Newbie 985 Game over

[DavidParker]

/conform.
Hi to those I already know

[DavidParker]

Typo? Of course not.

I was merely expressing my actual intent to blatantly fence-sit and town-follow in this game, and not express any original opinions or partake in any form of scum-hunting.

[DavidParker]

Ditto. (Nor would people consider me capable of qualified to do so)

[DavidParker]

A joke you say?!

[DavidParker]

/phew you guys let my slip-up slide.

[DavidParker]

Thundercats are GOOOOOOO!!!!!

[DavidParker]

VotE Zachrulez (IC)

am i doing this right?

[DavidParker]

wtf.... VOTE: Zachrulez (IC)

[DavidParker]

hmm lets try this...
VOTE: Zachrulez (IC)

[DavidParker]

VOTE zombEH-pUg

it's anti town to make ur random vote, 100% random

[DavidParker]

darn it.. i'm still not doing it right.

[DavidParker]

vOTe: zOMBeH-Pug

better i think. i used same as the one before that worked.

[DavidParker]

Thanks!!!!!!

[DavidParker]

guys chill with the walls, already!!! people are making serious votes out of nothing already...

i lol'd @ nikanor attacking zach for fence-sitting.

[DavidParker]

i'll bring the wires

[DavidParker]

haha i'm in australia too. trust me, i'm not worried about a quick lynch, and not voting is anti-town at this point.. Or at least not helping the town.

[DavidParker]

Oh trust me, I'm normally much more normal. Make of that what you will.

Also Zombeh, I didn't even realise your random vote was on me, I stopped reading when you said your vote was 100% random (translation, 100% useless)

[DavidParker]

Oh trust me, I'm normally much more normal. Make of that what you will.

Like when?

Like when I'm scaling Uluru with clients.

[DavidParker]

Do you have a problem with bi-polarity?

[DavidParker]

I adhere to no single meta.

[DavidParker]

I'm gonna go ahead and ignore those questions as they are entirely irrelevant. Let's stick to the subject at hand. Lynching scum!

[DavidParker]

Oh dear, I have one of those kinda crowds...

Back to the circus I go.

[DavidParker]

VOTE: TVELLALOTT

(COMPLETE WITH BOLD TAGS IN CAPS LOCK AS WELL)

[DavidParker]

Alright, I'm going to take a moment to do some explaining, in a rare moment of sanity for myself:

Tvellalot (for starters, your name sucks, offense intended), you just unvoted for no reason in particular. You voted zombeh for pressure (hint: don't tell people it's a pressure vote if it is, that defeats the purpose), then proceeded to FoS him (when you already had your vote on him... kinda pointless), and then proceed to unvote, without giving a reason, or voting for someone else.. We are early into day 1... The only way to get people talking and discussion moving to find scum (aka scum-hunting) is to use your votes, and ask people questions. I decided to explain all this rather than ask you mass questions since I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt since it's a noob game. With that said, if someone had $100 in their hands that they would give me for voting the scum-pair at this very moment, I would guess zombeh-pugna and tvellalott.

So here we go, children.

It's question time. Gather around, sit in a circle.

Tvellalott, you get to go first!

You said your initial vote was because you have seen other people do that in others games.. Why did you feel the need to tell us you were copying someone else? Why didn't you just be-yourself and play with some originality? Why did you FoS someone who you had voted for? Why did you unvote with no reason given, and why have you not used your vote?

Mr. Abe, you're up!!! Pick a card any card.. Oh wait, just take every card I give you:
Why did someone typing conform instead of confirm bother you?? Even if it is intentional what made you question it? (To be honest, I didn't think that would even get any discussion, but I'm glad it did) Also, [Heath Ledger] why so serious?[/Heath Ledger]. Now, like tvellyboy, you also stated you voted someone for pressure, what did you think you were accomplishing by putting your vote on him? Do you really think it pressured him? What do you think you claiming that it was "just" for pressure does to his reaction upon seeing your vote

@FakeGod: Why did you choose your username/What does it come from? And, you said you got "vote devices" ready when tvellyboy (yes, that's my new nickname for him) said I sounded scummy, but you never voted me, did you agree with him? What do you think of early bandwagons(scummy or not-scummy, pro-town or anti-town, etc)?

