Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Budja]

Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

re. my wagon. Can't respond to the gut reads. Ooba's case isn't. The first point isn't scummy, the second

I almost hate to say it, but I do agree that Jack is giving of a weird town-vibe.

was when I began to really lose interest in Jack.

he replaced caughtscum Percy

incorrect, I replaced SK Konowa (but I did claim SK pretty quickly (and won ))

Vote Count 4 - 16: Lynch

curiouskarmadog -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, Anon, Iecerint, Papa Zito
Anon - 2 - Starbuck, Jack
Iecerint - 4 - curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, SpyreX, SocioPath
Starbuck - 1 - J-Scope
Budja - 3 - ooba, farside22, xvart,

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, Cobalt

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time.

[curiouskarmadog]

Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

that wasnt my question, my question wasnt, should we use me for two kills...my question if you are going to use me for my possible SS ability, shouldnt I get to say who hammers me..yes or no? if no why not? part two: If I am indeed a town SS or if the scum think I am the town SS, do you think they would (now) already be on my wagon, are waiting to closer to the end to jump on, or will claim that I am obviously town so they could avoid it completely?

[curiouskarmadog]

Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

that wasnt my question, my question wasnt, should we use me for two kills...my question if you are going to use me for my possible SS ability, shouldnt I get to say who hammers me..yes or no? if no why not? part two: If I am indeed a town SS or if the scum think I am the town SS, do you think they would (now) already be on my wagon, are waiting to closer to the end to jump on, or will claim that I am obviously town so they could avoid it completely?

[curiouskarmadog]

Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

that wasnt my question, my question wasnt, should we use me for two kills...my question if you are going to use me for my possible SS ability, shouldnt I get to say who hammers me..yes or no? if no why not? part two: If I am indeed a town SS or if the scum think I am the town SS, do you think they would (now) already be on my wagon, are waiting to closer to the end to jump on, or will claim that I am obviously town so they could avoid it completely?

[Papa Zito]

We went over this farside. Go read back if you forgot or something.

Unless this is still trust issues in which case I can't help you.

so you only want me to pick when you agree with the choice?

Correct.

Well. I really don't want you picking at all. But in your little dreamworld yeah.

the answer is yes or no, not "yes if..."

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

This really isn't hard, though you're trying your damndest to make it appear so (congrats to you I guess). There are three possibilities here:

1. You're scum. Does it matter who hammers you then? No, point is you die. Hooray!
2. You're a SS (townie or otherwise). Does it matter who hammers you then? Absolutely. If you are tow SS then I want scum to hammer you. So obviously I'll want a player who I think is most likely scum hammering, and so obviously I'll object if you pick someone like farside.
3. You're neither scum nor SS. Now you've just wasted everyone's time. Congratulations.

also PZ (and again, this is all "hypothetical") you have brought up that you think I am SS...based on something you might or might not have picked up on. And for whatever reason, you thought it was protown to bring that to everyone's attention (before I actually claimed ANYTHING)...

Sling that mud, baby.

Of course it's pro-town to direct killing roles. Hurp de durp.

now, lets "pretend" that all that is true (I am indeed a town SS)..do you think scum would have jumped on my wagon by now, or just avoid it completely? Curious.

I don't care if they're on it already or not. The point is you die and we direct the hammerer.

[Papa Zito]

We went over this farside. Go read back if you forgot or something.

Unless this is still trust issues in which case I can't help you.

so you only want me to pick when you agree with the choice?

Correct.

Well. I really don't want you picking at all. But in your little dreamworld yeah.

the answer is yes or no, not "yes if..."

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

This really isn't hard, though you're trying your damndest to make it appear so (congrats to you I guess). There are three possibilities here:

1. You're scum. Does it matter who hammers you then? No, point is you die. Hooray!
2. You're a SS (townie or otherwise). Does it matter who hammers you then? Absolutely. If you are tow SS then I want scum to hammer you. So obviously I'll want a player who I think is most likely scum hammering, and so obviously I'll object if you pick someone like farside.
3. You're neither scum nor SS. Now you've just wasted everyone's time. Congratulations.

also PZ (and again, this is all "hypothetical") you have brought up that you think I am SS...based on something you might or might not have picked up on. And for whatever reason, you thought it was protown to bring that to everyone's attention (before I actually claimed ANYTHING)...

Sling that mud, baby.

Of course it's pro-town to direct killing roles. Hurp de durp.

now, lets "pretend" that all that is true (I am indeed a town SS)..do you think scum would have jumped on my wagon by now, or just avoid it completely? Curious.

I don't care if they're on it already or not. The point is you die and we direct the hammerer.

[farside22]

PZ we did. I explain why I disagree. At best your WIFOM too much on Budja.

