Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[nhammen]

i haven't noticed cuttlefish's recap.

I... don't know what to say about this...

Because kunk voted manho yesterday too. He turned my single vote into two, and stated that he liked a manho wagon. Your case against me is that I was trying to start a counter-wagon. kunk was doing the same thing. Why are you suspicious of me but not kunk, when we have been exhibiting the same behavior? Behavior that you state is scummy enough for a vote.

I don't believe you and kunk didn't behave the same way yesterday at all.

Please draw up the list of parallels for me.

Ugh!

You said your reason for thinking I am scum here:

Anyway the nhammen vote is because he tried to start a counterwagon and distract from the Monkey lynch.

Well, let's look at my vote and kunk's vote:

Actually,

vote manho

You were trying to make sure that first lynch went down before people had a chance to comment on Zazie being a Cop. And for the people that did get this chance, you pushed the "Zazie does not look like a Cop" argument to convince them to get the wagon done just that much faster.

I still like the manho wagon. He's been following along the easy lynch wagons both days, and even went to say the contradiction that he thought orto was not scum but still worthy of a lynch. He then jumps on today's monkey wagon without any input from himself.

Vote: manho.

Both of us were voting for manho rather than Monkey. Both of us claimed to have thought manho was scummier. And yet, you only attack me, but not kunk? Why is there a difference in your views?

Pom needs to answer this:

Could you tell me why you think my case for manho being town is wrong?

I actually forgot that Zang was in the game. A quick search of him shows that he's been making about twenty posts per day in Mishmash and his other games.
Zang hasn't made a content post in this game in 15 days. Combine that lurking with Zang's terrible hammer on day one, and we've got ourselves lurkerscum. Also of note is that Zang hasn't even placed a vote since his hammer on day one. I find that much worse than Pom's sheeping.

Unvote. Vote: Zang.

Zang has been lurking too much for me to get a read on him. I agree that the D1 hammer was scummy. And since there is so little other content from him, that means the majority of his content is scummy. So I can agree with this case about Zang. On Day 2 I looked at that and thought no scum would be stupid enough to do that. But after multiple Days with no useful content, my read has changed.

vote Zang

HAY kunk nhammen thinks you're suspicious for voting manho yesterday. What's your response?

Ooooh! I hate when people misrep me. I said this:

Although, if manho is Town, then kunk's actions yesterday look like deflecting from Monkey on to manho, and then bussing Monkey at the end.

You see that first part about "if manho is Town"? Yeah. That's important. If manho is scum, kunk looks fairly Townie. And I am still indecisive about manho at the moment.

As for why I am attacking you? It's because me and kunk did the SAME THING, but you are only suspicious of me. I do not yet find the actions either one of us have done very suspicious, but since you do, why only one of us?

Its not guaranteed, but if we lynch Pom AND Pom is scum depending on a few other bits there may be a path to freedom ahead.

I'm not going to spoil it though. If I'm right they get to deal with killing the miller and someone else putting the pieces together OR watching the miller superbomb the game with fabulous prizes.

Yea. Unless ani and PZ pulled a truly magnificent one on me I think a Pom scumflip might be road home.

Does your plan still work if Pom flips Town?

I know maybe I shouldn't claim now. But I will, since I think it could be useful, and the response will be interesting.

I am Rayfrost, and basically, if I'm lynched, the day continues.

Let discussion ensue.

Well, I believe this claim. It's too far original not to be believed. Of course the question is, would this role be Town or Scum? I can believe both. As Town, it provides a benefit of essentially removing a Night. As Scum, it is their equivalent to a Beloved Princess. But why would scum willingly claim this? Too much WIFOM there.

So Spyrex, how does this affect your plan?

This means we lynch Pom and then get more discussion.

Anyne not voting on the Pom wagon after this is scum.

What if someone believes Pom to be Town? Are they still scum for not voting Pom?

She's at L-1 correct? I don't wanna hammer before her post.

I don't think she is, but I'm not entirely sure.

[SpyreX]

I've got a backup plan if Pom is town (and the last few posts really make me sad and think she's gonna be town but I digress).

I'll freely admit its not near as AWESOME as the other but.

[nhammen]

Could your plan be enacted in the event of someone else's flip? Someone that there is less of a Town read on?

[SpyreX]

Ehhhh not with that claim. It has to go.

And the perfect circle of mysteries around it should shake out SOMETHING.

Totally upfront though - a town flip here is far more of an uphill struggle than a scum one.

[Papa Zito]

Ugh!

XD I'mma make you work, son.

Both of us were voting for manho rather than Monkey. Both of us claimed to have thought manho was scummier. And yet, you only attack me, but not kunk? Why is there a difference in your views?

Because

1. You started the wagon and
2. You never left it.

and the last few posts really make me sad and think she's gonna be town but I digress).

Yes.

[nhammen]

1. You started the wagon and
2. You never left it.

1. And kunk joined it. 1 player by itself does not make a wagon. He was trying to start it too.
2. kunk left it at L-2. I was ready to at L-1. Not too much of a difference there. I admit, I had to wait until after Monkey's terribad claim before I was willing, and kunk did not have to wait.