Now, who's next to ride the Ferris Wheel... Oh Kalofer, hop on in! This ride's on the house, since you helped me figure out how to use the "preview" function before. Do you find it scummy that I didn't answer your questions? What were you hoping to achieve with them and their answers? And, also, questioning "everything" is alright in theory, but don't post all your questions and re-questioning, as that's largely just WIFOM (look it up in the wiki if you don't know it already) so keep it to yourself, and don't use it as an argument (generally).

NashiNashiNashiNashiNashiNashi, oh I could on all day... Hi again!!! I do hope you're not planning on replacing out, we had such a good rapport going on in our other game. Such an atrocity it was though. Why do you think I'm weary of quick voting?? I'd rather people use their votes. Just that they do so with some regard to the consequences of them, and that people will be mutilated if they are reckless with them. Why do you think we should use our entire 3 weeks, is it really quality or quantity that matters?

Now, next in line to bungee jump off the Great Wall, is my good friend and associate, Nikanor! Now, dear Nikanor, why are you so set on not teaching people? In fact, I find it's easier to go about your agenda (whether that be a town-agenda or scum-agenda) if you do so by teaching people and explaining why something is so, and someone is that, and somehow is how. You mentioned zach was fence-setting but chose not to vote him? At this stage, why aren't you using your vote yet?

Having reached our destination of Hadjuborsomeny, Hungary, the next to disembark, is are friendly flight attendant, Zombeh-Pugna. Now, Zombeh-Pugna, opted to do a random-vote, that was entirely random.. What do you think the purpose of the RVS (random vote stage) is? Now, do you think your vote helped go about that purpose or was it just for the sake of it? Also, why didn't you role a 9-sided dice?

[DavidParker]

@Zach, consider yourself the "piggy in the middle", do you consider yourself worthy of not being interrogated?

(Quite the oxymoron I just created... Oh well)

[DavidParker]

Oh dear.

David Parker thinks Zombeh needs some teaching.

1) The purpose of RVS isn't "random voting" that is the action that occurs during RVS. What I asked is, WHY do people randomly vote? How does it help town? Why is it a stage used at all in the game?? I think once you figure out or read up on what the actual purpose behind RVS is, you will see why your vote, which was 100% random, is anti-town to a certain extent (although by bringing it up and attacking you for it, it has been a somewhat productive vote ironically).
2) The reason I asked about a 9-sided dice, was to included yourself in your random vote selection. If you were making it entirely random, why do you think not including yourself is necessary? It's random so including yourself shouldn't be an issue, to me that seems something scum are more likely to do (as self-voting draws negative attention), although I don't think it's necessarily a strong scum-tell that you only chose to randomize from other people.

[DavidParker]

Gather round kiddes, todays topic: RVS.

RVS, or Random Vote Stage, is the commonly accepted way to start of a Mafia Game. It's purpose is essentially to get discussion started and make people post at the start of day 1. With that said, votes are generally not random, and there is some (joke) reason behind them. Admitting to doing a purely random vote is kind of counter-productive, as we need to get discussion started, even if that kind of discussion, is "VOTE: ZACHRULEZZZZZZZ CUZ HES AN IC AND IF HES SCUM WE WILL LOSE CUZ EVERYONE WILL LISTEN TO HIM", that is a pro-town kind of first post to make. Whereas, saying "hey i rolled an 8-sided dice and it came up with "this name" so I'm going to vote for him is anti-town, because there's no discussion there, its just you playing along and conforming to the way mafia is played here, but not really trying to help find scum.

Didn't explain because you were in a hurry?!?! in future, you should probably say, "will explain later" or simply unvote later when you have time to explain.. i'm still not buying it.

Consider my vote on Tvellalott a "serious" vote now, rather than a vote apart of the RVS.


Also guys, FakeGod is town.

[DavidParker]

I rubbed my magic 8 ball.