[Kmd4390]

Unvoote, Vote xvart

CKD is playing that way intentionally...

[Míriel Therindë]

Vote Count 4 - 17: Lynch

curiouskarmadog -

4

- Budja, Anon, Iecerint, Papa Zito
Anon - 2 - Starbuck, Jack
Iecerint -

4

- curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, SpyreX, SocioPath
Starbuck - 1 - J-Scope
Budja - 3 - ooba, farside22, xvart,
xvart - 1 - Kmd4390

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, Cobalt

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time. THAT'S TOMORROW, FOLKS!

[Jack]

Ick.

unvote, vote:Budja

[Iecerint]

NB: Kmd went from CKD to being the first vote of a non-entity wagon (xvart) 1 day before deadline with bad reasoning.

[SpyreX]

I am not a fan nor happy with this Budja push.

Ice is far, far better. I'd rather even have a CKD lynch.

[Jack]

I will vote Iec over CKD.

I should reread but haven't...

[SpyreX]

Lets put it this way: we're TOO close to a NL.

If you're not on a main wagon you're doing it wrong. Pick.

[Jack]

Technically with by budja vote he is tied for the lead

[farside22]

Things I want to see for me to change my vote.

A CKD case or an Iec case.

That is all.

[Budja]

@CKD,

Zito's got it in one.

I think you are scum. If not we can use you to remove a scummy player and hopefully scum. Win-win.
--
If you are town, I think scum will not hammer you but I'm not really sure that their position on (or off) your wagon means that much.

@Farside, Budja case?
CKD's scummy softclaim, scummy attitude, scummy Iec vote spring to mind re. him.
--

I echo SpyreX.
Non-wagon voters, wagon.

[Iecerint]

Why CKD Should Die

1. Joined Jackwagon under the most suspicious circumstances D1. (Jack is town via my secret towntell announced D1.)
2. Even though SPS was his major suspect D1, he opted to NOT join the SPS wagon D3, but instead to vote me, even though he had NEVER so much as MENTIONED my name ALL GAME.

In other words, he pushed the alternawagon (mine) against the SPScum wagon, even though his rhetoric had said SPS was the scum before that.

3. Way way way premature softclaim D4.
3. When suspicion on him picked up a little, he tried to establish a tangent about PZ being sort-of-odd-but-not-really-scummy.

Why CKD Should Not Die

1. ooba (probably town due to D2) has a meta towntell on him.

The bolded is the biggest scumtell IMO.

Why Iec Should Die

From xvart

1. Said that the scum on Jackwagon was CKD or SPS *IF* there were scum D1, rather than that one of those was scum 100%.
2. Also D1, said that SPS was scummy, but for reasons different than MPR had listed.

From Starbuck

3. Made "assumptions" about time management as part of his case against xvart D3.

From SP

4. Meta scumtell based on "misuse of meta."

1 is purely semantic. 2 isn't scummy. 3 is a miscommunication because I worded the case on xvart poorly the first time. 4 is because all my finished games with SP have had both of us as non-town, so he has a sampling bias thing happening.

[MehPlusRawr]

Now I FINALLY understand the case on CKD, and it's a good one. Thanks, Iec.

Vote: CKD

[farside22]

Hey budja if you think CKD is scum would you be willing to hammer him?

[Papa Zito]

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time. THAT'S TOMORROW, FOLKS!

Harf.

curiouskarmadog -

4

- Budja, Anon, Iecerint, Papa Zito
Iecerint -

4

- curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, SpyreX, SocioPath

We lynch CKD and Iec hammers Y/y?

[SpyreX]

We lynch CKD and Iec hammers Y/y?

Y

Unvote, Vote: CKD

[Cyberbob]

Sorry about my low activity the last couple of days everyone, I've not had much time for anything on the Internet.

It looks like we're headed for a CKD deadline-lynch - I'm up for that after reading Iec's summary. I still think he's scum but there's no reason for him to lie about such easily-verifiable facts; I would definitely support him putting the hammer down.

The only problem is that he's actually already voting for CKD... he'd have to unvote and then we'd have to make up the L-1 numbers without him. So we'll have to see.

Unvote, Vote: CKD

[Iecerint]

I'll hammer if that's what people want. It's fair enough in that it was my case to start.

[Míriel Therindë]

Vote Count 4 - 18: Lynch

curiouskarmadog -

7

- Budja, Anon, Iecerint, Papa Zito, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Cyberbob
Anon - 1 - Starbuck
Iecerint - 2 - curiouskarmadog, SocioPath
Starbuck - 1 - J-Scope
Budja - 4 - ooba, farside22, xvart, Jack
xvart - 1 - Kmd4390

Not Voting (1): Cobalt

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 PM Eastern Time.