Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

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DGB set up town flips on ace, too, if I'm not mistaken. You've maybe identified a playstyle quirk, but not a scummy one, and particularly not when it comes from DGB.

I'm satisfied that Shotty must be the last red scum. The alternative is that DGBSK is lying about her track on HeartlessUK on a gambit.

I'll wait to let Starbuck perform her requested Shotty iso.

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You'd think he'd have let Starbuck do her iso.

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The lack of secondary kills, especially given that our doc-equivalent is already dead, strongly implies that only a killer who is neither Heartless nor Nobody remains. DGB's result on UK shows that it can't be UK, since someone was cut to pieces N2, unless UK is track-proofSK (remote). Sajin also probably isn't the SK. The flavor was constant throughout; it didn't stop, for example, once RF had recruited him, nor did the cut-to-pieces targets suddenly and temporarily become more pro-town.

That leaves Flare or Starbuck as the SK. Sajin's result on Starbuck would seem to imply that the SK must be Flare, but Starbuck's claim is somewhat consistent with a Sephiroth fakeclaim. She's also claimed bulletproof. Then again, Flare's hypothetical fakeclaim is of a character who is relatively minor. Then doubleagain, DN did claim it on D2, a relatively unsafe time for open name claims. And tripleagain, Flare managed to make the same nameclaim once he replaced in, even if it took him a few hours to do so.

I am leaning toward Starbuck being Sephiroth and a bullet/investiproof SK. I think Flare is the second-most-likely culprit.

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Starbuck, please claim the name of your bulletproof ability. Also, please provide a bit of flavor for your role and/or ability(ies).

(Aside: why did Pete make things explode?)

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She'd be the first non-VT SE character, too. Not that that is an absolute, but in light of other facts....

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Flare hasn't posted in a very long time. He's on the edge of requiring replacement, which would be a nightmare for all parties involved.

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I had to look up Captain Barbossa. Spelling was off a bit, but the KH wiki tried to sell me Barbossa action figures, so I figured it out. It looks like he's with the Heartless, so he probably wouldn't be the most obvious SK in a game with a Heartless faction. Also, my vig behavior this game was considerably different from that in the game you're alluding to, so I'm not sure whether your purported knowledge of my vig meta would be helpful to me this game.

I agree that Barbossa is the rare sort of character who makes IecSK possible given the gun flavor, though.

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Out of curiosity, Sajin, what would DNSK look like, and how would that be different from what we got?

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I mean, can you describe with words why DN's behavior is townDN, or is this just something you sort of feel in your heart, etc.?

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Starbuck, does your bulletproof ability have a flavored name?

DGB claimed that as her role title several days ago. The basis is that she starts as vanilla, but she gains tracking abilities and becomes a Heartless Miller if she chooses to "remove her blindfold." So she appeared vanilla, but wasn't actually.

Also, I don't know what your point is there. Do you think she's a reverse-death miller?

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I'm waiting for Starbuck to answer my question. I'm also waiting for Flare to play the game.

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Prod/Replace: Starbuck/Flare

@ Replacements -- Claim in your first post with ability names and flavor for +like points.

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I sorry.

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Nice to meet you. Claim your role and abilities immediately. Failure to do so may result in your swift death.

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OK. Forgive me for slightly amending your request, though.

Kill: CryMeARiver.

NB @ Replacement Mod -- I've spent my kills, so this should not work unless someone has used a secret recharge ability on me without my knowledge.

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I'll be happy to pretend to kill you, too, after this doesn't work.

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Yeah. It's odd that Sephi would check *Town*, is the only thing. I suppose it's a large game.

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And CMAR certainly isn't doing us any favors. This is not the well-disciplined replacement I had hoped for!

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He actually said that she turned up "town" when I asked him about it yesterday. I think you may be right that he defined it as neither Nobody nor Heartless before.

CMAR -- I wanted you to claim quickly so that you could essentially confirm yourself. You're now the second person to replace into that role who has had to take some time to answer what should be a relatively straightforward question, unless a fakeclaim is necessary. Because you took some time to answer, I am unable to rule out that you have fakeclaimed.

Regardless of her alignment, I am annoyed at Starbuck for giving you the location of DN's claim, but I suppose enough time had passed that it wouldn't have mattered either way.

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I do not blame you for your action. I also do not automatically think that you are the SK; I think Starbuck is more likely. However, different actions on your part could have cleared you with near 100% accuracy, so I'm slightly frustrated.