[DavidParker]

Ok, time to put some pressure on the person I think is acting very suspicious... DavidParker!
I love how you analysed everyone based on nothing but the fact that you omitted yourself reminds me of an old proverb...
"When you point the finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you!"
I think you're scum and you're gradually building up a false case against me in an attempt to get a townie lynched in the first round.
A clever play, but I see RIGHT through it, bud.

VOTE DavidParker

but oh my god u suck!!!!!!!


It seems people haven't learnt there lesson, if you want to further pressure someone by voting them, don't tell them it's for pressure.. Oh dear.

[DavidParker]

who bothers to re-read the thread this early into day 1 when there's no point in doing so? Seems like someone fishing for town-points.

Re-reading the thread is something you do after you get more information (ie: after a lynch/nightkill) doing it now is pointless.

@mod

I think its time for a prod or two?? don't remember zombeh's last post.

[DavidParker]

nvm just saw his v/la

[DavidParker]

vacation / leave of absence ( i think)

aka he's not around to post.

[DavidParker]

i was really planning on enjoying this game and role-playing some more as well as putting in some more awesome works of fiction of mine, but you guys have proven to be relatively boring and thus shall not pursue further.

(to whoever asked before, i am a writer already, just a not-so-successful or good a writer)

Anyways,

@people who's not voting: please vote whoever you think is scum, or I'll take your stance as pro no lynch

Hmm, well.

Vote: No Lynch

[DavidParker]

Vote: Zachrulez

[DavidParker]

My reason for voting for you is because you voted for me over 163, which was obviously a joke vote by me. I guess it's a form of "OMGUS" but really, I'll explain my vote on you as going after an "easy target". I presented something, which was really easy to attack and blatantly scummy to the point where it wasn't scummy (yes WIFOM intended) and you took the bait.

I committed my position to a tvellalott vote and stood by it until now.


As for making more questions that statements, maybe you should do a quick iso of me (I just did one of myself because i didn't buy it):

I started discussion by joking about my /conform
I then provided a vote on zombeh for doing a 100% random vote, defeating the purpose of RVS to some extent, or at least how I see it (if a vote is 100% random it serves no point, even if a vote has a joke reason it can at least help get discussion/scum-hunting started)
I then quasi-defended zach when nikanor made some bogus claim of him fence sitting on page 3 or 4 or something.
I then counter'd nashi who thought I was wary of a quick-lynch/throwing around my vote because of our previous game with 2 quicklynches.. I'm not wary of a quick lynch, I think people should be voting for something, and not feel they have to use caution all the time.

In fact, I just reached by ONE post where i asked people questions, and what do you know, it's only one post where I even interrogate people and ask lots of questions..

Not commiting to a position? I stated my position that I find fakegod to be town. I didn't provide reasoning because it's not something easily put into words so I'm not going to try. He is town though.


That's a terrible case the two of you have on me, apart from my "no lynch" vote which was as much a joke to get discussion about it more than anything.

And as an IC, shouldn't you be explaining to these new players why we aren't going to no lynch today? Bear in mind, it is some of their first mafia games probably.

[DavidParker]

If you had voted for me with an explanation of why no lynch is bad, I probably wouldn't have voted for you. But all you did was vote for me, and save the reasoning for later, and to me it seems like you were going to try push a bandwagon on me, by not explaining right away. The pro-town thing to do, would have been to explain why no lynch is bad, and voted for me because of that. As it is, 2 posts later, you still haven't stated that a nolynch is a terrible day 1 result. I guess, I'm the one to state it, not going into why right now, but feel free to

[DavidParker]

explain why no lynch is bad

[DavidParker]

I still stand my vote for you DavidParker. You've vote hopped off me because no one else was buying your ploy and now you're trying to build yet another false case. I say you talk too much.

Wait a second, other people are going to explain my votes now??

Last time I checked, I'm the only one capable of explaining my own votes... Oh, and here zach said we were playing with a group of capable players!

[DavidParker]

I'm going to be honest and say that I may have some experience, but the "SE" title by my name does not imply I'm more capable than anyone else in this game, nor do I have a set plan as to what I'm doing this game (no set plan ever works, so why have one). I take things as they come.

If you think I'm scummy because of the way I'm acting, you shouldn't use my status as a reason not to vote me; it's not stopping me from voting our IC!

