Mini 987: Alternative Vote Mafia- Ovah!

[Zachrulez]

From my understanding, ballots don't count unless they are publicly posted in the correct format.

[Zachrulez]

But we can still vote unofficially.

Like this.

Vote:Jack

[Zachrulez]

I think lack of attention to the rules is at least slightly more likely to come from scum.

[Zachrulez]

I think lack of attention to the rules is at least slightly more likely to come from scum.

Vote: Zach

until you give an explanation.

The "scum don't pay attention" line is just a lazy attack and is bogus as far as the meta of this site goes. Moreover, there is no theory reason why scum should pay less attention - they have just as much need to be convincing and to avoid appearing to use craplogic.

Less incentive to. There's generally less need to read or pay attention to the game when you don't need to figure out who's what.

You think it's bogus? Explain to me why, cause your say so isn't something that's going to carry a lot of weight in my eyes.

[Zachrulez]

Also, I don't see a need to be convincing as something that's mutually exclusive to paying attention to everything.

[Zachrulez]

I see it as a slight tell. Admittedly not overly strong, but a good early vote IMO.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Pom

Reaction to my Jack vote is interesting. Also seems more willing to discuss game theory than actually scum hunting.

[Zachrulez]

I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and therefore

not

reading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?

Hmmm. It seems I missed this. I don't think that not-reading the rules is a nulltell. However, I don't think one little thing like this is nearly enough to lynch Pom.

Vote:

Jack for being annoying

Vote:

jason for ... being jason

NonVote:

volkan for being obvtown

Non-ascertained at this point: Anon, Elli, Pom, TBM.

Zach gets half a

Vo

te.

Is annoying a scumtell?

Also, how is Jason being Jason, and how is it scummy?

[Zachrulez]

Also Pom, why are you voting for me again? I can't really comprehend any reason other than the fact that your vote feels like it's a retaliation to mine.

[Zachrulez]

Jason is not being as proactive as I would expect him to be.

Pretty much everything I've seen from him is just defending himself, and just noticing a lack of proactive scumhunting from him otherwise, which is something I've come to expect from town Jason.

Don't really like Shattered Viewpoint much either. I don't feel like he's done a particularly good job backing up his reasoning for his suspicions.

Pom's also been off V/LA since yesterday unless I missed something.

[Zachrulez]

In the process of finding my topics.

Stand by.

[Zachrulez]

Official Ballot:

1. Pomegranate
2. jasonT1981
3. Shattered Viewpoint
4. Anon
5. Ellibereth
6. Jack
7. TheButtonmen
8. vollkan

[Zachrulez]

That's pretty much where I've been at since the weekend and I don't see it changing much between now and the deadline, particularly with the current game state such as it is.

[Zachrulez]

Hmfh.
ZACHY, How similar did you think that looked to ME vs. NETO from whatever game that was?

It's a different game and a different situation. It's also premature to be calling distancing of any kind. That is the kind of thing you look for after someone has flipped scum.

[Zachrulez]

Let's see. Pom's contributed relatively little more than to question my attack on Jack. Votes me in direct response to calling her out on that. Backs off once she realizes how bad that would look, and since then has been posting... very... little at all, more or less seeming content to just stay quiet and wait for all the pressure that she's earned to just go away, so that someone like you Vollkan, can then come and question why I'm still attacking her for some early theory issue. It's beyond that theory issue now. She's not doing ANYTHING. (Except asking questions about or to Jason, the player who's gotten the most attention besides herself.)

Jason's pretty much in the same place with his lack of contribution, but I don't think he's taken any kind of position or said anything that would allow me to even remotely begin to get a read on him. (Which might be saying something in and of itself.)

As it is, only one person can be lynched at a time, and I still prefer pom the most. Pom's lurking while in the spotlight is a little bit more inexcusable than what Jason is doing right now.

[Zachrulez]

Let's provide a demonstration of exactly what's been in Pom's posts the last 10 days or so.

I thought it was tomorrow too...

Wait, did you not just commit your own scumtell? Who didn't read

again

?

Doesn't follow up on this.

Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

Explains absence from game... 4 days later.

Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

WAITWAT.
I'M VERY CONFUSED BY THE P-FRUIT SISTER AGE TIMELINE NOW.

I assumed elementary.

Yes. And I think I need to reread what the mod wrote about deadline, because I am severely confused by it.

Fluff.

