Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[MonkeyMan576]

Wow, I've never seen such a baseless wagon, like, ever.

This is not a defense. Show us why its baseless.

One vote is made without any real reasoning, another vote just basically says the same thing that someone else said, and there is a FOS without any reasoning.

[Zang]

Post 76: IF he is scum, Zang. Read please. HUGE difference.

Not really. Although I was refering to Diacrias post, I was also talking about the case agains SpyreX in general

Someone who is town should be trying to get scum lynched. You can't do that with an FoS. If you're suspicious of someone, you should be voting them unless you're voting someone more suspicious, and I don't think any of the people who FoS'd others had a decent vote on another person.

So, if a person is voting for somebody more scummy than someone else, it's ok to FoS them?

If so than why not say it before.?

[Pomegranate]

Vote Count Issues!!!

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito

PZ, got something to tell us?

Why would you call it out Starbuck when it looks like you are the one who gave PZ the extra vote? Do you have an explanation for this part of PZ's story?

Kunk, why does it seem to you that Starbuck gave PZ the extra vote?

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I know that I've been asked question(s) ITT, and I plan to address than tonight.

[kunkstar7]

Vote Count Issues!!!

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito

PZ, got something to tell us?

Why would you call it out Starbuck when it looks like you are the one who gave PZ the extra vote? Do you have an explanation for this part of PZ's story?

Kunk, why does it seem to you that Starbuck gave PZ the extra vote?

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
Papa Zito (0): Starbuck

[Pomegranate]

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
Papa Zito (0): Starbuck

I don't think that that necessarily means that Starbuck gave him the doublevote today. It seems likely to me that those are unrelated.

[kunkstar7]

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
Papa Zito (0): Starbuck

I don't think that that necessarily means that Starbuck gave him the doublevote today. It seems likely to me that those are unrelated.

That's why I asked if Starbuck had an idea of what was going on. Starbuck and PZ are related somehow though in this situation.

[Pomegranate]

Starbuck and PZ are related somehow though in this situation.

That's a possibility, not a fact.

[Diacria]

I like cow's format.

I agree with Sens about alts identifying their main accounts.

Sorry. No.

Any reason we're just coming out and claiming people are town on Day 1?

Yeah, Because...they are! :p

I don't get the whole vote count thing. It's not a mod error?
Ort is probably town.
Spy still needs to die.

[Starbuck]

On kunkstar7

Why would you call it out Starbuck when it looks like you are the one who gave PZ the extra vote? Do you have an explanation for this part of PZ's story?

Because I *KNOW* that I gave him the vote, and knew that the vote count would reflect it.

It was going to be found out soon enough anyways.


I'm more or less a stump now.

On hasdgfas

If you believe I was left in a scummy mess, could you please explain it? You are the only one to think so right now, as far as I can tell.

1. If you re-read this game, you will notice that I'm not the only one who thinks he left you in a scummy mess.

2. All of his contradictions and the fact that he replaced out as soon as there was some kind of pressure on him.

also @Star: I find it very hard to believe that you don't get the case on Monkey. Could you read over his posts again? It's rather obvious.

I asked the question after re-reading over the 4 or so pages we had in the game at that point, and I still don't understand it, which is why I asked.

I don't ask questions that I can answer myself.

On Pomegranate

I don't think that that necessarily means that Starbuck gave him the doublevote today. It seems likely to me that those are unrelated.

Why would you make such a profound statement if you really don't know the situation?

[dramonic]

I don't get the whole vote count thing. It's not a mod error?

The current votecount is correct

[Pomegranate]

On Pomegranate

I don't think that that

necessarily

means that Starbuck gave him the doublevote today. It

seems likely to me

that those are unrelated.

Why would you make such a profound statement if you really don't know the situation?

Note the bolded. I wasn't trying to make a profound statement.

[Cuttlefish]

Spy still needs to die.

I think that Spy is town. You can't ignore that his millerness jives perfectly with what I'd expect of a DeathNote role.

[manho]

Manho as for his stalling and the two faced position towards the topic. One thinks Maskie is stretching, yet the other still wants an explanation from Orto.

maybe i've got Schizophrenia then.

but actually, i didn't think those 2 are contradicting. Mask is stretching only implies that i think orto is neutral to pro-town, and orto is soft-claiming a guilty result on zazie, so we need an explanation from orto to prove it, sooner or later. i prefer later as orto may want to save his claim later so as to get more results. but it is up to orto.

Speaking about Manho, don't like his vote. The insane part gives him a reason to backtrack. Also, can you tell why you're getting a town gut feeling from Monkey and why you think your gut is insane?

gut feeling is, you know, a gut feeling. i can't explain it, as it is a gut feeling. and i find my gut insane from my experience. whenever i got a gut feeling on someone being town, they flip scum. and vice versa.

[manho]

mask's case on ort is a bit far-stretched, but ort need to explain it sooner or later. i prefer later.