[DavidParker]

Error. Please try again.

[DavidParker]

I know it's hard, the feeling of thinking you have played alright as scum Kalofer, but this just isn't your game, how about you make it easy and tell us who your scum partner is?

[DavidParker]

But I have 0 votes on me. Clearly I'm town.

[DavidParker]

haha, i was trying to force a scum claim (or a quasi-scum claim). He seemed to have not denied it or tried to defend himself (FINALLY) in #203.

195/198/202 all seem like him agreeing to being scum... I don't get it.. I want to believe his town (in fact in trying to force a scum claim, i actually believed he was town....) but his response was pure scummy. I'm convinced zach is scum, that's the only thing stopping me from voting Kalofer atm... (and him finally semi-denying being scum in 203)

I'm not ready for a hammer, and I know how games like this work, where a hammer could happen from town or scum because of the attrocious way kalofer has responded to pressure. So i'm going to keep my vote on sure-scum zach, as opposed to very-likely-scum kalofer.

[DavidParker]

And fakegod, i agree that often supporting a wagon but not putting a vote there is scummy, but with the "OMG THAT GUY IS SO SCUMMY" kind of wagon, a hammer could happen VERY QUICKLY, and you should be careful about putting them at L-1. that's why i haven't voted kalofer. (and because zach is definitely scum)

[DavidParker]

yeah, if i was zach-scum, i'd do the same, after kalofer's actions.

and zach, have u not been reading any of my posts?

I have this 8 ball.

It is magical.

[DavidParker]

And why do you want to believe Kalofer is town after he basically claimed scum? That doesn't make any sense. If someone's pretty much claimed scum (As he has done.) AND THEY AREN'T SCUMHUNTING AT ALL YOU LYNCH THEM. It's simple.

and, i'd still like an actual claim, and more day 1 discussion.

[DavidParker]

yeah, if i was zach-scum, i'd do the same, after kalofer's actions.

and zach, have u not been reading any of my posts?

I have this 8 ball.

It is magical.

You're ignoring a very obvious possibility here.

my 8 ball was right about fakegod and shall be right about you!

[DavidParker]

kalofer is this ur first game of mafia, have u played any on other sites, what experience do u have with the game?

[DavidParker]

i would like a fair assessment of kalofer's induction into the mafia community before rushing into lynch him. to me it seems possible he is noob-town, who thought he was legitimately dead and ppl were gonna bandwagon him, and wanted to know where he went wrong. with that said, i'm leaning towards newb-scum, but still unsure.

[DavidParker]

Hey Parker, you still there?

If you could assign a percentage to how likely you think it is that I'm scum, that would be great.

100%

[DavidParker]

Being dead-set on lynching one person this early into day 1 is anti-town approach to the game. It doesn't help us find the scum if he does flip town. A recent game of my (nashi was in), a player (Good and Honest) was the sole focus of discussion on day 1 and everyone just wanted him lynched. He flipped town. Day2 arrived, town had no idea who scum were, and had no information from day 1 that was even useful..

[DavidParker]

you're not helping your case kalofer.

Also, how can i be scum tvell, no one is voting for me! clearly i'm pro-town.

[DavidParker]

I should start a wiki page "David Parker's Magic 8 Ball-Like Scum Tells"

1. Multi-quoting.
Lynch anyone who multi-quotes. Especially if they aren't responding to multiple questions. If it is just multiple counter-remarks, they are definitely scum.

Zach is our first scum.

[DavidParker]

Nikanor is town.

[DavidParker]

Zombeh-Pugna: Ask again later
NashiNashi: Better not tell you now
Abe: Cannot predict now
tvell: Concentrate and ask again

Seems it doesn't want to tell me anything...

[DavidParker]

the magic 8 ball doesn't have feelings.. what do you think it's some kind of gimmick??!??!?!

[DavidParker]

And david didn't answer the question asked in #277:

DavidParker: What do you base that on?

The Magic 8 Ball of course.

[DavidParker]

And speaking of David, da hell is he?

I'm around, just my 8 ball is in the repair shop so I don't have anything to add right now.

