Mini 954 ~ Mafia at the 11th Hour (Game Over!)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have done as the dog instructs and the dice have told me that TonyMontana is scum and Pomegranate and d3x are probably his scum partners.

Vote: TonyMontana

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have done as the dog instructs and the dice have told me that TonyMontana is scum and Pomegranate and d3x are probably his scum partners.

If d3x actually is scum, I am 90% sure that DDD is his buddy, because this really looks a lot like early-game distancing.

I really wanted to find a clip from The Soup from one of their segments called "Cool Story, Jeopardy Kid" but I couldn't find it. So instead I'm forced to go with the much meaner...

Cool Story, Horrible Bitch

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have done as the dog instructs and the dice have told me that TonyMontana is scum and Pomegranate and d3x are probably his scum partners.

If d3x actually is scum, I am 90% sure that DDD is his buddy, because this really looks a lot like early-game distancing.

So can we settle on d3x, TonyMontana and DDD? That sounds about right.

Vote: DDD

.

Already got her bussing her scum partners, I'm awesome.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Of course she's voting for me and not one of them which is less useful, Pom do you think you could switch that up? Thanks.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hey, I've actually got a semi-serious question for DDD. Did you actually roll dice to determine TonyMontana was scum?

That's what the mod's dog avatar says to do, doesn't it?

---And you're all great people~

That's a lie and you know it.

I got a laugh out of the day's posts. I needed it today. ~Vi

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

If you did, in fact, actually roll dice, why did you not use the dice tags in order to prove that you, in fact, roll dice?

Because I don't care if you think I actually rolled dice and I don't care if you think I tampered with the rolls either.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Tony told me in super secret code that he wants to be run up to L-1 so he can find out what his secret power is and I think we should oblige him. Tony wagon GO GO GO!

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD told me in super obvious code that he is lazy scum looking for easy lynch.

And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for meddling Tony and his damned dog.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Tony told me in super secret code that he wants to be run up to L-1 so he can find out what his secret power is and I think we should oblige him.

Why do you think there is merit in voting him on these grounds?

Because it's better than sitting around and waiting for someone to do something scummy. I'm all ears if you've got an actual argument you want to push, but inaction at this juncture is unacceptable.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

What I'm trying to say, maybe we should find scum.

I don't see anyone stopping you from doing just that...

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Already found one. See vote.

Well I'm convinced. Do you also have a newsletter I could subscribe to in order to be kept abreast of all your informative opinions?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD, how serious IS your TM vote? Still like him now that the wagon's been deflated?

Tony's done nothing other than whine about being the wagon of choice instead of doing anything productive. And frankly I'm surprised how quick that wagon seemed to deflate, I know it wasn't particularly pushed for any real reason, but I'm not seeing these other votes being for fantastic reasons or any reason not to pressure Tony. I'm not going to pretend like Tony is caught scum, but given everything so far I'm comfortable with my vote.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD- What don't you like/not buy into about the other Votes?

The other votes were on Porkens who was doing exactly what I was agitating for and dramonic who I generally think uncomplimentary things about and am not sure he's operating outside his usual MO.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unsolicited Thoughts:

Given I've only played the one game with him, but I feel that TownPork was very different in his playstyle than I'm experiencing here.

This and the question dodging {multiple requests for his reaction to AwesomeWagon with no direct response} is making me nervous, thus him being on my short list.

We just got out of a game where you, me, and Porkens were the scum team, so WTF is up with this statement.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

We just got out of a game where you, me, and Porkens were the scum team, so WTF is up with this statement.

Really, DDD? Pork was recruited. He didn't start as Scum. I feel that his Town play D1 in this game {for those who are interested} and his play thus far are completely different. I'm not seeing how this is so hard to grasp.

He was a traitor who knew who the scum team was and had the scum win condition from the very beginning. In no way, shape, or sense was he town in that game.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD - Do you plan to play this game with your usual level of activity?

Hey Tony, what's up? You don't seem to have much to say since attention turned away from you. What's the deal?

Hey, I have 15 posts so far out of 162, even ignoring the mod you'd expect only 13.5. I'm above average in this game, so shut your trap.

