorry for missing the last couple days. And wow, did I miss a lot.

First things first: I claim not a protective role. That should more or less give you my opinions on Hoopla's plan. If you want more, I'll oblige.

Zachrulez I'm suspicious of more for relentlessly pursuing shotty (I'm pretty sure shotty is town, regardless of the doc claim). However, I understand his suspicions of AGM based on that anti-shotty post.

@ Elleran: we need more from you. Much more. You're almost lynched, and you have nothing to say about Hoopla's plan? C'mon.

[AGar]

Alright.. myself, Hoopla, KKN, gonnano and redtail have claimed.

Almaster, VRK, Elleran, G&H Confidanon and Zach have not.

Can we please try to start going popcorn style? Because the benefit of popcorn is being lost when people just come in and chime in about their claim out of the blue.

[AGar]

I have already said that I don't approve of people discussing how to get rid of drmyshottyizsik. This is quite an easy target. I don't see what huge problems drmyshottyizsik can cause. I don't think drmyshottyizsik is really going to be able to influence anyone much (sorry, drmyshottyizsik). The only danger might come from these sudden votes - but the players here should now be aware of this. So I'm not impressed with those who have been most eager to get rid of drmyshottyizsik - Zachrulez and, to a smaller extent, AlmasterGM. On the other hand, I find it good that some players haven't supported at all any drastic measures against drmyshottyizsik - like redtail896 and Vel-Rahn Koon (who has recently stated that drmyshottyizsik should just be ignored). gonnano is against getting rid of drmyshottyizsik - but that's because gonnano believes drmyshottyizsik's "Doctor" claim. gonnano, if drmyshottyizsik is not a "Doctor", would your position change?

BTW, I missed this early, but this post strikes me as odd. Like scum trying to gain townie cred for being against a particular wagon.

[Elleran]

@AGar: Did you just popcorn me for real? or are we not actually mass claiming yet..?

Seriously, the only thing he has done the whole game is say, "lynch VI shotty" and "AGM is scum" while consistently trying to justify himself as little as humanly possible.

I'm aware.

[AlmasterGM]

Popcorn is best. redtail, pick somebody.

Elleran continues to act scummy.

[redtail896]

Okay. I popcorn to Almaster

[AlmasterGM]

Not doctor.

Popcorn to Confidanon. Who has been AWOL and promised a post 2 days ago, btw.

[ConfidAnon]

The Elleran contradiction pointed out here is interesting.

@ConfidAnon - You know that vote you put down on page three? The one with no reason? Just wanted to check to make sure that you still have no reason for it.

You're right, I just haven't gotten around to unvoting yet.

Unvote: gonanno

- Why you freaking out about CA's vote?

I wouldn't call it freaking out at all. I don't see how he had a strong reaction to it at all.

Oh wow, I get to claim.

I am not a protective role.

I popcorn to Elleran.

Also, I really don't like the triple bandwagon vote at the end of the last page.

Vote: AlmasterGM

[AGar]

@MOD: Where is Hoopla's vote in the most recent VC?

Look closer. :p

[AlmasterGM]

Also, I really don't like the triple bandwagon vote at the end of the last page. Vote: AlmasterGM

...

I was the FIRST one of the three.

[Elleran]

My turn to claim! I'm not a protection role either.

Popcorn to Hoopla.

[Hoopla]

My turn to claim! I'm not a protection role either.

Popcorn to Hoopla.

I've done it. Read the game and pick someone else.

[gonnano]

Just would like to interject here that I feel very good about an Elleran lynch if we don't get a doc counter.

[Elleran]

I don't think lynching me is a good idea, gonnano.

Okay, then popcorn to gonnano.