Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!
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It's only too powerful for scum. Me using the ability will in pretty much all cases be detrimental to the town.
I assume the reason my power is unlimited is that it makes more sense thematically. The Halls of Mandos are mine, why would I only be able to prevent someone from leaving once?
The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the raspberry-laden foe but also the raspberries.-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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Iecerint Survivor
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SpyreX POWERFUL WIZARD
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Where did you get 2-shot from?
ACTUALLY, considering how realistically the revive mechanic could make it really hard for scum to win I'm not swayed by the too powerful for scum argument one bit.-
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Jack Jack of All Trades
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SpyreX POWERFUL WIZARD
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Allow me to expand a bit more:
The revive/restore mechanics require some way for scum to manipulate it or, especially with less players, the same town player will be there over and over again.
There is, realistically, three ways for this to work: a single scumgroup with more than one method to kill (forcing a dilemma on who to raise), a method to keep the restorations from working or a method to eliminate people in the hall (mandos-vig).
We've just seen the middle - done by PM even so there isn't even a way to KNOW how its going to happen if it were to go that way.-
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Iecerint Survivor
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That's a good point, but why wouldn't he have already blocked (for example) farside's revival? I guess they could be Sons of Feanor together (SPS mentioned them offhand earlier almost out of nowhere IIRC, which could possibly indicate inside knowledge), but I don't know why SoF would control that mechanic flavor-wise, and that's positing a lot of unknowns.
I guess the flavor could be a red herring, but ye know. That wouldn't be very satisfying.-
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SpyreX POWERFUL WIZARD
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Its value increases dramatically as the game progresses and holding it makes it a factor that can't be accounted for.
If we get a claimed for reallies PR dying I bet they wouldn't have been revived.-
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Steam-Powered Shovel Goon
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Name me a scum character who would hold such a power. Sauron? Melkor? Carcharoth? Curufin?Jack wrote:Basically there's almost no way that the mod didn't give the scum some power over the revive/destroy votes in this setup. Governor is guaranteed to be a scum role.
So essentially you think the Mod put in a mechanism and then gave scum a power to mostly nullify the mechanism? On top of that, the Mod also gave that power to one person to make the game extra swingy.SpyreX wrote:ACTUALLY, considering how realistically the revive mechanic could make it really hard for scum to win I'm not swayed by the too powerful for scum argument one bit.
We had 4 kills last Night, SpyreX, reviving is not that spectacular in the face of that many kills. And there's a delayed reveal to compensate.
Besides, if I were scum, I'd have just used my powers for evil. Blocking 2 revives would be more useful than a credible fake claim. (Or just prevent the reveals to cause apathy.)
I've read the Silmarillion and the Feanor-storyline is a big part of it. Being familiar with the flavour is not a scum tell.Iecerint wrote:I guess they could be Sons of Feanor together (SPS mentioned them offhand earlier almost out of nowhere IIRC, which could possibly indicate inside knowledge)
I already got suspicion on me Day 1, so why would I risk waiting as scum?SpyreX wrote:Its value increases dramatically as the game progresses and holding it makes it a factor that can't be accounted for.The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the raspberry-laden foe but also the raspberries.-
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Míriel Therindë Townie
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Just warning y'all that deadline is 8:27 pm EASTERN TIME TONIGHT.
I announced this yesterday (sorry for not having remembered to note it for you earlier; I'll be more careful with that in the future) but in case you haven't yet realized. You have about . . . a little less than SIX HOURS until deadline hits.-
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Iecerint Survivor
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I'm saying that your failure to stop the farside revival would make sense if you were Elfscum together. We know that farside is an elf. Your knowledge of the SoF is just a bonus. I've never read the Silmarillion, but I can take your word for it that they figure prominently in the story.
Preview edit: I'll be back before deadline to prevent NL, I guess. I totally didn't notice deadline.-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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Iecerint wrote:I'm saying that your failure to stop the farside revival would make sense if you were Elfscum together. We know that farside is an elf. Your knowledge of the SoF is just a bonus.Fos: Iecerint
I need to think about a few things but I can tell I'm not going to have time to get everything out before deadline.
Can the ability that SPS be scum action. I could see it, but I feel more and more it's a safe claim. Why would there be a governor to stop players from reviving or destroying someone. The majority of the votes are town.
I do know of one role I saw where scum were allowed once per game to fake a pardon (this is in respect of lynching)
SPS: If you stopped someone from being destroyed would they sit in the Halls? Same question about stopping someone from being revived. Or are they dead for good if you stop it?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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You could ask the same question about regular Governors. It makes a lot of thematic sense for Mandos to have this type of power though.Farside wrote:Why would there be a governor to stop players from reviving or destroying someone. The majority of the votes are town.
I merely prevent the Revive/Destroy action from taking place. They stay in the Halls.Farside wrote:SPS: If you stopped someone from being destroyed would they sit in the Halls? Same question about stopping someone from being revived. Or are they dead for good if you stop it?The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the raspberry-laden foe but also the raspberries.-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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Your implying that scum would only stop a revival if the player was town if SPS is scum. That's a lot of WIFOM and comes off scummy in my view.Iecerint wrote:What about that quote do you object to, other than the fact that it implicates you iff SPS goes to HoM upon death?
I don't think I'm going to get anyone to agree with me on CB, cobalt or CKD before the deadline but i will give it a shot.
vote: colbalt
come on people.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Míriel Therindë Townie
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I was thinking that he wouldn't fakeclaim something confirmable. It's true that because of deadline ultimately being in 3 hours, that isn't as good a heuristic as usual (he'd last an extra day), but I doubt that was on his mind, if only because I'd forgotten about it.
I suppose there's always the chance of claiming roleblock to save him.
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