Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)


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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 9:25 pm

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I highly, highly doubt that Monkey was able to tell just from manho's softclaim that manho is Kublai Khan. I feel that manho is from the same faction as Monkey.
SpyreX wrote:Mostly it makes sense to give the names of NOT your faction so that if they vocally support you and then you rope you haven't just screwed them all.
Not always though.

When I'm scum and I build suspect lists or claim targets (either here or on View Askew), I always include at least one of my scumbuddies.

I just don't think you should assume this.



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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 9:35 pm

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Holy fuck delete that please.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 9:35 pm

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That's what I get for having MS up in multiple windows.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:39 pm

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V/LA for Memorial Day Weekend - I'll be in and out, but in case I don't end up being around, I don't want to get shit for not posting a V/LA.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 2:39 am

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Uh.

Anyway the nhammen vote is because he tried to start a counterwagon and distract from the Monkey lynch.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 3:38 am

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Votecount 13: Rushing ME!



Manho (6): SpyreX, Mask, Pom, Nhammen, Kunk, Starbuck
Nhammen (1): Zito

Not Voting (5): Niv, Zang, Ani, Cuttlefish, Manho,


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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 3:48 am

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Votecount 13: Rushing ME!



Manho (6): SpyreX, Mask, Pom, Nhammen, Kunk, Starbuck
Nhammen (1): Zito

Not Voting (5): Niv, Zang, Ani, Cuttlefish, Manho,


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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 3:58 am

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Oh wow L-1 already. That was fast.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 5:46 am

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Unvote


for now.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 6:09 am

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The Mask wrote:I was gonna say Zang, but.... scratch that.

Vote: manho


The whole structure and outcome of things leans to him as the next scummer. MM couldn't even figure out the reason he "copped" manho, and couldn't remember which order he targeted people. Though I
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see nhammen's distancing from MM yesterday up until the end.
why would MM fakeclaim his results? he IS a rolecop, and he sure can give us the real cop-results. so i don't think he has faked any of those results. then why would MM investigate his buddy n0? maybe MM and I have forseen the current situation and build this WIFOM in pre-game then.
Starbuck wrote:I highly, highly doubt that Monkey was able to tell just from manho's softclaim that manho is Kublai Khan. I feel that manho is from the same faction as Monkey.
MM is the rolecop, and he will know my name if he had investigated me.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 6:12 am

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Yea, that was fast. Real, real fast.

I'm not sure I'm bothered by it though.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 12:27 pm

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Starbuck wrote:I highly, highly doubt that Monkey was able to tell just from manho's softclaim that manho is Kublai Khan. I feel that manho is from the same faction as Monkey.
I think that since Monkey actually
was
a rolecop, that manho is probably not of the same faction as him. I think that Monkey claimed his actual results, meaning that all the people he inspected are town. It makes more sense than claiming your buddies' names because <what Spy said>.
I really want to see who manho votes for today, though.

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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 12:48 pm

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wow, have I posted in this day yet/ Let me take a quick look.

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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 12:53 pm

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I agree with the manho lynch, but I don't wanna put him at L-1 quite yet(considering how I recently died for quicklynching).
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 3:30 pm

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God I'm torn now the more I read. I dont think manho and nhammen are scum together BUT I'm pretty sure one of them is scum fo sho'.

But I don't know. I'm a little demoralized.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 7:36 am

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kunkstar7 wrote:We can finally lynch the followerscum, sweet.
Vote: manho.
Funny...
Starbuck wrote:When I'm scum and I build suspect lists or claim targets (either here or on View Askew), I always include at least one of my scumbuddies.
But, the question is, would a player like Monkey do this?
Papa Zito wrote:Anyway the nhammen vote is because he tried to start a counterwagon and distract from the Monkey lynch.
I can understand this opinion. After my reread of yesterday, I realized that my actions could be viewed this way. But I have a question for you: Why do you attack me for this, but not even mention kunk?
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Starbuck wrote:I highly, highly doubt that Monkey was able to tell just from manho's softclaim that manho is Kublai Khan. I feel that manho is from the same faction as Monkey.
MM is the rolecop, and he will know my name if he had investigated me.
Yes, from my view, there are two possibilities:
A) Monkey investigated you
B) you are Monkey's buddy

If A, why did scum decide to investigate you? How does a scum rolecop usually choose their target? I would think that investigating someone likely to be run up would be stupid.
SpyreX wrote:Yea, that was fast. Real, real fast.

I'm not sure I'm bothered by it though.
I admit, it bothers me a bit. But he still looks real scummy... I don't know what to think... I keep going back and forth in my head about this. The good thing is that we have time until the deadline to figure this out.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 7:39 am

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Hey, I've got a question.
Mask, did you send in a roleblock on Zito? I think that ani tracked Zito because he didn't see Zito's warning, but I want to confirm something.
Has anyone else claimed to have their minds shattered?
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Pomegranate:

