Mini 954 ~ Mafia at the 11th Hour (Game Over!)

[Vi]

Vote Count X:

- The Sound of Silence

Nikanor (L-2) ~ dramonic, d3x, VP Baltar, Jahudo,

Gammagooey

, Pomegranate

Porkens (L-5) ~ Seraphim, Percy
Seraphim (L-5) ~ Nikanor, Gammagooey
dramonic (L-6) ~ Porkens,

Pomegranate

TonyMontana (L-6) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-6) ~ TonyMontana

Minimum (L-7)

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-Prodding TonyMontana...

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[d3x]

Hope everyone had a good weekend! Let's start with Nik's response.

This does not feel like RVS joking to me, it feels legit. Couple that with the fact that he backs up the position in p48 {he calls it both evidence and a lead} and we're heading down to UnHappy town. He also skips past his reasoning for ignoring the other lurkers {not so subtley from you in p29 and again in p41 just in case he missed it the first time around}.

a) I don't see how being serious about something is scummy, and b) I never skipped over any reasoning.

a) Calling someone out for posting in another game is valid if that person is lurking in the one you're playing. We were on p26. That's ridiculous. The fact that you Voted him is one thing, the fact that you backed it up and held to your nonRandom Vote is another. What exactly would you expect him to post? RVS nonsense? What is the Scum motivation behind VP's actions here? b)Did you check on the other players to see if they were posting anywhere else? If it's a valid ScumHunting option for page 2 and you didn't, why not?

Yeah, and because I do them as scum I assume that everyone does them as scum. That's how I hunt for scum. I think, "What would I do in his position, as scum and as town?" and then make a decision on his scumminess/towniness accordingly.
And I don't ever recall doing this as town.

The problem is, you

do

this as Town, as I pointed out. I don't know what your angle was in saying you 'don't remember doing this' and then saying you try to forget the examples I posted {in the same post}, but it's not working on me.

Lurker hunting on page five fails, that's why. I had better evidence, so I went for it.

So you are holding the position that Percy was Lurking when he made his 'catching up' post?

Anyway, the point is not that I do that exclusively as scum. The point is that I do that as scum five times more often than I do as town.

So where are you now?

Mod

- Prod on Nik, plz?

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@Gamma- How do you pick one active lurker over another {hint- there's a lot of them}? Do you think the case on Nik is weaker than a Lurker Hunt?

*bad feelings in this direction*

How do you feel about Jahudo's p170?

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In fact, dram, since you've been on Nik since your random vote I'd like you to explain why you are on the wagon still and why you think he'd be the best lynch.

This.

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@DDD-

I can't believe

{AwesomeWagon}

is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.

What specifically makes Tony different from Seraphim or dramonic?

Please point me to the post where you think your best level of contribution has been attained. Your Iso is looking pretty slim on the content, imo.

[Gammagooey]

@d3x- This isn't an answer to the question but I don't think Nik is prod-eligible yet.

This is an answer to the question-
No, the case on Nik is the best case I've seen out of anything right now as I thought I stated earlier. However, I don't want the day to end yet, and I'm pretty sure Porkens would hammer if Nik was at L-1.

If some of the lurkers have legitimate reasons for lurking and do in fact just need a little more time before they can post some content, I'd like to give it to them before the day ends. If not, then nothing changes except they have more explaining to do for lurking harder than they would be able to with a quicker lynch. I don't see a downside to slowing this down until it gets closer to deadline.

[d3x]

Gamma- I can get behind that line of thought. And while Nik has ~40mins until he's Prod eligible; I believe the point remains.

[Gammagooey]

Oh, it's technically Monday now isn't it. MIGHT have overlooked that.

Also Jahudo's post-
Agreeing with Pom's vote is cool, the earlier parts don't seem to have a point.

[TonyMontana]

/picking up prod, picking up game after work

[d3x]

the battery will be replenished by 10% (enough for two days if you're not lazy about it).

Just as a heads up, a nonlazy RL day of posting will get us about 5% depletion/RL day. By that logic, we have less than a week with fully active posting. I wouldn't categorize us as the most active of Towns right now. Recently, we've been dropping ~5-10%/RL day. With this in mind, we could have as few as 3 RL days until deadline.

While I don't want to end the Day right now, I do not want this to go to No Lynch at deadline. There are nonstandard mechanics at work here that we need to keep in mind. The Day is swiftly drawing to a close.

@Gamma- I was more interested in your thoughts on Jahudo's point about Seraphim's Lurking =/= a good Scum Tell atm. As you've shared your thoughts on not ending the Day any earlier than needs be, this satisfies.