I would normally find this comment extremely scummy (there's not really anything in The Mask's case I can actually respond to, it's all baseless speculation), but something about manho's phrasing gives me the innocent newb vibe. manho might be someone to watch later on if he's an alt.

no i'm not an alt. you should have played with me before.

[manho]

Orto, I have no intention of claiming. Please state your reason for wanting one.
Also, the part about the Ocarina of Time wasn't aimed at you, but at Phoenix.

But Orto, thanks for helping me find the answer to the thing I wanted to know. You can die now.

FoS: zazie

, it would be a vote if i didn't have the gut investigation result on monkey.

you should claim.

[manho]

Spy still needs to die.

why?

[Diacria]

Spy still needs to die.

I think that Spy is town. You can't ignore that his millerness jives perfectly with what I'd expect of a DeathNote role.

I don't know DeathNote well. Could a mafia role fit him too?

[Cuttlefish]

I don't know DeathNote well. Could a mafia role fit him too?

Possibly, but not as well as miller.
DeathNote is a guy who sigged that he was always an easy lynch and is really self-defeatist all the time. Miller just suits DeathNote so perfectly that I can't imagine him being a scum role.

[ZazieR]

Orto, I have no intention of claiming. Please state your reason for wanting one.
Also, the part about the Ocarina of Time wasn't aimed at you, but at Phoenix.

But Orto, thanks for helping me find the answer to the thing I wanted to know. You can die now.

FoS: zazie

, it would be a vote if i didn't have the gut investigation result on monkey.

you should claim.

Why?
Orto is scum, so I can see why he wants me to claim. What's your reason?

REMINDER: Manho is sooooooo Orto's partner.

[hasdgfas]

I don't know DeathNote well. Could a mafia role fit him too?

Possibly, but not as well as miller.
DeathNote is a guy who sigged that he was always an easy lynch and is really self-defeatist all the time. Miller just suits DeathNote so perfectly that I can't imagine him being a scum role.

safeclaims are always possible.

On hasdgfas

If you believe I was left in a scummy mess, could you please explain it? You are the only one to think so right now, as far as I can tell.

1. If you re-read this game, you will notice that I'm not the only one who thinks he left you in a scummy mess.

2. All of his contradictions and the fact that he replaced out as soon as there was some kind of pressure on him.

There wasn't really that much pressure on him. And there's no way he replaced out due to pressure, he's not that type of player, and it was just questions he was already answering.

Could you point out the contradictions you see and why they're scummy please, if you even think it's worth asking me about? I mean, I didn't make his posts so the only explanation I could give is what I think about it, and I doubt that will change your mind at all if you're so sure it's scummy.

also @Star: I find it very hard to believe that you don't get the case on Monkey. Could you read over his posts again? It's rather obvious.

I asked the question after re-reading over the 4 or so pages we had in the game at that point, and I still don't understand it, which is why I asked.

He's playing both sides of Spyre, calling him suspicious, but not overly suspicious, so he can either jump on the wagon or stay off, depending on how the town goes. He didn't defend his FoS in a way that made sense; he's calling the wagon on him baseless when it's obviously not. And post 80.

[MonkeyMan576]

also @Star: I find it very hard to believe that you don't get the case on Monkey. Could you read over his posts again? It's rather obvious.

I asked the question after re-reading over the 4 or so pages we had in the game at that point, and I still don't understand it, which is why I asked.

He's playing both sides of Spyre, calling him suspicious, but not overly suspicious, so he can either jump on the wagon or stay off, depending on how the town goes. He didn't defend his FoS in a way that made sense; he's calling the wagon on him baseless when it's obviously not. And post 80.

This is a false dilemma here. You're acting like people act in only two degrees, scummy or town. This is obviously not the case. There are different degrees of scumminess, and if something doesn't rise to a significant degree, there's nothing anti-town about using an FOS rather than a vote to show your opinion.

[manho]

Orto, I have no intention of claiming. Please state your reason for wanting one.
Also, the part about the Ocarina of Time wasn't aimed at you, but at Phoenix.

But Orto, thanks for helping me find the answer to the thing I wanted to know. You can die now.

FoS: zazie

, it would be a vote if i didn't have the gut investigation result on monkey.

you should claim.

Why?
Orto is scum, so I can see why he wants me to claim. What's your reason?

REMINDER: Manho is sooooooo Orto's partner.

if you are town, you should consider the town vs town situation first. calling a soft-claimed person scum is anti-town. so, are you sure it is not a town vs town situation?

[Starbuck]

Orto, I swear that you and I have been in a game together with manho.

Why do you think that he's an alt?

[ortolan]

Orto, I swear that you and I have been in a game together with manho.

Why do you think that he's an alt?

what game? I couldn't exclude the possibility to be honest, I don't recall every player I've ever played with.

I have good reason to ask Zazie to claim, let's put some pressure on him to claim now shall we? Asking me for a reason is unnecessary and potentially scummy.

[Starbuck]

I couldn't tell you which. I keep my Wiki updated, but not with all the players of each game.

I just could swear you've played with him before. He's been around for awhile.