Newbie 976 - Game Over.

[Zorblag]

Vote Count 1.7

The numbers by the voters indicate the order in which the vote was cast. If two or more players are tied for the most votes to lynch at the deadline the tiebreaker will be the player who has the earliest active vote.

Nobody Special: 3: Friend (17), gandalf5166 (18), Aspen (20)
gandalf5166: 1: theperson (7)
koch: 1: DavidParker (19)
DavidParker: 1: Framm 18 (21)

Not voting: koch, Nobody Special, startansmission

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch. Currently Nobody Special would be lynched at Deadline. Deadline is 12:00 PM EDT/9:00 AM PDT on Saturday, July 17th. Countdown Timer.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Friend]

Oh I see you also haven't thrown down a vote on a member of your lurker scumteam.

[Nobody Special]

Still didn't answer me about the change of heart on Aspen btw.

Yes, after my analysis, I'm leaning less scum-read on Aspen.

I don't know how to be more clear.

[Friend]

lrn2read please. You went from "I found you a scum" to "oh welp he's not scum." I asked you about the specific reasoning behind that.

[Nobody Special]

I'll have to tell you tomorrow. Brain fade tonight.

[Friend]

Kay. Good night.

[theperson]

OK, I got back. Now to read through. A lot has happened, I'll try to get a post up soon.

[Aspen]

(Ninja'd) Okay, Friend, I think I found what you were wanting.

Secondly, your Aspen vote seems off. You say this:

I think Aspen needs to get in here and contribute

Then, when he does come in and contribute (well not really contribute, but say something) you vote him. So...when he does what you ask him to, it's scummy? If he had continued to lurk, would you have thrown your vote down?

When Aspen showed up, he didn't contribute much ...if anything. And yes, I still would've voted Aspen had he not shown up and continued to lurk.

Lurking is scummy, Active Lurking is even worse. What Aspen did was Very Active Lurking.

I'm not very good at explaining myself. Apologies. I go mainly on intuition.
But I disagree with everything you just said. And I'm almost positive you're scum.

[Nobody Special]

@Aspen: It's not a question of explaining yourself; it's a question of activity. When you are being discussed, especially when you haven't posted for a while, and then you suddenly show up to defend that position of not lurking, it just seems opportunistic.

Does that make sense?

lrn2read please. You went from "I found you a scum" to "oh welp he's not scum." I asked you about the specific reasoning behind that.

After re-reading myself in iso, I find that, you're right, I didn't explain it. To explain now, I decided that he wasn't as scummy as I initially had thought. My focus is now on ST.

Oh I see you also haven't thrown down a vote on a member of your lurker scumteam.

I hadn't been ready to vote; I was just letting you know my reads because you asked for them.

I don't like (yep, another thing I don't like) how your only scumreads are lurkers. ST has obviously been busy - maybe he should have replaced out, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he comes back and posts. You're still posting IIoA, by the way. It's waay easier for scum to post ISO reads like that than it is for scum to actively scumhunt.

ST can't replace out (being the IC) -- so he really needs to get back in here and participate.

And, if you had bothered to read my question answers, you'll know I firmly believe in lynching lurkers. Yes,

generally

someone else presents as scummier, but in this case, no.

I'm really pretty sure at this point that ST is scum.

My weekend horrorshow is over. I'm off to go get blasted. I have the next three days off, and I have some comments.

While I don't expect players to be chained to their computer and have this website on an intravenous feed like I do (sometimes), I do expect a bit of contribution.

Here, we see that ST hasn't posted for almost 24 hours, after explicitly stating he had comments to make..

Let's apply a bit of pressure.

Vote: startransmission

[Friend]

I think ST does need some pressure, but it feels wrong coming from you.

And I'm pretty ICs can replace out, by the way.

[Nobody Special]

They can, but they shouldn't. And that's not exactly a discussion for this thread.

Why does it feel wrong coming from me? From where would you prefer it come?

