Mini 964: Another Story - Over!

[Chevre]

SSBF: Oops, I forgot the ScummyScale part. As for that, I'm not sure how it's set up, like if it's 1 means twon, 5 is neutral, and 10 is scum, or if its 1 is lsightly scummy, and 10 is supermega scummy. On the first, I'd give a 4, on the second, a 2-maybe-3.

yabbaguy: I think you may be overstating my activity. Maybe in comparison to the rest of this game is active, but it isn't very active. I just want to mention this because you are using it as part of your case, and I think you are pushing too hard.

That being said...

Let's see who has been more active then Chevre in terms of posts counts

I hate measuring activity by post counts, because if it's a one-liner or a wall-post, they're both 1 post. Also, if you post a lot in one section of the game and lurk the way through, that's not being active. I'm not saying I have much more actual stuff, but if you are going to measure activity, do it not by post count, but intsead by content and MAYBE frequency (like, as in how far spread apart the posts are).

Good posting by SSBF.

Can you please tell us why his posts are sooooooooo good?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@Thief: I understand that I already explained why I found Dr. Cyanide was suspicious, but with your own reasons, I'd like for you to explain why Dr. Cyanide was suspcious. This is another instance where I'm feeling like you're jumping bandwagons. Let me reinforce the

FoS

on you.

[Thief]

I find Dr. Cyanide suspicious due to his lack of any content at all. Yabba has pointed out that I'm not paying attention and that Cyanide is absurdly V/LA which means nothing.

Null-tell yes, but I'm not going to let D1 (with my vote) without hearing from that slot. That's why I find my vote best put there.

Re: Chevre-Did you find that it was not good posting? I liked his analysis, that's all.
Re: Someone-Yes I am quite happy to wagon hop.

Especially

in a stalled out game like this.

[Azelf]

Yabbaguy: Please refrain from bolding confirm votes. In fact, please refrain from confirm voting at all. It's somewhat of a waste of time.
Super Smash Bros. Fan: Don't bold ____s of Suspicion.

The only reason you should bold something is if I need to see it, and I don't particularly need to see either of those things.

VOTES:

Chevre

-

1

(Cuetlachti)

Deer

-

0

Dr.Cyanide

Conspiciously V/LA

-

2

(Super Smash Bros. Fan, Thief)

Elias_the_thief

-

0

Empking

-

1

(Red Star)

RealityFan

-

1

(Chevre)

Red Star

-

0

MrSandman

-

0

Super Smash Bros. Fan

-

3

(Deer, Yabbaguy, Thief)

Thief

-

1

(Empking)

VibeBox

-

1

(Dr. Cyanide)

yabbaguy

-

0

No Lynch

-

0

You'll need at least

7 votes

to get someone lynched today.

[MrSandman]

I find Dr. Cyanide suspicious due to his lack of any content at all.

He said he was going away.

Your vote suggests that you are in favor of lynching someone for solely not posting. Is this true? I for one would rather try to find a better reason to lynch someone.

Why not just ask for Dr's replacement instead?

[Chevre]

Re: Chevre-Did you find that it was not good posting? I liked his analysis, that's all.

It was activity, yes, but I'm not sure I thought it was good. I don't think it was so good as to someone posting that exact sentiment and switching their vote to match.

[Chevre]

Re: Chevre-Did you find that it was not good posting? I liked his analysis, that's all.

It was activity, yes, but I'm not sure I thought it was good. I don't think it was so good as to someone posting that exact sentiment and switching their vote to match.

[Chevre]

Re: Chevre-Did you find that it was not good posting? I liked his analysis, that's all.

It was activity, yes, but I'm not sure I thought it was good. I don't think it was so good as to someone posting that exact sentiment and switching their vote to match.

[Chevre]

Yeah, I figured it was going to triple post. *sigh*

But in all relevancy, this is the kind of stuff that makes measuring activity by post count so inaccurate. What should have been one post is counted four times as of this post.

[Azelf]

Speaking of Dr. Cyanide...

Dr. Cyanide

has failed to respond to his prod and has been

kicked out of the game

.