iso0
: "Oh. Hi then, PZ. Also, do you have some sort of doublevote, or is the votecount just messed up?"
This is nothingness.
iso1
: "We don't lynch Spy today."
There is no reason attached. Pom simply says it. She gives a reason in...
iso2
: "I think that we shouldn't lynch SpyreX today, and work off of the quality of his play for the future. I don't see the need to lynch him today. I think that he's playing a miller correctly, and that it fits with the Death Note claim."
This looks kind of like an EBWOP, but it's not. She doesn't add anything new with this post, and I said myself the part about Spy's role flavour making sense between the times of isos 1 and 2. This post is fluff.
iso3
: A throwaway question to kunk, and a promise to post answers to questions tonight.
iso4
: A response to kunk's response. Basically the two of them speculating about Zito's extra vote.
iso5
: Another response to kunk. I don't get the point of this conversation.
iso6
: Responding to Starbuck's question regarding Pom's iso4.
iso7
: Promise to catch up. This is five days after iso6. Pom never does respond to those questions she promised to answer in iso3.
iso8
: "Definitely Vote: ortolan at this point. PZ sums it up nicely."
That's a nice catchup post.
iso9
: Another promise to catch up, this time four days after her last post.
iso10
: This is scummy, now that we know Monkey is scum. Pom supports a mass name claim, but also says that Monkey's flavour doesn't fit and puts the L-2 vote on Monkey.
It's scummy because it's dissonant (am I using the term right?) Pom votes for Monkey, but also supports a mass name claim. If Pom thought Monkey was scum, why did she support the mass claim? It seems like Pom is trying to bus and give Monkey another chance with the mass claim.
iso11
: "Why would Kast be a name cop?"
This basically seems to be the listed reason for her vote. Not a great reason. Looks like bussing to me.
iso12
: An assertion that Monkey should claim his targets, now that he's at L-1.
iso13
: A response to tajo. Basically saying that Monkey gave a paraphrase of his flavour already.
And that's all for yesterday.
iso14
: Asks for clarification on something that I find plenty clear already (i.e. Pom's question looks weak and throwaway), then places the third vote on manho for the reason, "I agree with SpyreX".

In conclusion, Pomegranate is a lurker whose iso is pretty much devoid of independent thought. Her vote on Monkey looks like weak bussing, with a last-ditch (and abandoned; she doesn't bring the mass claim up again after the post where she says she supports it) attempt to save him. This does not look like the town version of Pomegranate I know from Open 175, where she took clear stances against the people she was voting, and provided independent thought through most of the game, most notably when she voted for people, which is what I'm looking at specifically for contrast with this game here.

And I'm so glad I saved this in notepad last night, because the site decided to crash as I was posting it.

On the manho wagon:
this does not look like bussing. If Monkey was wagonned and lynched day one, manho would get no credit for the lynch. It makes no sense for a scumbuddy of Monkey to post that instead of something decent for town cred. In addition, this does not come from scum. Posting that would be like asking to be lynched. I know it's a fallacy, but I think this particular post is too scummy to come from scum. Add that to the fact that I don't think Monkey would claim results on his buddies, and I get that manho is town.
If anyone wants to hear my theory on that, it's that if you claim a rolecop result on a townie, they can be like "Oh yeah! That's my role! You're right! I can support your claim now!" and then get lynched the next day. You can't really do that with scumbuddies.

I could go with an nhammen lynch today as well for the reason Zito stated, but I find Pom scummier.

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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 8:22 am

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You know what?

I'm willing to roll with this for more than a few reasons.

Unvote, Vote: Pomegranate
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 8:53 pm

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nhammen wrote:Yes, from my view, there are two possibilities:
A) Monkey investigated you
B) you are Monkey's buddy

If A, why did scum decide to investigate you? How does a scum rolecop usually choose their target? I would think that investigating someone likely to be run up would be stupid.
maybe he was telling the truth and he investigated me randomly in night 0.

question to all who think i'm scum with MM: why would MM lie when he claimed his results?

question to all who think i'm scum but not with MM: why am I scum? and what's the chance of 2 scum teams in the game? (you should take into account the flavor of the game, the number of night kills, the role name of MM, etc.)
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Sun May 30, 2010 3:52 am

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manho wrote:why would MM fakeclaim his results? he IS a rolecop, and he sure can give us the real cop-results. so i don't think he has faked any of those results. then why would MM investigate his buddy n0? maybe MM and I have forseen the current situation and build this WIFOM in pre-game then.
Maybe. But then what's to say there wasn't one result he withheld, in order to blend you with the other townies he rolecopped?

Kublai Khan is a sketchy character, personally. He's got me good when he's scum, and there's been 1 or 2 games of ours when he has been town, so I remember him more for being mafia.

And yes, I messed around and targeted Zito before reading the thread.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Sun May 30, 2010 3:55 am

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nhammen wrote:But I have a question for you: Why do you attack me for this, but not even mention kunk?
Why should I have mentioned kunk?
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Sun May 30, 2010 5:44 am

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The Mask wrote:
manho wrote:why would MM fakeclaim his results? he IS a rolecop, and he sure can give us the real cop-results. so i don't think he has faked any of those results. then why would MM investigate his buddy n0? maybe MM and I have forseen the current situation and build this WIFOM in pre-game then.
Maybe. But then what's to say there wasn't one result he withheld, in order to blend you with the other townies he rolecopped?
it's possible, but it has a risk that he was tracked or i was watched. it will be a flip for 2 scums at the same time. i won't risk it if i'm scum.
Kublai Khan is a sketchy character, personally. He's got me good when he's scum, and there's been 1 or 2 games of ours when he has been town, so I remember him more for being mafia.
i haven't played with him. the flavor in my pm is about him claiming to be miller and walk through endgame event, but that is "game breaking" so dramonic don't let me to be scum. so yeah, he is more known as a scum, at least in dramonic's own opinion.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Sun May 30, 2010 6:33 am

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I don't think I've played with KK, so I cna't help much there.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sun May 30, 2010 7:15 am

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Please take a look at Pomegranate in detail ye old faithful town.

468 makes me reaaalllly itchy.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sun May 30, 2010 7:53 am

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Hi. I'm not sure what you want from me.

And I'm very busy this week, with finals, and other stuff.

So I'm going to try, but not kill myself to do anything.
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