Tony's deal is that he's scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Assuming that all scum play the same way, when he's never played with Percy previously, as mentioned above.

If he doesn't have personal experience with a player then how else is he supposed to determine if they're scum other than relying on generalized behaviors? We all look for generalized actions and behaviors that we associate with a higher probability of a player being scum because that's what scumhunting is.

I can't believe this is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Assuming that all scum play the same way, when he's never played with Percy previously, as mentioned above.

If he doesn't have personal experience with a player then how else is he supposed to determine if they're scum other than relying on generalized behaviors? We all look for generalized actions and behaviors that we associate with a higher probability of a player being scum because that's what scumhunting is.

I can't believe this is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.

But he's not really relying on generalized behavior, from the way he put it. He's relying on personal behavior.

So he's generalizing from his personal behavior? So what? I absolutely do that at times; "here's what I would do as scum in this situation does this person's behavior match my expectations"? You can argue his conclusions are wrong, but I absolutely see nothing in that logical process that indicates scum.

~~~

Tony needs moar votes btw.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD-

I can't believe

{AwesomeWagon}

is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.

What specifically makes Tony different from Seraphim or dramonic?

It looks to me like Seraphim has actually tried to get involved at least once in the game. I don't think dramonic is so different than Tony really and I could accept lynching either of them.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD, in three sentences or less, tell me why I should switch from Nik to dramonic.

*As I refuted Pomegranate's points Niks behavior has not been scummy, his points may be incorrect but that doesn't correlate one to one with scummy.
*Are you sure this isn't just a case like F&E where a player made the mistake of attacking a player with connections and friends that leads to his demise.
*We cannot allow players to just coast through the game without even trying; as we both know allowing such behavior is a recipe for disaster.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Point #2: in LYLO what I said about D1 of F&E, I still say charlatan was lynched mostly because of who he attacked. It feels to me like part of the reason Nik is being voted here is that his first serious vote came against Percy who has connections with most of the people in this game.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Oh godamnit.
Can we run me up to L-1 on the off-chance that I get a vig that we so very, very desperately need?
I mean seriously, two lurkers that pick up their prods and go back to lurking and one more that shuts up as soon as he gets wagoned.

I am not kidding. Nik and Tony and Sera can all burn, I don't care which one we lynch today, and I am absolutely in favor in any plan that can make them die faster. If someone else thinks they're at all likely to get a vig at L-1 say so and I'll help.

Unvote
Vote:Gammagooey

That's nice, but since there's absolutely no guarantee anyone, let alone you will gain vig powers; it only makes sense to do this the conventional way and that's by hanging Tony from his neck until dead. So stop playing around and help my wagon go!

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unvotes are required.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I don't get why Tony thinks that DDD is scum and vice-versa. DDD, could you summarize the reasons for why Tony is scum?

I'm glad you asked this question in such a timely fashion you know when Tony was no longer in the game.

I'm about as likely to vote for myself as to vote VPB today. Maybe he's abusing my trust but I don't see it.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Nikanor lynch pls.

Opposed.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unvote; Vote: Porkens

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Sorry, about the delay in posting but my equilibrium for the game got thrown off when Nik flipped scum and I'm just trying to piece things together in this brave new world.

I know it's tired, but I still think Tony's action was absolutely terrible and I kindof think that if he was town that Nik would've taken some opportunity to jump on that wagon since it ballooned at two separate points. I really think it's the best lead at this point, so...

Vote: Semioldguy

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'd like to hear more from Cobalt, DDD and Percy.

I was hoping to get that Jahudo response tonight.

Maybe I should just start over since I was so off base on D1 and just use D2 to try and get some momentum back in the game since I feel so out of touch. I think I'll do that, but tomorrow it'll be since it's late.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Dramonic is probably town.

I think Jahudo raises a very interesting point about Nik’s comment about distancing. Since I know my alignment his comment only seems to really indict me if Tony/SOG is scum and why would he bother making the point if the relationship is town/town if he’s not going to use it to vote.