A replacement will be found shortly.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

I find it quite suspicious that yabbaguy seemed so bent on calling me scum, yet to this day, he still hasn't really provided further argument. yabbaguy, if you think so much of me as a scum, then prove it. Right now, your case on me (Not refering to Jag Johan) is not very impressive.

[yabbaguy]

I find it quite suspicious that yabbaguy seemed so bent on calling me scum, yet to this day, he still hasn't really provided further argument. yabbaguy, if you think so much of me as a scum, then prove it. Right now, your case on me (Not refering to Jag Johan) is not very impressive.

1) A one-day absence from a game is not lurking. The fact that you find that suspicious is absurd and scummy.

2) You can't always vouch for him, but Jag Johan is in your slot. He has committed scummy acts, and that therefore applies to you.

Also, could you pinpoint the timespan where only you, Chevre, and 1-2 people were actually talking?

About 5/21, it was me and Chevre. That's probably what I remembered off-hand, though I forgot there were more about 5/19.

If I said/implied Chevre was a big contributor overall- that's an error by me among the other ones I racked up with the activity point.

Dr.Cyanide promised to return within a few days of his announced V/LA. So far, we have not seen anything else out of him. sorasgoof was getting replaced at the time I was making this post, plus there was absolutely nothing to read about sorasgoof.

Real life probably got in his way, perhaps. Perhaps Cyanide got sick of the game after his vacation, which is plausible. You really can't call it scummy for walking away from ALL his games, unless he's scum in all of them. And even there, you still can't. So I think he's as much of a blank as sorasgoof was.

No. His lack of activity was one thing. He also made promises that he has yet to fufill, which I found scummy as well.

Activity promises don't count. Lurking ISN'T a scumtell, and you know and told us. Can the two beliefs that this activity flake is scummy and lurking is not scummy really coexist? I don't.

What I found scummy was that you took part in something that you didn't want to do, making it hypocritical.

(referencing RQS answers)

I already explained. Do you not believe me?

Also, that big post wasn't made in just two minutes. I put forth genuine efforts toward that post

Not a towntell. Are you saying "good effort" is such?

You had no suspect and nothing was done on that Day. However, you had your eye on a lurker who hasn't really posted much. Then that lurker got put at L-1. What would you rather do? Lynch the lurker or do a no lynch?

No Lynch if it's safe and doesn't reduce the mislynches for Town.

SSBF may be stubborn and just doesn't understand a lurker's perspective, but I think his opinions have been somewhat contradictory. I still want to see him flip.

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Yabba has pointed out that I'm not paying attention and that Cyanide is absurdly V/LA which means nothing.

Oh it means something. Lurking and V/LA are not the same thing. You are basically voting a completely blank player slot over something that could just be a real life struggle or a developed apathy towards Mafia overall (since Cyanide hasn't popped up anywhere on site last I checked).

In fact, you're voting a NULL tell. If I'm bang on about the apathy theory, why would voting that player slot help? Your initial vote was stated as an intent to wagon and therefore lynch or hint at lynching Cyanide, not a "stall D1 out" vote. It's contradictory.

[VibeBox]

MrSandMan: When looking over the thread, what would you say struck you as the most interesting post in the game? (Made by a still active player preferably)

[VibeBox]

MrSandMan: When looking over the thread, what would you say was the most interesting post you saw made by a player still currently in the game?

[Empking]

Mod: Can we get a deadline?

Everyone: Top two suspects?

[Chevre]

Unvote

Empking: If/When the deadline is announced, I'll answer that question. I'd also like a chance to reread.

[yabbaguy]

Top two suspects?

SSBF/Thief.

[VibeBox]

I'd be fine with a Thief Lynch at deadline, but other than that I don't know/would rather not say.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

2) You can't always vouch for him, but Jag Johan is in your slot. He has committed scummy acts, and that therefore applies to you.

I do see your point their, but does that mean I have to die for his scumminess? No I do not.

About 5/21, it was me and Chevre. That's probably what I remembered off-hand, though I forgot there were more about 5/19.

Maybe I'm expecting too much out of you, but I was thinking more out of over forty-eight hours where only 2-4 people were actually talking.

