It wont be because there is only aOh yes, because it wouldn't be obvious ANYWAY due to people staying awake during the day and suffering no ill effects.
I disagree, it gives a very small advantage to the town and a great advantage to the scum, who already have enough of an advantage.Organizing sleep schedules at the least puts town and scum at the same level of information, with scum having a slight edge
see how it says chance, I dont like the idea on relying on CHANCE that mafia don't sleep and are the only ones not to sleep and ALSO end up with their votes being fucked with of which there is only a CHANCE of.MOD wrote:3a. If a player stays awake for more than two consecutive phases, there is a small chance that the player's votes and actions will be either randomized or fail to occur.
3b. After four consecutive phases without sleep, the chance of the above events occurring greatly increases.
I dont fully understand how this works. Is there another way you could explain it? Why not have the scummiest players sleep at night, therefore, it they are scum, they are either forced to lie or unable to kill. If they are unable to kill yay for us. If they are lieing, we have them stay awake n2, then we can test their votes on d3. To see if they actually slept N1. What do people think?farside wrote: This is the only reason I find sleeping during the day over night better. Scum knows X is asleep so they target Y.
But also my plan says town finds X and Y scummy and says hey you need to sleep tonight and can't sleep during the day. I can see a loop hole if x is scum but not Y but if both are scum loop holes can be found. But my hope is if we think X and Y we just lynch one or the other the next day.
I would rather force those we find the scummiest not to sleep during the day.
Nice. Soo why are you vehemently going for sleep discussion if you think sleep discussion favors scum, hm?As it stands, I think scum have a greater edge on sleep knowledge.
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OH GASP! Town is organizing sleep patterns?! Whatever shall I do!? I did not sign up for a mini normal! I signed up for a mini-theme with sleepy cycles and shit! I'm so nervous about town being able to vote/use powers normally! I must stop them from organizing and giving me info on who to kill when!Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Okay so the town says hey I think you need to sleep tonight. The scum knows player is town and they don't have to worry about that player if he sleeps as requested.Kenman wrote:I dont fully understand how this works. Is there another way you could explain it? Why not have the scummiest players sleep at night, therefore, it they are scum, they are either forced to lie or unable to kill. If they are unable to kill yay for us. If they are lieing, we have them stay awake n2, then we can test their votes on d3. To see if they actually slept N1. What do people think?farside wrote: This is the only reason I find sleeping during the day over night better. Scum knows X is asleep so they target Y.
But also my plan says town finds X and Y scummy and says hey you need to sleep tonight and can't sleep during the day. I can see a loop hole if x is scum but not Y but if both are scum loop holes can be found. But my hope is if we think X and Y we just lynch one or the other the next day.
I would rather force those we find the scummiest not to sleep during the day.
OMG after I read your first post I was like. Where the hell did this aggression come from? Sorry? But I understand now, so it cool xD....I apologize to Kenman.
I misread. It is VasudeVa who is an idiot, and at this point obvious scum. I blended the two posts by scrolling too fast.
Please, Kenman, forgive me for abusing you, the abuse belongs to VasudeVa!
farside wrote:Nik: How can you agree with a a plan you don't understand? Why would you agree to something you dont' understand.
If that's the plan, I agree to it. I just feel that I'm missing something is all.Nik wrote:I thought I put this in my last post, but: The current plan is to assign half the town to sleep during the day, and the rest have to figure out when to sleep on their own time, right?
I did read the whole thing(Your ISO 36). You are not making sense. You said and I quote:Point one about favoring sleep discussion: OH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE MY FUCKING SENTENCES OUT OF CONTEXT LIKE AN IDIOT YOU'D REALIZE THAT I FIGURE THAT SCUM'S ADVANTAGE IS LESSENED BY HAVING TOWN KNOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING!
What scumhunting? In case you have minor stages of brain dementia: I'll remind you.Point two about scumhunting: Continuing the idiotic trend, WHY THE FUCK IS SLEEP DISCUSSION AT ALL DETRACTING FROM SCUMHUNTING? Maybe you'd use it as an excuse to not do so, but I think actualy TOWNIES probably are scumhunting AS sleep is discussed.
Sleep reveals who can take actions when. Sleeping people cannot have actions and therefore, can be killed at another day. Suppose that 1 claimed cop says that he needs to sleep the next night, scum will not NK him and NK someone else because they no longer fear being investigated. Therefore, they can NK him another time. And possibly use his survival to say he's scum. 'Hey claimed cop is still alive! Let's lynch!'What? Just...what? How does sleep at ALL reveal who has what powers and who's a good kill? It's pretty obvious most people have an item, and it's ALSO pretty obvious that if any vanilla townies exist, they'll be smart and schedule sleep to look like a power role. I already broke your third point.
Read above. By organizing sleep, we are giving away info to scum. I don't see how the info(if available) we gain from organizing sleep will help out town scumhuntwise. Is it really worth it to give that info to scum just to not have failactions/failvotes? Feel free to point out how this will be helpful beyond that, please.Now you see, your points in favor of NOT organizing sleep are also stupid. Points two and three, while decent, SAY THE SAME FUCKING THING. At BEST, you have a (half-assed) argument for not organizing being ON PAR with organizing.
I don't disagree with you that organization helps town. But see here, that failvotes/failPRs don't really matter much as long as we get scum lynched. Of course, I'll give you that you are one of them people who rely on PRs since your scumhunt is obviously bad.I feel that organization begets organization. If we get sleep to work, we can get many OTHER things to work where necessary, which is FAR more damaging to scum. Scum need CHAOS to win, and an organized town has a FAR better chance of winning.
Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!
Not if scum stagger skips in regards to themselves as a party. If there are two scum, they can stagger night phases with minimal loss to their effectiveness. Obviously, three scum makes it both A. Easier, and B. Allowing the two-scum setup to work with both a Kill and PR ability (for as long as it takes to get down to a legitimate twoscum setup, anyway).UncertainKitten wrote: As for scum lying, the sleep mechanic IS constructed as such so that scum can't lie for too long as long as we stick TO forcing them to sleep at night. They MAY be able to skip one night phase. Skipping two would be too dangerous for them.
No. Trap. Anything that significantly skews down the required amount for lynching is a bad move. The last thing town needs is for a minihammer to kick in unexpectedly fast, start accusing everyone on the wagon of being scum, and then finding only one out of however many over the course of several days. I mean, that IS usually how games wind up, but town only wins with particularly good scumhunters in that scenario. I know very little of any of you, and thus aren't particularly keen on that idea, especially noting my own MS capabilities.Nikanor wrote:I thought I put this in my last post, but: The current plan is to assign half the town to sleep during the day, and the rest have to figure out when to sleep on their own time, right?