Mini 956: The Quayside (Game Over)

[NabakovNabakov]

Goatrevolt is moving the game forward and part of me wants to say he's slightly townish, but I don't know if it's warranted. I wonder if Elmo could comment on this.

He's prolly town

unvote vote ectomancer

(this is me not making a waffle post since you found that scummy last time fwiw)

Oh, hi Elmo, nice of you to show up 8 minutes after someone first asked for your opinion on something. Care to elaborate on... anything?

@Goat: If you're still set on pops being scum, you must be

really

set on SC being scum. Why haven't you said anything to his 71?

[Ectomancer]

Ectomancer, I don't see where iamausername did that, are you talking about pops?

That was indeed Pops. My apologies to User.
What's with the negativity Pops?

[popsofctown]

All towntells are weak. If there was something that was really a guaranteed way to make yourself look town, scum would do it. In this way, towntells sort of always remain weak. There's few exceptions.

Scumtells happen because people mess up. People mess up, but they can't "awesome up" and do some epic towntell.

[Ectomancer]

Hi Elmo. I thought maybe I said something about you waffling last game. Was it me or Patrick?

[Ectomancer]

All towntells are weak. If there was something that was really a guaranteed way to make yourself look town, scum would do it. In this way, towntells sort of always remain weak. There's few exceptions.

Scumtells happen because people mess up. People mess up, but they can't "awesome up" and do some epic towntell.

...and?

Did you think it necessary to warn people off of believing people to be town based off a single tell? Why would you not then do the same about single scum tells? (not scum slips, there is a big difference) In my experience, there is a much greater danger in someone taking a single scum tell and running it to a town lynch than there is of someone deciding that a player is town off a single tell and letting scum live because of it.

There is no need for warning players off using a means to win, especially when the actual danger you warn of is, as far as I know, non-existant in any actual game.

[Elmo]

It was Patrick, there was this post in Satin Doll Showdown where I waffled and I keep thinking he said it was scummy but then I remember he told me he didn't (I think?)

I think you did say something about waffling in reference to my stance on Adel in Tofu Day 2 tho.

[Ectomancer]

Ahh ok.

You don't seem very enthusiastic about your vote then.

[Elmo]

I'm entralled with my vote, I just can't remember why I put it there

[Ectomancer]

...

Alrighty. I'll direct it to the proper wagon when the time comes.

[Incognito]

Though I might agree with you that an incautious townie could make the same mistake, I will also not discount that the guy who says he always plays scummy will do scummy things as scum.

But McGriddle never claimed that he always plays scummy. He said that his play is just terrible regardless of his alignment. I think there's a difference between the two.

I don't mind Elmo's vote on Ectomancer there - the one thing that I was beginning to notice about Ectomancer's play was that his vote over the past few pages was moving about a bit too loosely for my taste. I don't know if this is typical of Ecto though since I've never played with him before.

Elmo, any thoughts on any of the other things that have happened over the past few pages?

I disagree with practically everything popsofctown said in his 102. I'm too mentally drained to elaborate on why. Incidentally I probably won't be able to post again until late Thursday. Exam to continue to study for, and I still have like 4 chapters to go.

[Hoopla]

Day 1, Vote Count #5

With twelve alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch. Deadline is schedueled for 7:00AM GMT, April 26th <Countdown>.

SerialClergyman

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3

(Jahudo, McGriddle, Goatrevolt)

RedCoyote

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3

(iamausername, SerialClergyman, Ectomancer)

Goatrevolt

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2

(Patrick, popsofctown)

Ectomancer

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2

(NabakovNabakov, Elmo)

Elmo

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1

(Incognito)

Not voting

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1

(RedCoyote)

[SerialClergyman]

Patrick, who do you think is looking scummy at the moment?

[Ectomancer]

Though I might agree with you that an incautious townie could make the same mistake, I will also not discount that the guy who says he always plays scummy will do scummy things as scum.

But McGriddle never claimed that he always plays scummy. He said that his play is just terrible regardless of his alignment. I think there's a difference between the two.

And yet I'm not going to play a game of splitting hairs with you.

I don't mind Elmo's vote on Ectomancer there - the one thing that I was beginning to notice about Ectomancer's play was that his vote over the past few pages was moving about a bit too loosely for my taste. I don't know if this is typical of Ecto though since I've never played with him before.

Elmo, any thoughts on any of the other things that have happened over the past few pages?

I'm sure Elmo will be pleased you approve, despite his not being able to recall or state why it was there. If you believe a vote was needed for "loose" voting, then why wasn't it your own?
I'd like you to defend that "loose" allegation. Even though my first vote could be tossed as occuring during RVS, I definitely provided a reason. My second vote was definitely a productive one that supported Goat's starting case and helped provide the legitimate pressure for a gaugeable response. My 3rd vote, as you know, also has case backing and has recieved at least partial support in it assertions from other players.
All well reasoned and deliberate, nothing I would describe as "loose". Pardon me if I take this as a bit of sniping from you.

[Ectomancer]

Wow. I couldn't believe I had never played a game with you Incognito. I searched 55 pages of Google, and you were right. The closest we came was I replaced out of a role in Mafia 88, and you later replaced in for a different role.
I don't really pay attention to how often I move votes in games. I can guess the pattern goes something like this: Random/Semi-random vote, vote on first valid wagon, vote for the case you believe in. That's day 1. Whether there are more steps after that depends upon events and information.