Real life probably got in his way, perhaps. Perhaps Cyanide got sick of the game after his vacation, which is plausible. You really can't call it scummy for walking away from ALL his games, unless he's scum in all of them. And even there, you still can't. So I think he's as much of a blank as sorasgoof was.

Their was absolutely nothing to go off from sorasgoof. Litterally nothing. With the few posts Cyanide made, I was able to at least get

something

out of him. I just looked at Dr.Cyanide profile and as of now, he has made 1.36 posts per day on Mafiascum. That means their was no excuse for not being active at all.

Activity promises don't count. Lurking ISN'T a scumtell, and you know and told us. Can the two beliefs that this activity flake is scummy and lurking is not scummy really coexist? I don't.

Let me quote Elias_the_theif's last post in this thread:

I can assure you that this is merely a coincidence. I removed my semi-random vote when I found a better place to put my vote. Which is Empking. Because dat's da scum.

In other news, some things that I had going on have cleared up. I hope to reread and post my thoughts on everything tomorrow.

He promised a re-read and thoughts on everything on the game the next day. To this day, this is his most recent post, over ten days ago. Had it not been for the mod's lenient activity rule, he would have been replaced by now. He has still not fufilled his promise.

@Empking: As of now, my top suspect is Dr.Cyanide. My 2nd suspect is either Elias_the_theif or Theif, haven't decided on my secondary lynch candidate.

Mod: Could you please give us a deadline? That can help increase activity here. Plus, trying sending out mass prods and replacements for currrently inactive people.

[Thief]

I wouldn't mind any lynch to be honest, we need a flip to get this game going.

Yabbaguy, Mr. Sandman, or Elias in that order. Mr. Sandman hasn't really impressed with his scumhunting after replacing in. His "scumhunting" consists of tunneling me with a weak case.

Yabba for his earlier defensiveness.

My Dr. C vote is a sitting duck but I did gain a few reactions from it that I was looking for.

Unvote:
Vote: Yabba

[Chevre]

OK, here goes my reread. I'm probably going to repeat things I've already posted, so I apologize in advance.

First, I'd like to point out some of the answers to Red Star's questions:

2. Both
5. It can be.

4. Sometimes.
5. Sometimes.

2. Again, both.

I quoted these not only to mention their brevity, but also their blatant fence-sitting with no explanation. If they would have given explanations, I could see their reasoning, but now, it looks like they're waitng for the rest of the players' opinions and then take a stance. Sadly, most of them have flaked, so we won't be getting many explanations. And yes, my answers are brief too, but they take blatant, yes/no stances.

ANYBODY can answer these questions eloquently and look like a pro-town player.

While I agree that random questions don't really accomplish much. But I don't see how a few questions could possibly be used by scum to get town cred. It seems like you're thinking like scum here without necessity. Seeing as I'm not fond of random voting, good enough to warrant a vote: yabbaguy

I'm endless confused by this. What yabbaguy said was true, and I don't think he's thinking scummily. Even if he is, shouldn't we try to imagine how scum is dealing with this situation? That way, we can look for similarities and point them out.

I tend to disagree. It's not really about looking like a pro-town player at this point either - it's getting to know each other's playstyles, thoughts about mafia in general, etc.

But the point yabbaguy was trying to make was that scum would lie about their playstyle and it wouldn't get us much of anywhere.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

I may be vehemently fence-sitting here, but I thought this point by Empking was very good.

Dr. Cyanide: Are you trying to act stupid/scummy.

In the 3 posts Dr. Cyanide made before this post by Empking, the only possible scumminess is the OMGUS that was obviously a joke.

This feels like a trap. If he hadn't answered and criticized he probably would have been met with a bunch of "Why don't you want to give info. Anti-Town!".

But he could have done one or the other, and been perfectly fine.

Was his vote serious? I thought it was somewhat random, although I can see where you're coming from. I don't necessarily think that yabba's actions were worthy of a serious vote. That being said, I don't find the vote itself all that scummy.

Read ett's post. He states a dislike for the RVS, which therefore clarifies his vote as serious.