[Jahudo]

I had said that Seraphim doesn't look like an intentional lurker-scum because its only an 8-page game, and it doesn't make sense as a strategy if you're going to stick out more and not even going to have to post much to be considered "active".

But I also see that Seraphim has posted elsewhere on the site on Saturday, so maybe he is avoiding his catch-up post.

And I can see where scum would lurk as much as they could get away with it, because we're on an activity-based deadline.

So Seraphim has been very anti-town, and we do need to hear more from him.

Side note: I feel that Tony has been lurking and acting scummy when he's actually posted, so I'd vote him before Seraphim. And Nik wagon is still good.

[dramonic]

In fact, dram, since you've been on Nik since your random vote I'd like you to explain why you are on the wagon still and why you think he'd be the best lynch.

He displayed high opportunism with his vote on Percy and then vanished into a puff of smoke. I find this to be at best anti-town, at worst downright scummy.

I am also experiencing mixed feelings about Seraphim.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD-

I can't believe

{AwesomeWagon}

is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.

What specifically makes Tony different from Seraphim or dramonic?

It looks to me like Seraphim has actually tried to get involved at least once in the game. I don't think dramonic is so different than Tony really and I could accept lynching either of them.

[Jahudo]

Does anyone have a town read on Nikanor?

[Porkens]

We need a night.

unvote
Vote: Nikanor

[Gammagooey]

And we need it before Tony and Sera say anything why?

[VP Baltar]

Porkens, why exactly do we need to rush to a night when the deadlines are already short enough as is?

DDD, in three sentences or less, tell me why I should switch from Nik to dramonic.

Tony- waiting and ready.

Agree that seraphim needs to post something of good substance before today is out.

[Porkens]

We need to put our lurkers to the wall.

Them not posting at all would be, in its own way, as informative as anything they might say in a post.

[Jahudo]

Hey Nikanor: Did you get an ability by going to L-1?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD, in three sentences or less, tell me why I should switch from Nik to dramonic.

*As I refuted Pomegranate's points Niks behavior has not been scummy, his points may be incorrect but that doesn't correlate one to one with scummy.
*Are you sure this isn't just a case like F&E where a player made the mistake of attacking a player with connections and friends that leads to his demise.
*We cannot allow players to just coast through the game without even trying; as we both know allowing such behavior is a recipe for disaster.

[VP Baltar]

Porkens-your reasoning is stupid at best. Hurrying the day along does not pressure lurkers near as much as continuing the day and noting their lurking publically.

*As I refuted Pomegranate's points Niks behavior has not been scummy, his points may be incorrect but that doesn't correlate one to one with scummy.
*Are you sure this isn't just a case like F&E where a player made the mistake of attacking a player with connections and friends that leads to his demise.
*We cannot allow players to just coast through the game without even trying; as we both know allowing such behavior is a recipe for disaster.

*I'm not certain I agree. I do think Nik was reaching more than a bit. I can see where you are coming from, but I'm not certain.
* I don't understand what you are saying here.
*I agree and offing dram today isn't really a bad choice, but Nik isn't exactly present either. Perhaps if he was here posting I'd feel better about him, but lurking (after calling lurking a scumtell) is lynch worthy atm.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Point #2: in LYLO what I said about D1 of F&E, I still say charlatan was lynched mostly because of who he attacked. It feels to me like part of the reason Nik is being voted here is that his first serious vote came against Percy who has connections with most of the people in this game.

[VP Baltar]

Alright, I can see what you are saying now.

[Porkens]

Porkens-your reasoning is stupid at best. Hurrying the day along does not pressure lurkers near as much as continuing the day and noting their lurking publically.

That's what happens when you try to squeeze reasoning out of me, sometimes. Sorry

[VP Baltar]

Let me clarify then, do you think Nik is scum or you just want a night/give Nik an ability?

[Percy]

No Seraphim is annoying. I think a back-and-forth between Nik and Seraphim would clear up some of my muddy reads.

I'm very ambivalent about Nikanor. I don't like being white-knighted, and at least some of the case has developed because of this (as DDD correctly pointed out).

Porkens' votes have all been really poor; his TM vote, his dramonic vote, and now his Nikanor vote. My wagon is small, but it is mighty.

[Porkens]

Let me clarify then, do you think Nik is scum or you just want a night/give Nik an ability?

I just want to lynch someone. Nik or Dram or Percy would be fine for me.

[dramonic]

wouldnt white knighting be a defense of you? Nik was for lynching you AFAICS