[popsofctown]

All towntells are weak. If there was something that was really a guaranteed way to make yourself look town, scum would do it. In this way, towntells sort of always remain weak. There's few exceptions.

Scumtells happen because people mess up. People mess up, but they can't "awesome up" and do some epic towntell.

...and?

Did you think it necessary to warn people off of believing people to be town based off a single tell? Why would you not then do the same about single scum tells? (not scum slips, there is a big difference) \

In context, i was asked what I thought of a player. Since I gave only positive feedback, I felt it necessary to say that all towntells are weak so it doesn't sum to a strong town read.

[popsofctown]

.....................55 pages?

[Goatrevolt]

Unvote
Vote popsofctown

[RedCoyote]

RedCoyote, your posts kind of give me two different impressions about what you think of Goatrevolt. You've said more than once you don't find him scummy, but your tone and wording more than once seems to imply suspicion. Do you think it's scummy to sound fake and unnatural?

Well, I'm certainly not assuming he's town. I obviously don't give him the same credit you do for his approach to the game so far, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to vote him. Are those positions compatible?

And yes.

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Make sense?

Yes. Well, yes in the sense that this all sounds more convoluted and scatterbrained than even I had originally thought.

Hypothetically, even if I were scum here, this wouldn't be something I would be paranoid about. Me firing back at people who criticize/attack me is pretty much a facet of my playstyle. When people attack me I like to try to figure out how honest they are in their attack and whether they truly believe it or not. I find it easier to get a read on players that way.

Mmmm...

There's still something wrong with this. Maybe I didn't use enough smileys, because I still contend that I didn't see it much of an "attack". I of course understand you asking questions and firing back at me, but the proportion, I thought, was off. In a way I can't blame you, because I guess it was the biggest chunk of text I had written in one setting, but the way you jump to the conclusion that you needed to be fending me off is off-putting.

What I mean by that is you've spent the bulk of your time going back and forth with me and yet you don't even believe me to be scum, or at least you aren't pushing for it.

I'll have to concede that I'm not doing a very good job here. I should definitely have some sort of bankable vote. Is it my fault that I liked the answers that McGriddle and SC both gave me? XD

Vote: Elmo

on the back of NabNab's post 100. I'd argue she's the last player to make a "real" post, and there's really nothing there that gives it substance. I'm not opposed to dropping a vote like that in principle, but I am opposed to it when there's both been no record of your perspective in the game and you've also failed to give more insight when asked to do so. It's nice that she showed up the second someone asked about her, but what little the response has to offer is steeped in a previous game's meta.

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.....................55 pages?

You wouldn't be playing up the fluff posts to coax us with your lovable meta, would you?

[popsofctown]

I post fluff with both alignments now. I found out it's actually pretty fun.

[Goatrevolt]

There's still something wrong with this. Maybe I didn't use enough smileys, because I still contend that I didn't see it much of an "attack". I of course understand you asking questions and firing back at me, but the proportion, I thought, was off. In a way I can't blame you, because I guess it was the biggest chunk of text I had written in one setting, but the way you jump to the conclusion that you needed to be fending me off is off-putting.

I didn't jump to the conclusion that I needed to fend you off. I really don't understand your point of contention here. You wrote 3 paragraphs on me, and I addressed them. The idea that I somehow needed to fend you off is entirely your interpretation, and it's incorrect.

SerialClergyman: What is your stance on Nabakov?

[Goatrevolt]

I post fluff with both alignments now. I found out it's actually pretty fun.

Do you also post non-fluff or is that a relic of the past?

[Goatrevolt]

@Nab: I haven't found anything particularly scummy about any of SC's recent posts, at least nothing relevant now.

I was debating whether to keep my vote on SC or swap back to pops, but after pops decided to ignore me calling him out on a possible lie (but addressing the rest of the post, so I assume he read it), I'm feeling good about swapping back.

Iam: Can you explain your previous experience with RedCoyote? Your first post hinted at a history of you voting for him and right now you are.

To the following people who still haven't placed a non-random vote:

Incognito
NabakovNabakov
Jahudo
popsofctown
Patrick
McGriddle

If you had to vote someone right now, who would it be?

[popsofctown]

I said I missed it. You said I was lying. You want me to say: "no, I really missed it?" Doesn't seem worthwhile, somehow.

I post nonfluff sometimes.

[popsofctown]

@Goat - I liked your game starter on Pops. I also think that gut reads are not to be dismissed out of hand. Whether his joked were forced or not depends on familiarity with him. Another opinion feels he is being Pops, and so the case boils down to my original description, a good game starter.

unvote

This is scummy, I don't like that (was rereading/isoing)

So I guess I'd vote Ectomancer for his halfway support of goatrevolt's case. It's fishy. Seems more like calculating what wagon he wants to be on or off of then continuous feelings about my alignment.

[McGriddle]

McGriddle
If you had to vote someone right now, who would it be?

I thought I had already done this but I didn't,

Unvote, Vote:Pops

That vote being Semi-Knowledgeable. I don't have much of a read on anyone else except pops.