I asked that (for the most part*) in order to see if I should judge his actions as those done by a silly player.

I very much doubt that. Sorry to delve into syntax here, but you ended with a period, which makes it sound like a snarky snappy comment, not in any way a question. This looks like a poorly-made cover-up due to all the attention the comment received.

Empking: Why are you attacking people for tiny stuff, why do you think it so important? And why didn't you defend yourself against my accusation?

Um, because this is a game of ferreting out the reasoning behind little details? I haven't comment on any JJ posts prior to this because it really wasn't worth it.

This post just looks like scum trying too hard to be town. Asking half-hearted questions just because other people in the game tell you too doesn't feel right to me.

I can agree with this.

The questions wasn't really serious. Maybe I should have used a smilie.

So they weren't serious, but they weren't half-hearted? So they were like fully fleshed-out funny questions? ???

Thirdly, I don't really think Jag is acting scummy. I don't think he understands how the game works, judging by that "ok" post. Seems to have some problems with English.

I think I'm going to agree here for now and see what his replacement says.

How's that ISO coming? Nice twist, I never told him not to mount a defense. I said he should focus on scumhunting and not solely on his own defense that he seems so worried about.

This isn't a good defense of your post. You told him to focus on one thing rather than another, which I take to mean "stop doing this thing and start doing that thing." If you told me what you told yabbaguy, and by some paranormal event I actually obliged to do it, I would only scumhunt.

Not going to quote it's entirety, but one of the things I noticed in Red Star's post-analysis is that he never mentions himself. It's mentioned later, but I know the ones where I've mentioned him he marked as "Fluff," which is a cop-out anyway, because every post has something in it, even if irrelevant. The only time "Fluff" is acceptable is if someone posts a pillow fight.

That said and done, Unvote, Vote: Empking, mainly due to his post 19 and

general lack of content

Bolded for emphasis. To use an analogy (I think) here, if Empking is lacking content, then I must have not even posted.

Yeah it is. It is always a scum tell.

So how scummy are Cuetlachti/RealityFan, Dr.Cyanide, and Deer? I'm asking because I don't agree with your stance on OMGUS, and only Dr. Cyanide is one of your top two suspects.

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So, opinions -

Deer - I feel as though he sometimes tends to skim and doesn't answer to the best of his ability. Perk up, Deer! Neutral-barely-leaning-town.

Dr.Cyanide - Let there be a replacement on earth, and let it be one for Dr. Cyanide. Neutral-barely-leaning-scum.

Elias_the_thief - His most notable contribution IMO was the post at the end of page 1. Since then, he's been under the radar. Neutral-leaning-scum.

Empking - great contributions, but sometimes he makes errors that just make me wonder. Neutral-leaning-town.

MrSandman - replacement of sorasgoof was a happy occurrence, but I still need more from MrSandman to get a proper read. Neutral.

Red Star - He started very active with his questions, but he's kind of fallen down and his "fluffy" Post-analysis is one of the scummiest things in this game. Leaning-scum.

Super Smash Bros. Fan - JJ was somewhat wishy-washy, and now SSBF is very aggressive. I'd like him to answer my question before I put a stance on him.

Thief - Wagonhopper extraordinaire. His "Just focus on..." attack of yabbaguy" is probably the scummiest thing so far. Leaning-very-scum.

VibeBox - Been decently active, and he contributes. However, no big game-shaking comments. Neutral-leaning-town.

yabbaguy - He has received much scrutiny, and while most of it is poorly given, some points, such as the "1 AND 2 instead of 1 OR 2" point, is well received. However, his frustration is perfectly reasonable, and I want to apologize for not contributing as much as I should. Neutral-barely-leaning scum.

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So Empking, I'm going to answer your question early. My top to suspects are Thief and Red Star.
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So, questions -

Deer: since you're still here, care to explain your "sometimes" answers on Questions 4 and 5 by Red Star?
SSBF: there is a question for you just above my opinions.

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Vote: Thief

[yabbaguy]

I do see your point

their

there, but does that mean I have to die for his scumminess? No I do not.