Everyone had already claimed. Sajin was lying to you to discourage you from hunting for the fakeclaim(s) your predecessors had used. Starbuck somewhat obnoxiously subverted this.

DGB is dead. She is a confirmed tracker, unless she was lying to amuse herself.

Starbuck used to be fuzzylightning, a minimal contributor who replaced out. Starbuck replaced her. She posted mainly lengthy summary posts for what appeared to be a significant period of time, but picked things up a little at the end.

Cloud is a fairly major character. He works for the villains on occasion, but he always has good intentions. I think it's likely that Starbuck is not Cloud at all, but Cloud's nemesis, Sephiroth. Sephiroth fits the SK flavor perfectly -- hell, he was already an SK in FF7 mafia -- and also fits the "cut to pieces flavor." I can't think of other 3rd parties that fit said flavor well.

The only reason not to jump on Starbuck is that Sajin investigated her and got that she was town. There may be an inconsistency here; UK said he at first said that she was merely non-scum. Hmm.

Sajin started unaligned, but joined RF as the game went on. There's in-game evidence that that's what happened, so I think it's accurate. I considered that Sajin may have reverted to 3rd party after RF's death, but the fact that the "cut-to-pieces" flavor didn't become more pro-town during his grouping with RF leads me to believe that that is unlikely.

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Well, we've won except that you're a possible SK, but I'm sure the culprit does appear self-evident from your perspective.

I agree that Sajin should clear up said issue.

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If Sajin is the SK, he managed to convince RF to let him kill the proven Cop N3. Also, there's evidence that Sajin used an ability N2 to catch scum D3. I suppose another possibility is that he maintained a 3rd party alignment and cut people up on the side while also using investigative powers (as he would have had to use both simultaneously N2) and appearing to be allied to RF, but that's just too weird to take seriously.

UK is 100% town so long as DGB wasn't totally making stuff up as a town player. I suppose it's possible UK is the SK if UK is a track-proof SK. Remote, since tracking is already nerfed.

I am a known 2-shot daykiller with gun flavor. For me to be the SK, I'd have to also have sword/knife flavor. Sajin found one possible character (Jack Sparrow's nemesis), but a) he's more likely to have been Heartless aligned and b) he's a really minor character, anyway. Also, I had never heard of him, but I suppose that could be a gambit from your perspective.

You have the misfortune of replacing DeathNote -- one of the scummiest players on this site -- and having an extremely minor character (the save point!), to boot. Also, someone complained about the flavor that Flare supplied. Alsoalso, you and Flare both took awhile to claim even though we asked nicely.

Starbuck perfectly fits the SK profile, except for the claim on her and the sketchiness surrounding your player slot.

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Cloud works for Hades at first during the first KH. Hades hires him as a mercenary to kill Hercules. It doesn't work for whatever reason, and Hades gets grouchy and summons a hydra.

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Flare didn't include the information about Sora/Donald/Goofy IIRC. Let me find the claim.

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After whining and whining about everyone being so mean to him and bullying him into claiming:

I'm Jiminy Cricket. A Fucking Vanilla Townie.

i have

NO

information. This was a complete waste of your time

After we demand flavor NAO:

What exactly is flavor? The rest of the PM?

My journal is erased and I'm working with the town to get rid of all threats and hopefully get my notes back

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But this information is really only of limited use. If you're SK, you almost certainly read Flare's claim and/or DN's (as you wouldn't have come up with JC otherwise), and your inclusion of embellishments might well have been just so you could mention some extra stuff. The fact that you pointed out the difference (rather than one of us) also undermines to an extent its utility.

But yeah, it does make it relatively remote, etc. Positing too many geniusScum scenarios hurts my head.

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I think he mentions Castle Oblivion later on when we pump him for information. Lemme check.

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I claimed awhile ago. Jiminy Cricket, my journal was erased upon entering castle oblivion

I guess someone missed his first claim and was still requesting it.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Starbuck. I think I'm prepared to hammer. Would be nice to get a final word from her, though.

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DN didn't mention Oblivion. You're thinking of Flare. Not that it matters.

It would not hurt my feelings if you hammered Starbuck. I will personally hammer Starbuck if she posts one more time, assuming that post doesn't contain stellar information.

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He can't realistically scumhunt when replacing in on page 169 of a game like this. I think he did fine, though a quicker claim would've been nice if he's town.