[DavidParker]

How's that OMGUS on me working out for you Zach?

[DavidParker]

akajring fragogt shit ashfkr.g ;zach scurmq dfi3tnitly.

[DavidParker]

frk.

what im sayig. is zach is scum and we should kill him. i have nowledge beyond all your years nyongungs and that sya he scum. kthx.

[DavidParker]

Hi Guys!

I'm back, and more coherent than ever.

I like the discussion that has been generated on day 1. With 5-6 days til deadline we need to start moving towards a hammer. What does this mean? It doesn't mean just bandwagoning, it means EVERYONE putting down your vote on who you find really scummy, or at least one of your top 2 or 3 suspects. Hopefully this will lead to a predominant wagon, and before we lynch that person we can get a claim.

With that all said, I almost am moving my vote to my other big scum read, but right now it's staying on Zach!

[DavidParker]

Reason: I will admit to tunneling him and focusing on him greatly. That has been because in all my newbie games IC's are always the hardest to read, they have 2 jobs, to teach and to win. Sometimes these two can conflict, other times they just make it impossible to read them. I think the way zach has reacted to me constantly painting him as scum is more likely to be a scum response than town response. With that said, everyone should vote for themselves, but you all NEED to vote now.

[DavidParker]

I lol'd.

In case you hadn't noticed I have done the exact opposite of flying under the radar this game. And 0 votes on me! WHOOP WHOOP!

In fact, I might adopt this new playstyle as all my other games I seem to get to L-1 on day 1 for scummy behaviour...

[DavidParker]

I was merely using it as a cover to make accusations/defend people without having to put legitimate reasons to it (as there aren't always reasons), and also because telling everyone all your suspicions and reads isn't necessarily a pro-town thing to do, as it tells scum who to leave alive. Voting alone is all the information needed to give others about who you find scummy.

And zach, I bring it up because it's such a ridiculous and pointless claim to make, but no one seemed to even take my bait (the "oh i'm definitely town cuz noone votes for me" claim). I know how fast things like that can change

Unvote: Zachrules

[DavidParker]

Vote Kalofer

The guy quasi-claimed scum. He is to go.

And I don't mind FakeGod, I'll ignore you too since you are town.

[DavidParker]

In case you didn't notice zach, I'm the one who forced his scum-claim there... I already explained why I pressured you.

[DavidParker]

Honestly, I had a fairly scummy read on zombeh initially, and was thinking of switching my vote from zach to him recently, but did a quick iso on him, and everything there gives me a town read on him, Nikanor. What do you find scummy about him?

And Kalofer, basically this is how I understand the events that happened:

People voted you for finding something about you scummy..
You reacted by saying "what did I do wrong?" (without defending yourself)
I said something along the lines of, "oh too bad, better luck next time when you are scum"
You didn't deny being scum, just kept asking about what you can do better to not seem scummy. (ie: semi-claiming scum, imo a town-player here would have denied being scum)

Zach points out more or less how you claimed scum, and gets you under pressure. You finally then deny being scum once you realize you aren't definitely being lynched. It seems you only denied being scum once you realized you weren't being lynched (yet). You are a player who has to be lynched sooner or later, and won't make it to LYLO. With that said, you are also very likely to flip scum at this point (at least from my POV), and because of all this, you will make the best lynch today. (sorry zach, i'll get you tomorrow)

[DavidParker]

I think you need to check your sarcasm-detector.

Also, I love how you keep saying "your case".

[DavidParker]

So is Kalofer your scum buddy then zach? That's why you are using a single quote on me where you claim I'm using a 7 page old case of yours to vote someone (LOL) and because I already find you scummy regardless of flip. Right now, if Kalofer flips scum, I find it likely you are scum. If he flips town, I find it likely you are scum simply by process of elimination (as there is one less townie), although him flipping town wouldn't affect my read on you much, but him flipping scum would (You attacked him for something very scummy that normally an experienced player wouldn't let go of, but now you are happy to let him slide when he claimed scuM? Yeah right. I've already explained why i waited to vote him. I was always planning on voting him by the end of the day).

[DavidParker]

are you daft???

