Llamarble wrote:Why do you think Shadow is town? Right now I still think he's the best lynch, so I'm disinclined to take my vote off, though him being at L-1 is a bit alarming and I think it would be best to continue discussion.
Llama, you're at L-1 too.
And I gave reasons for shadow being town. I don't see maf bussing their buddy that hard D1, and a mafia would've LOVED to throw their vote on any rival wagon, but shadow was reluctant.
I agree Exemption was a strange kill choice. Now Smashbro is the only player left I don't have a pretty pro-town read on. Then again I was wrong on both lynches so far. Maybe the scum is someone we think looks really pro town right now and they're seeking an excuse for not having been NKed?
I also agree that it's probably preferable in confusing cases like yesterday for the mod to not go ahead with the lynch; yesterday's lynch happened before we were really ready for it because people were confused by the incorrect vote count. On the other hand, I don't think it hurt us this game as much as it might have since I certainly intended to push for an eventual lynch of shadow at some point.
My reads:
Parama - first to attack Silento, and while he said he'd go after a
scumbuddy that early, it's hard to believe a scum would push his partner basically all the way from small amounts of suspicion to a lynch.
MvK - Second to attack Silento, defended me yesterday when I'd have been one of the easier lynches for him to make happen were he scum.
Sworddancer - was in on Silento lynch, though it could have been bussing. Has been pretty useful scumhunting in general. Was not on Shadow wagon. Then again, he did push for a quick lynch yesterday even if he wasn't in on it and talk about the dangers of changing one's mind, which was definitely not pro-town.
Smash - On the wrong side of both wagons (yes, I'm aware the same can be said for me) and Silento avoided talking about him and he went after tomato day1 instead of silento without providing great reasoning.
My next post will address that quote of mine Smashbro posted, but basically I felt the case against him was better than the ones presented against others (at that point in the game there weren't really any strong cases against anyone) but was still too weak to override my gut town read on Silento. I didn't move my vote until there was a player (Tomato) against whom I felt the case was strong enough to really convince me he was mafia. Obviously, I was wrong in both cases, but I haven't contradicted myself.
Not going to lie. I still wanted shadow's lynch even after Parama "cleared" him.
Right now I haven't a clue as to what to think. I currently still think that Llamarble is the scummiest, but now I'm starting think again (which is exactly what I'm afraid of).
Note to everyone: Be careful with your votes. Only two votes on someone will put them at L_1, so I suggest that we only leave one vote per person until we have decided upon a lynch.
Okay, I'm thinking of doing an ISO of Smash. I think that will definitely be a good place to start toDay.
Llamarble wrote:I agree Exemption was a strange kill choice. Now Smashbro is the only player left I don't have a pretty pro-town read on. Then again I was wrong on both lynches so far. Maybe the scum is someone we think looks really pro town right now and they're seeking an excuse for not having been NKed?
I also agree that it's probably preferable in confusing cases like yesterday for the mod to not go ahead with the lynch; yesterday's lynch happened before we were really ready for it because people were confused by the incorrect vote count. On the other hand, I don't think it hurt us this game as much as it might have since I certainly intended to push for an eventual lynch of shadow at some point.
My reads:
Parama - first to attack Silento, and while he said he'd go after a
scumbuddy that early, it's hard to believe a scum would push his partner basically all the way from small amounts of suspicion to a lynch.
MvK - Second to attack Silento, defended me yesterday when I'd have been one of the easier lynches for him to make happen were he scum.
Sworddancer - was in on Silento lynch, though it could have been bussing. Has been pretty useful scumhunting in general. Was not on Shadow wagon. Then again, he did push for a quick lynch yesterday even if he wasn't in on it and talk about the dangers of changing one's mind, which was definitely not pro-town.
Smash - On the wrong side of both wagons (yes, I'm aware the same can be said for me) and Silento avoided talking about him and he went after tomato day1 instead of silento without providing great reasoning.
My next post will address that quote of mine Smashbro posted, but basically I felt the case against him was better than the ones presented against others (at that point in the game there weren't really any strong cases against anyone) but was still too weak to override my gut town read on Silento. I didn't move my vote until there was a player (Tomato) against whom I felt the case was strong enough to really convince me he was mafia. Obviously, I was wrong in both cases, but I haven't contradicted myself.
Post only works under the assumption that you're town.
By the way you're not clear yet, but claiming cop today would be suicide for scum -
7-1-1 setup - have to claim roleblocked, would need a doc claim to prove 5-1-1-1-1 setup
5-1-1-1-1 setup - there's no fakeclaiming here
6-1-2 (cop) setup - If you don't die then well
6-1-2 (doc) setup - You'd need to fake the 5-1-1-1-1 setup and fake roleblocked
So yeah I don't see a cop fakeclaim before LyLo. GG.
Well FMPOV the mafia have to be either MvK or Smashbro now, and MvK is a townread from me (see: early interactions with Silento) so this is basically gg.
Also my scumlist on the previous page is so awesome.
I also believe MvK, because his result for me is correct. It's also consistent with what I would expect the cop to investigate. I was just kinda joking around in my last post.
As for you, well. . . your much more of a town read for me than Smash is. ~.^
I'll let smashbro post his quicktopic if he wants to!
First off... that has to be the quickest game I've ever modded or been a part of. The only real mistake I can see here is that scum did not do enough D1 when there was a loose wagon on one of them. I mean, it's not smart to outright go DURR HURR CHAINSAW DEFENSE, but then again it's not like anyone was really sold on the Silento wagon. There was just never a viable alternative presented.
From there on out, it basically became a game of the cop staying hidden long enough to win this. MVK made a really good play at the end of D2 by hammering the opposing wagon to the person he investigated N1, because not only did it make him look scummy enough to avoid a night kill, he also managed to keep one of his principal targets alive. I anxiously awaited smashbro's N2 decision, because he basically HAD to hit a confirmed innocent or MVK to have a shot at winning.
Really, his only other option would be to show up in time to counterclaim MVK as doctor and try to bring that into play.