[Papa Zito]

Oh look. Pom didn't deliver. The sun rises in the east you say?

The case on Pom is her lack of content? I have a strong town read on her based on what she asked me not long ago. If she's a hated townie, I'm keeping my vote on manho come tomorrow.

I

want

to get into the kunkstar concern, but.. I can't put my finger on it. There's nothing about him that sticks out.

Zang was another curious case. I mentioned this nagging feeling about him I had, but, honestly, manho looks better for a scum candidate.

This is a bad, bad post.


You had opportunity to leave, nhammen, before kunk jumped ship but chose to stay on. I realize you said you were going to hammer but actions > words. But it doesn't look like you're getting lynched so.

[manho]

is pom having v/la now or she will be having v/la soon.

[manho]

it should be a "?" instead of a "." in the last post...

[dramonic]

Votecount 15: SOwwy!

Manho (3): Mask, Pom, Kunk
Nhammen (1): Zito
Pom (3): SpyreX, manho, ani
Zang (2): Cuttle, Nhammen

Not Voting (3): Reck, Zang, Starbuck

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is the 17th

[SpyreX]

Yea, no delivery. Hang this. This page.

I expect no less.

[Cuttlefish]

Unvote. Vote: Pomegranate.

I honestly don't want to wait until Friday for something that probably won't be worth the wait.
manho: She's now V/LA until Friday.

[manho]

Unvote. Vote: Pomegranate.

I honestly don't want to wait until Friday for something that probably won't be worth the wait.
manho: She's now V/LA until Friday.

i honestly don't think we can push this lynch before Friday.

[SpyreX]

Yes we can. And will. Or else.

[kunkstar7]

HAY kunk nhammen thinks you're suspicious for voting manho yesterday. What's your response?

Thoughts are if he does then he is being hypocritical. I recall seeing him admitting as much in one of his posts, so I'll dog him about it if he tries to push anything on that alone.

I know maybe I shouldn't claim now. But I will, since I think it could be useful, and the response will be interesting.

I am Rayfrost, and basically, if I'm lynched, the day continues.

Let discussion ensue.

I'm doing this because I'm am going to be V/LA for 2-3 days, from tomorrow morning until sometime Friday.

Assuming this claim is legit, (which I feel it is, it makes no sense for scum to fakeclaim a role that essentially guarantees town a free lynch), I see it as a town role, as the possible two scum in one day off of lynches alone is a lot more detrimental in one day than two town, numberwise. True Pom doesn't seem to be contributing much, but I can't in my right mind support a lynch that I see as probably flipping town.

@Spyrex:

Regarding this:

Damnit she's telling the truth. DAMNIT DAMNIT.

We're still lynching, mind you, but the salivating wolves have me all aflutter.

If you believe she is telling the truth, and I get the impression you think she might be town, why are we continuing the push for her lynch?

[Papa Zito]

^^^ Lots of Pom WIFOM. PomFOM.

[SpyreX]

If you believe she is telling the truth, and I get the impression you think she might be town, why are we continuing the push for her lynch?

Because it has to happen.

Further, not coughing up the info I asked for is bad news bears.

[Cuttlefish]

The thing is, even if you think Pom is town, there is no downside to lynching Pom today.
You can't argue that it makes us lose a lynch because it brings us from even to odd numbers.
You can't argue that it makes us lose a useful townie because, let's face it, Pom hasn't been useful to us in the past and there's no reason to believe she'll be useful in the future.
Just saying that you think Pom is town is not enough to stop this lynch, because again, there is no downside to lynching Pom, even if she's town.

[animorpherv1]

what CF said.

Now, more Pom lynching.

Ughh. why are so many people on this site so anti-rest of group?

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Pom

[Pomegranate]

V/LA until Friday, meant to say this last night.

I'd say manho and maybe ani scum, I dunno. I'm busy, but I feel bad. Let me day that I'm typing this on my itouch.

[Starbuck]

I am Rayfrost, and basically, if I'm lynched, the day continues.

Oh, when I'm lynched, I flip before the day continues; forgot that.

This means we lynch Pom and then get more discussion.

Agreed, but I am very wary of the people who are saying that she's town and she still should swing.




So, Reck, who are your top suspects and why?

[Papa Zito]

Agreed, but I am very wary of the people who are saying that she's town and she still should swing.

Your avatars are getting better and better.

I'm going with the "OMG scum would never claim that she must be town!" scum theory.

I still want to hammer. No Spy I don't get fabulous prizes from hammering.

[manho]

more pom vote please.

[Cuttlefish]

Agreed, but I am very wary of the people who are saying that she's town and she still should swing.

This is what I read from this:
"I agree that we should lynch Pom and then continue discussion. HOWEVER I think that the people who want to lynch Pom are suspicious. SO in order to make people gong for a Pom lynch look scummy without contradicting myself I'm not going to vote for Pom, EVEN THOUGH I AGREED THAT LYNCHING HER IS A GOOD IDEA."

I'm going to say that Pomegranate is probably going to flip town. However, as I've said, there is no downside to lynching her. Even if there's a 1% chance of Pom flipping scum, it's worth lynching her.
Now vote for Pomegranate. This is taking way longer than it should and I'm getting impatient.