[Friend]

Someone less scummy. It just seems to me like you have better things to than pressure lurkers.

I mean, as scum, if you decide you don't want to bus, you find an easy target. ST, who's consistently promised posts and hasn't really delivered, is the perfect easy target. He's sounded town otherwise, though. I don't know too much about ST's meta - is he known to activelurk like this as scum?

[Nobody Special]

I don't know. Admittedly, I'm basing a large part of this on his IC-ness. (I'm of the opinion that ICs should never lurk. [Wait. That could make it actual lurking. Pardon me while my head asplodes.])

I will grant you that I shouldn't be doing that, but for now, I'm okay with that.

Dammit, you have good points.

unvote

for now.


...

[Friend]

You know if you want to claim scum now, it would make this game a lot easier...

[DavidParker]

Ns, you aren't helping :/

[Nobody Special]

Touché.

[koch]

@NS- from what i just saw you do, you voted ST, and then remove it very quickly, citing that Friend made some good points, but the only points he made were that he did not think it was right that the pressure was coming from you and that it could be a scummy thing that your going after a lurker when your not un the best standing. where in friends posts are the good points that made you unvote?

[Framm 18]

@NS: Was that an admission of guilt, or what?

[startransmission]

Ok, reading up. Sorry this took as long as it did.

[DavidParker]

Alright, I have dedicated tonight and a few hours to reading through these game and posting actual input! So here's this game's turn.

NS vs Friend: Well it's quite clear who has "come out on top" if we are to declare a winner in this dual. I think Friend has caught NS out on a few points, and NS has admitted recently Friend has some good points. I think NS has been forced to backpeddle a bit and be a bit defensive, a position he's maybe not used to in these newbie games. It's actually been very useful to get a read on him. Right now, I'm leaning scum, but not convinced. As for Friend, well very pro-town for obvious reasons, has been at the heart of all discussion, if he's scum, he's a very capable and confident scum who must imagine he can talk himself out of everyone and plans on leading us into our doom. (A good check for a cop if we have one :/)

Early gandalf wagon: Well, not even a wagon. Gandalf freaks out (okay it wasnt a freak out ) at L-2 then NS unvotes. Koch justifies his vote perfectly well, there was no real problem with it.

The aspen pressure: well gets under pressure from NS for posting just after being talked about?!?!? What a no-tell... no real substance, but still if you want to pressure him based on it, that's fine, just can't really be used as a scum-tell. Good point to start probing him with though to some extent. OMGUS case on Friend is iffy, but really just comes more off as a noob-town, or a no-tell.

@Startransmission: Didn't notice this point regarding something I said before,

For the record, I have not been (in my recollection) in a game with DavidParker before. I have one other game going on currently, and he is not in it. I would not be inactive, nor would a game ever have successive quicklynches while I am the IC in it. Just saying. Furthermore, in 30 something games I have never seen a scenario as described by DavidParker in his post.

Not sure how much I'm allowed to say, but just check my current games if your further interested on my point.

So, who do I find scummy??

Well, I think from reading the thread and based on posts/evidence alone and people defending themself, the most probable scum is NS+gandalf

Biggest town read is probably from koch. Friend strikes me as just a bit too confident to safely write off as town :p

[Friend]

David, why is koch your biggest town read?

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, he really gives me more of a null-read than a town-read. I smell scumteam.

[Friend]

Scumteam between...

[gandalf5166]

DP and koch. Normally I would think that DP couldn't possibly be that stupid, but I played a couple of marathon games with him, and he quite possibly could be that stupid. I'm not sure whether he really is that stupid, or if it's something he puts on so that you can't get a good read on him, but it would not surprise me if he threw in koch's name just because he was his partner.

[DavidParker]

between me and koch apparently, because i would really claim my scum partner as my ONLY town read.. (yes, wifom intended, wifom is really somewhat overused and sometimes necessary to point out -_- )

koch's defences of himself and reasons for his votes at time have just given me a vibe that they really seem genuine and he has constantly explained himself very well when questioned.