[DavidParker]

Translation: See Post 399

Explanation (since I assume you are): How can anyone be 100% sure anyone is scum? Unless I am your scum-buddy I have no way of knowing you are 100% scum.

As stated, see #399.

[DavidParker]

Face it, the only thing that's really changed from right before the point you unvoted me was the viability of the wagon. Why push hard to convince people I'm scum when you can back off once it's apparent I'm not likely to get past 3 votes when you can just adapt and focus your efforts on someone who you might be able to lynch without as much effort.

Because we are 3 (?) days from deadline and need to make sure we get a lynch. That's why.

And as stated, I was always intending on switching my vote to Kalofer.


Cool, you expected an honest answer... Guess what, I didn't give one.

[DavidParker]

@mod

: When is deadline? I remember you stating it, but it is not on page 1 or on recent vote counts (I'm used to seeing it in one of those two places!). So please verify and maybe include said information either in votecounts or at least on page 1/daystart posts.

[DavidParker]

Your main point in your case against me is a post I made that was blatantly sarcastic.

[DavidParker]

I find it scummy that you are voting for me for "unhelpful" behavior (even if anti-town at time), when there has been behavior that you admitted was "scummy" behavior. So you'd rather vote for anti-town behavior as opposed to scummy behavior?? Seems scummy to me.

I think you'll find my scum-hunting has been more impressive than most people in here, and a lot of my comments have sparked discussion in fact.

[DavidParker]

Time to sleep since it's 3am and I have work tomorrow.

Just to make it clear.

FoS: Zachrulez

For his recent actions and contradictions and just general inconsistencies in his play.

Vote: Kalofer

For giving up/semi-claiming scum and just playing a very poor game. Regardless of alignment, you will have to be lynched before LYLO.

[DavidParker]

@Mod

: Requesting Kalofer be modkiller.

[DavidParker]

EBWOP: Modkilled*

[DavidParker]

Explanation: not only bringing up an ongoing game, but using it to defend himself in this game. Blatant disrespect for rules, and using it to create an unfair advantage.

[DavidParker]

Nvm, i'm now sure of it.

Vote: zachrulez

You guys can go stuff yourselves if you're expecting a claim.

[DavidParker]

i requested it cuz i find him scummy and he used a method not allowed to defend himself. ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. ever.

[DavidParker]

no

[DavidParker]

i'm happy to continue my anti-town behavior, since apparently that's worse than scummy behavior!

[DavidParker]

Reminder: Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief "Bah!"-type post.

[DavidParker]

Reminder: Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief "Bah!"-type post.

[DavidParker]

"bah"

sorry for posting opinions during twilight, was under the impression i could based on rules, apparently i can't

[DavidParker]

i thought abe was scum too by his erratic play on the last day.

and voting at the very start of the day in LYLO is not smart. doesnt matter how sure u think kalofer is scum.

[DavidParker]

is town* i mean.


Also, I was so sure Nashi would flip scum

He reaked of scum compared to the last game I played with him when he was town.

[DavidParker]

As said early on, I don't adhere to any single meta. I play all games somewhat differently and experiment a little. I'm surprised there was such a quick turn around, as a I jokingly pointed out on numerous occasions day 1, noone is voting me, I'm clearly town!!!! then within a page or so I was suddenly hammered. That actually surprised me, I'm sad my twilight post got erased, it basically said Nashi+Nikanor are probably scum. Zach is probably town despite all I've said.

[DavidParker]

I figured with the way I played I'd either be day 1 lynched or night 1 killed ahha. Sadly, the former happened. Anyways, I was following the game all along and got so frustrated people weren't lynching Nashi, my tunnel-vision was rather surprised when you flipped town.

I don't think I was the best day 1 lynch, but at the same time what is a good day 1 lynch? At times I pointed to a Tvell lynch day 1, but I didn't try too hard to get suport for it. Had I been more persistant and less erratic it may have happened but that just goes to show how these games can be decided over such small decisions.

[DavidParker]

Well the difference is, I was dead, so you were safe to play how you liked regardless of my presenece... Whereas I was playing how I did knowing fully well there was someone still in the game who had played with me before.