Mmm, in all honestly I might side with Jahudo against VPB here. I think VPB’s on-again, off-again relationship with the Nik and Tony wagons is odd to say the least, but it really only works as scum behavior if Tony/SOG is town so yet another reason to go for that lynch to see whether this criticism is valid at all or not.

I felt bad about my lack of content today until I went back and re-read the day and say that Cobalt, Percy, Porkens, and Cobalt were all about as useless as I’ve been and Dramonic is always that useless.

I really just keep coming back to Tony/SOG and every which way that looks like the best lynch to me.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Mmm, in all honestly I might side with Jahudo against VPB here. I think VPB’s on-again, off-again relationship with the Nik and Tony wagons is odd to say the least, but it really only works as scum behavior if Tony/SOG is town so yet another reason to go for that lynch to see whether this criticism is valid at all or not.

What exactly about what he is saying looks good to you? I never really had an "off" relationship with the Nik wagon so much as I was one of the few actually trying to keep discussion moving yesterday.

Certainly possible, but it's also viable that if Tony/SOG is town and you were trying to shift the town's attention to a town lynch while still maintaining your suspicion on Nik. Now, I don't think this as the most likely scenario as you can tell by the fact that I haven't called for your head but it's something I'm keeping in mind as a possibility.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD

: What is your read on Pomegranate? You seem to isolate some interaction with Nikanor here but never follow up on it.

Found something? She switched out herself for myself in the RVS scumlist I put together after rolling dice. No I did not find something actually useful from that post.

Other than that? She helped lynch scum on D1 which was positive and is on the best wagon today so I've got to say I'm currently inclined to believe she is town.

Interested in hearing from Gamma and Cobalt.

Gamma is dead...

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

This situation isn't confusing enough, let's add a third side.



Jahudo and Percy don't have to agree on a lynch, though that would work, they just have to convince me and I'll seal the deal.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Did I stutter?

It was previously stated that Percy and Jahudo would have to come to an agreement to secure a lynch. I'm claiming that's not the only case and that Jahudo+Me or Percy+Me can also secure a lynch.

Personally while I could still abide by a SOG lynch, I think I might have even more affinity for killing Cobalt for sheer uselessness.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think Vi edited the vote count in response to a clarification PM I sent after receiving my innate ability. I was wondering if it explained my name was in black, if I could vote and if Percy could vote me. Yes to all three, which meant the vote count was incorrect because a majority of 2 votes is 2, not 1, and we went from L-1 to L-2.

DDD: Do we have to vote in order for the lynch to pass, or can you do it all on your own?

No, I can't lynch anyone on my own.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I only assumed it activated because I was at L-1 because I noticed the L-1 wording in the vote count.

The vote count that has since been edited explicitly stated that no-one got L-1 powers as a result. This has now been mod-confirmed.

You also said you sent the mod a clarification PM *after* the original vote count was posted.

When exactly did you get your power? Are you saying your innate ability just coincidentally activated when I was made king?

Same question

@DDD

too.

Got my power a couple hours after Nik hit L-1.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

FWIW, I don't have a passive ability mine is active.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Got my power a couple hours after Nik hit L-1.

So you are reaching the conclusion they are related then, correct?

Re: your ability, I don't really care what it is, but I would like to know your personal opinion of whether it will be helpful today or not. If no, I think we should just take you out of the equation for now.

Don't see any other explanation for it really.

Well if one of Jahudo/Percy is scum then there's basically no chance they lynch scum because they have to agree and almost certainly they could find a compromise lynch on town. With my presence looming over their heads that's not really an option any more. I don't

have

to be involved and if we all come to consensus then there's no need for me to use my ability but I think it helped/helps to make sure there's another option besides Percy/Jahudo agreement.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

My top three are currently Jahudo, semioldguy and Porkens, for reasons I have stated elsewhere. I'm not going to let this day be a NL, but without Cobalt or DDD, and Jahudo's vote on Cobalt, we're at an impasse.

I'm here, it seemed town consensus was to let you and Jahudo hash it out and for me to use my power only as a last resort. It's getting close to that, so convince me and I'll likely swing your way otherwise it's probably Cobalt hanging from his neck.