Why are you coaching him like that?

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He's saying that you look scummy for working to clear yourself rather than working to find scum. I'd agree with him, except that you replaced into rather peculiar circumstances.

Why he's doing this is anyone's guess. That's what postgame is for. The paranoid part of me is imaging scenarios where he is scumfriends with you and you've just won, even though the RF breadcrumbs indicate that can't be the case.

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Then what's your word of caution to cry? Does not compute.

I mean, SB being scum definitely computes, but ye know, etc.

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I was always picked on at school for having a funny name.

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YAY! GO ME. :D:D:D:D

/dance

<3@all

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Can we be friends now, Miss Kitten?

And congrats to CMAR for his first win on the site.

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Major bummer that Mr. L can't edit the thread. I wanna see all my dead friends.

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This is the plot of the QT for those who can't be bothered to read it:

DGB IS RATHER GOOD ISN'T SHE
OMG SHE IS SCARY GOOD IT IS A BIT HARD TO BELIEVE GOSH
WOW THERE SHE GOES IN THE FUTURE I WILL NK HER N1 LOL
INORITE
etc.

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I knew Cobalt was my modkiller. <3Cobalt<3

I'd like to personally thank whomever for killing Kise, even if he was the doctor. We would have lynched him eventually if he hadn't died that night.

I'm pleased with my performance.

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Sajin's role was balanced by judicious use of modkills.

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DGB tracked me? (Maybe?) I'm hurt. I was such a nice man.

Oh well.

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NB: This is the second game where I have been vig-suspected-to-be-SK.

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No complaints about your style of modding. I particularly appreciated that you made an effort to keep the flavor going throughout the game. Some mods get lazy with the flavor by D3 or so, which can negatively affect the atmosphere.

Ha! I'm playing it if I'm not back-up modding it. That's what I meant when I originally sent you that PM months ago, anyway. I'm not in a position to expertly balance games and so forth, anyway.

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Slicey, I somewhat dispute your claim that flavor analysis was designed to hurt the town. Namely, the Cloud claim on Sephiroth -- not that that required terribly sophisticated flavor knowledge.

Since SB went last, I would've picked a different fakerole at that point. Maybe Ariel.

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Hmm? Does COURAGE have to do with the summons? I already forgot about all that. And I certainly didn't recognize it as game script.

Slicey, I noticed in the Green Room that you don't think you made a canon error by indicating that Riku would resemble "Ansem" rather than "Xehanort's Heartless" upon death, though you understand why people think a mistake was made. What's the basis of your belief?

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If it makes you feel any better, I spent the whole game somewhat grumpy that 2 town players were modkilled for grouchy behavior. Sajin's alignment helped contextualize it some.

I miss Reckoner's MLP avatar.

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Oh. Is it just DiZ that has blonde hair? I figured only the Heartless looked scary.

And it's Xehanort's Heartless, not Ansem's! Innit? As I said, I've only played up to Ursula in the original game.

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^ Ooh, I'd been wondering where Oogie Boogie went.

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Ooh, poor DNFlareCMAR. That looks neat. Donald, too.

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Should've taken Ariel.

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What did you do when you were a little girl, then?

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You thought I was Heartless D1 at first?

I'm happy you wanted to kill me N2. <3

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I had a strong scumread on WFH D1. It kinda faded over time, though, and then he fakescumhunted on Kise and raider, who I thought were incredibly scummy, so that gave them +like points.

Your Namine claim was absolutely hilarious. I didn't know what to think.

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Good to hear from ye.

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I thought you might be Heartless. Shotty hadn't flipped yet. I have a hard time forgiving clandestine policy lynches, even if it's you.

Also, you did something similar (in the sense, "anti-town behavior potentially excusable as meta or immaturity") in Grimm's Pokemon Madness as scum, but you escaped me that time, so I was out for blood.

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I'm just teasing you, DGB.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to, Kise. Then I tried to lynch you D2, but you managed to make everything think that I was scum, which limited my credibility enough that I couldn't. Then you killed me N2.

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HI GUYS~!

I figure no one's watching the thread anymore, but I wanted to mention that I nominated DGB for "Best Replacement" in "Scummie Nominations 2010" under "Mafia Discussion." Kise's already seconded, but you're welcome to 3rd/4th/5th it if you wanna show support for our goddess.

JUST SAYIN.