Real post later.

How much later?

So Anon's scum eh?

I disagree with you. He is not obvtown but its still early. How did you get to that conclusion?

Personally, I think that I thought you were scummy, but I can't remember if I did.

I NEED ISO DAMNIT

Basically says nothing.

Oh, I and I can't remember why.

Says more nothing.

I NEED ISO DAMNIT

Sort posts by author can duplicate the effects of ISO.

Thank you. I will now 'iso' Anon.

And what did you learn from this iso?

Weekly V/LA.

...

So yeah Vollkan, I'm not sure how you can say the push on Pom doesn't make sense, or how you're characterizing my continued push on her as me doing it just because she's the popular target. She's the popular target for a REASON.

[Zachrulez]

If you'd read the game you'd know the answer to that question.

[Zachrulez]

Is there someone you're actually suspicious of at this point, or are you just going to keep asking questions devoid of any other insight?

[Zachrulez]

If you'd read the game you'd know the answer to that question.

I want it in your words; stop avoiding my question.

I'm suspicious of Jason, and I'm still waiting for a response to a question I posed to him on the previous page.

Here's what I have been doing.

[Zachrulez]

Zachrulez

I said before that I wasn't going to take apart his reasons because I wanted to see Pom's defence. That will stand. I will say I think they are very weak, but I'm not counting them as a major problem given the nature of this game. However, the points I raised in my previous "overanalysing" post do stand: his original attack on Pom over discussing theory rather than the game was absolutely untrue (the theory was directly relevant to Jack, he failed to apply this standard to other people, and he kept on Pom despite his suspicion on Jason being clearly stronger at some points, looking seriously like he was hedging his bets). 65

I'm doubting anyone else openly questioned a vote on the first page for theory reasons. And while that theory was relevant to Jack, I don't believe that Pom showed any interest in actually figuring out his alignment. Her questioning and theory to me looks like a player who's trying to appear active while not really doing anything. Discussing theory to justify a position on someone is acceptable, discussing theory for theory sake, while lurking and not seeming interested in reading anyone is scummy.

Also, I feel a bit misrepped on your claims that I had stronger suspicions of Jason. Just because

you feel they are stronger

doesn't mean I do. If I had felt that way, I would have changed my vote accordingly, and my ballot ordering would have reflected that.

[Zachrulez]

VOTE: Pome:

Should have lynched her yesterday.

[Zachrulez]

I just use it cause I'm lazy and it's less work. (It probably wouldn't take that much effort to change it to display like votes typically do.)

[Zachrulez]

VOTE: Pome:

Should have lynched her yesterday.

Please clearly explain why you want me lynched today.

I clearly explained it yesterday. My reasons have not changed.

[Zachrulez]

Zach, pretend I have an innocent on Pommy: then who's scum?

Shattered Viewpoint and Vollkan.

[Zachrulez]

Ummm... why should the doctor claim again?

[Zachrulez]

I'm just worried there's some way that this could go horribly wrong. Particularly if Elli's actually not town.

Anyway, I would be the doctor. I protected Jack N1

[Zachrulez]

Not sure what I need to say. Obviously we have a guaranteed scum lynch no matter what happens, so the choice is either me or Pom, so she's obviously going to be at the top of my ballot. I just need to think things over to figure out where everyone else fits in.

[Zachrulez]

Official Ballot:

1. Pom
2. Vollkan
3. SV
4. Elli
5. TBM
6. Jack

[Zachrulez]

^ Does it even matter at this point though?

[Zachrulez]

Argh

[Zachrulez]

Oh sure, deprive me of my hope for a modkill.

[Zachrulez]

No point in hiding it now, as I have effectively been hammered and die in two days. I lost interest in posting in this game a long time ago.

[Zachrulez]

While we're at it, who's you scumbuddy?

Have fun trying to figure that out.

[Zachrulez]

There was actually no plan to fakeclaim the way it happened. I did it spontaneously to attempt to save myself, and I have no idea why Pome countered me... but once my lynch became inevitable, I just rolled with it.

[Zachrulez]

I think Pom claimed because she was next in line to be lynched after Zach, so all his fake claim had done was to move suspicion from one scum to the other.

I think Shattered was pretty high on the list after me... but missing the kill was pretty disastrous and forced a lot of scrambling.

I remember planning to send the kill in on Monday night, but something came up and I just forgot about it.