If we think a slot is scummy and your scummy behavior amplifies it more, then yeah... you do. The whole reason we're on this point is because you wanted to distance away from your predecessor's scumminess, which never works. (I've seen someone backtrack on a predecessor's docclaim, but the damage was done, and he flipped scum)

Their was absolutely nothing to go off from sorasgoof. Litterally nothing. With the few posts Cyanide made, I was able to at least get something out of him. I just looked at Dr.Cyanide profile and as of now, he has made 1.36 posts per day on Mafiascum. That means their was no excuse for not being active at all.

PPD means diddly-squat. If Cyanide's quit Mafia, he's quit Mafia, and that average will trickle down as time passes.

What in Cyanide's posts do you find scummy?

[Elias] promised a re-read and thoughts on everything on the game the next day. To this day, this is his most recent post, over ten days ago. Had it not been for the mod's lenient activity rule, he would have been replaced by now. He has still not fufilled his promise.

Elias hasn't posted

at all

in the last 10 days. I just, I don't understand why you're struggling to grasp this concept. If someone doesn't come back to the site at all, that's not lurking.

If you still disagree, tell me I'm wrong directly.

You are saying the following two things, as I perceive them. This isn't intended to be a misrep, it's what I perceive them as.

Lurking isn't scummy

"If someone is posting on the forums, and is perfectly capable of posting in this thread, but isn't, that isn't scummy."

Flaking is scummy

"If someone is not posting on the forums, potentially incapable of posting in the thread, that is scummy simply because they promised they would come back to the site, but didn't."

And if I'm right about that, then the latter argument has a gaping hole in it. A player not coming back to the site is abandoning SEVERAL games, of which may be a mix of Maf and Town games. Since it can apply to both alignments, it's null.

Get it?

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Realizing that SSBF could just be stubborn and moronic, and Thief is actually trying to derail a wagon so late in the Day, I'm better off switching.

Unvote, Vote: Thief

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

So how scummy are Cuetlachti/RealityFan, Dr.Cyanide, and Deer? I'm asking because I don't agree with your stance on OMGUS, and only Dr. Cyanide is one of your top two suspects.

My opinion on OMGUS in further detail: I always think OMGUS votes are scummy and there are no exceptions so far. Now granted, just because you voted for a person who was voting for you doesn't automatically mean it's scummy, but giving a poor response to a person who suspected you can be considered an OMGUS vote. It's slightly scummy during the Random Vote Stage, but it becomes more scummy as the game progress.

Cuetlachti/RealityFan: I do find the OMGUS vote by Cuetlachti slighty scummy, since he deliberately said OMGUS at you. RealityFan has played better, but has not posted since May 24, 2010, with his last posts having absolutely no substance whatsoever. And yes, he has played elsewhere, as he has posted in the recently finished Newbie Mafia 950 in Thursday. Slightly scummy.

Dr.Cyanide: Still find him relatively scummy. In ISO: 2, he voted for VibeBox saying "Enjoy this OMGUS sandwich!". I also find that slightly scummy. However, Theif has been actively scummy recently. If his replacement can improve on Dr.Cyanide's play, then I'll be happy to change my vote.

Deer: He's currently slightly town for now. But he has not posted any substance for a long while and he has most defindently posted elsewhere, meaning he has no excuse for not posting in this game. However, I don't see where Deer OMGUS someone. Could you please tell us where he did that?

[Azelf]

Unsight

replaces

Dr. Cyanide

, effective immediately.

In addition,

elias_the_thief

has failed to respond to his prod and has been kicked out of the game.

We've certainly replaced a lot of people, haven't we?

Oh yeah, and I'd like to give the new person a bit of time to read, so your deadline will be

June 17th

.

[Thief]

Thief is actually trying to derail a wagon so late in the Day, I'm better off switching.

What is the scum motivation behind me derailing a wagon of a townie? If he's my buddy, wouldn't it be better off keeping your vote on him as the bigger wagon?

You're scummier for trying to ride out a popular wagon instead of actually scumhunting or voting someone you find more suspicious. The fact that you finally did counter-vote me after Chevre did just shows you didn't want to take the heat for starting a wagon on Thief-town, and only jumped on after it became viable.