Open 215 - Gurgi EC8 - Game Show Mafia, Over

[chnorek]

vote: farside22

for talking about ongoing games. Shame on you.

[chnorek]

to get this game going you guys have any ideas how shoud we play this setup?

[chnorek]

to get this game going you guys have any ideas how shoud we play this setup?

Sure. Do you?

im wondering how helpful can be suicidal cops.

[chnorek]

to get this game going you guys have any ideas how shoud we play this setup?

Sure. Do you?

im wondering how helpful can be suicidal cops.

There's two schools of thought here, and I'm not sure which would be best.

Either the Cops don't investigate every night, only when quite sure they can clear someone.
Or else the Cops claim (either hypocop or otherwise) who they will target the following night during every day.

If anyone else has any other paths that I haven't thought of, be my guest to mention them.

excacly what i meant, thanks.

VRK what do you think will be better? or everyone shoud decide on his own?

[chnorek]

i really like farside idea.

unvote

[chnorek]

@VRK

at least

one false claim scares me a bit, we wont be sure of 'town' result until cop actually die and confirm his role, but i see no better use of cops.

@Sens
in worst case we will end up with 5 players and 2 goons alive, its lylo anyways

FoS: wolf

[chnorek]

eww wrong, we may loose the game tonight. sory, Sens was right. i didnt count mislynch

[chnorek]

idea behind investigating most town people works best in my opinion.
cops claim at some point (close to end of day) and say who they are going to investigate during night.

If we are unlucky we will loose only cop we had.
If we have more than one cop it will probably benefit us.


Im curious about Crino, Sandman and mavsfan opinion.

[chnorek]

chnorek and Sandman: Saying that cops should claim at the end of the day is a terrible idea. Why would you even say this?

in worst case we will loose our cop (if we have 1)
if we have no cops at all we loose nothing
if we have 2 cops we have 1 confirmed read on D2
if we have 3 cops we have 2 confirmed reads on D2

if we go with hypocop strategy we have no confirmed reads until cop die (this can be D2, D3 or never).
if we are going to end up with lylo tommorow (and this will happen if we mislynch today) the more we know the better.

[chnorek]

chnorek and Sandman: Saying that cops should claim at the end of the day is a terrible idea. Why would you even say this?

in worst case we will loose our cop (if we have 1)
if we have no cops at all we loose nothing
if we have 2 cops we have 1 confirmed read on D2
if we have 3 cops we have 2 confirmed reads on D2

if we go with hypocop strategy we have no confirmed reads until cop die (this can be D2, D3 or never).
if we are going to end up with lylo tommorow (and this will happen if we mislynch today) the more we know the better.

Interesting.

But how do you tell if the one cop died because he investigated Mafia or because he was killed by the Mafia as the kill choice?

If the cop claims and declares who he's going to target, the Mafia can engineer the night to make it look any way they want.

With 2 cops the Mafia can only engineer 1 of the investigations. The other one would be clear.

None of that still prevents the Mafia from fake-claiming.

I think cops outright claiming introduces WIFOM. hypocopping doesn't introduce the WIFOM as much, but its drawback is that we can't be sure of results.

yes fake claims are possible
yes mafia can engineer NK to make it look like investigated person was a scum.
in first place i would be looking for confirmed town, not possible scum (for reason said above). guess that makes the chances of real result not as simple as i described, will need to think about it a bit.

[chnorek]

Cirno it takes suspiciously long.

[chnorek]

i think its almost impossible to make everyone vote 'most town' or we would end up with 2-3 investigated people.
We will need to decide on some order of hypoclaiming.

[chnorek]

sory but what means popcorn?

[chnorek]

ok i got it, thanks. sounds fine for me.

@Sens
everyone will investigate different person, that makes 3 cops hitting scum impossible.

[chnorek]

FoS: farside

for trying to build fake case on Cirno

[chnorek]

i didnt know. i just assumed you did to bring any reason for my random vote. why do you ask?

[chnorek]

i didnt know. i just assumed you did to bring any reason for my random vote. why do you ask?

Just looking for connections. Found it a bit odd like you seem to know it as fact. Something I'm going to ponder for a bit.

alright, i dont know what kind of connections you can build this way but oh well... good luck

FoS: farside

for trying to build fake case on Cirno

Yay she's being real clear what she meant in her post there and oh so more informative.

i have to agree here, it wasnt very clear and could be understand wrong.

vote: mavsfan41

So far mavs did possible buddying with Sans and removed his random vote. i think we cant afford any lurking in this game.

[chnorek]

@Mod VRK shoudnt have vote on mavsfan, he only FoS-ed

[chnorek]

i think mavsfan qualify for prod already

[chnorek]

i will investigate Sandman.
Cirno next.

[chnorek]

im fine with no-lynch.

however if we go for lynching i think its better to do it without claiming, at least not on D1.
my preferred lynch would be mavsfan, my vote is there anyways.

[chnorek]

Cirno was right at one point. no lynching = no pressure = no chance to find a scum. I have doubts if it can be viable strategy for more than first day.

[chnorek]

maybe its good time for scum to become part of history on this forums and be first to volunteer their own lives to save townie?

[chnorek]

it would be unfair to get replaced in this moment. *dodge prod*

[chnorek]

chnorek do you have anything to say about the night kill? The discussion that has gone on today?

would you? i will get lynched whatever i would have said. there is good chance game will end beforeD3 anyways, i consider it as lost, I didnt even imagine scenario that mavs would target someone else. Myself i would lynch whoever was in my place.
Only thing i can say is to leave discussion who is other scumm for next day, there will be enough time to build connections basing on flip.

[chnorek]

sorry for triple post, mod please delete those

[chnorek]

So chnorek, would you choose Cirno or farside to investigate, and why?

i would choose farside to confirm if he is scum or town. and yes, i just claimed.

[chnorek]

eh i didnt even consider possibility that mavs could target someone else...
thanks for game, will try better next time we meet.