Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Iecerint]

Lack of asking for a claim is a dead giveaway, nice try though, Jack.

Why did you post this?

FoS: SPS

.

Vote Count 16: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
xvart -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, FeFiFoFum, Anon, Jack
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
xofelf - 4 - SensFan, Drippereth, Papa Zito, xvart
Jack - 4 - SpyreX, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elmocrates
Cyberbob - 2 - Cobalt, Iecerint
Papa Zito - 1 - ooba
Cobalt - 2 - Cyberbob, Starbuck
Steam-Powered Shovel - 1 - farside22
FeFiFoFum - 1 - J-Scope
Iecerint - 1 - SocioPath

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[SocioPath]

Early-game bandwagonning is pro-town, certainly in big games.

Calling your own actions pro-town is never pro-town.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

If you're playing in a way you would not describe as pro-town, you're doing something wrong.

I'm not saying I'm more likely to be town here, if that's what you're thinking. I'm taking a stance on what's good early-game play. Obviously my early-game play is based on my beliefs regarding what's good early-game play.

Iecerint, was I not allowed to react to Jack's fake daykill?

[Cobalt]

Our "duel" wouldn't have been anywhere near as enduring if he a) could write and b) could read

These posts really don't help.

Cobalt, if I said you were avoiding commenting on most of the game by intentionally tunnelling on Bob, what would you say?

Elmo

my feelings would be hurt

[SocioPath]

If you're playing in a way you would not describe as pro-town, you're doing something wrong.

That is a bit of a false dilemma.

Every action a person takes could be described as pro-town, if the end result is helping them catching scum.

Unvote
Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel

[Iecerint]

No, you were not. Not until after it was confirmed as a fake daykill at the earliest. Town has no reason to do so; scum wants to alert their scumfriends of what's going on.

If you'd gone so far as to do that before CB had posted, I'd have voted you outright.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

SocioPath, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Don't you agree that people in a way that they feel benefits the town?

Iecerint, if we're not supposed to react to it, then why would scum need to alert their buddies? And I wouldn't have posted that if CB hadn't reacted first since I am aware that his reaction is most important.

[SocioPath]

SocioPath, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

The Ends Justify The Means.

[Iecerint]

Is it true that it is poor play for scum to react to a fake daykill? Yep. Does that mean that it is not scummy to react to a fake daykill prematurely (since scum "shouldn't" react)? No, it is still scummy. That is the same logical error I think 'crates was making when he wrote off Jack's behavior prematurely.

Your outburst is anti-town at best, but you appear aware of the value of evaluating reactions that result from a fake daykill, so the likelihood of that explanation is less than the general case IMO.

[MehPlusRawr]

Lack of asking for a claim is a dead giveaway, nice try though, Jack.

Wagoning may not be a scumtell, but pushing a pointless wagon is anti-town, and wagoning instead of scumhunting is anti-town. :X

Early-game bandwagonning is pro-town, certainly in big games. But you are right that I haven't done enough scumhunting; I just don't have a feel for this game. There's too much discussion about inconsequential tidbits.

You were bandwagoning more than in the early stage.

[PaltryExcuse]

I'm running into major RL flak right now. I'll update tomorrow or I replace out. Sorry all.

[Papa Zito]

I'd like to lynch SPS, Sens or papa zito. Those calling out elf over sens who is pretty much doing the same thing all get my

FOS

.

So you're looking at elf and thinking "yeah, that's a townie" right?

I'm thinking those calling out elf and neglecting sens are using bs reasoning.

I've seen Sens participating somewhat in the game. I've seen elf do exactly 0. To me there's a fairly substantial difference between the two.

Kill:CyberBob

Hate to waste it this early; but it's for the good of the game.

Hey something happened. Where's Plum?

[Míriel Therindë]

Here I am Zito dearest. Yes, I'll be updating the votecounts and declaring the Day 1 official deadline sometime tonight, so . . . oh, I did promise some flavor, didn't I?

---

"There came a time near dawn on the eve of spring, and Lúthien danced upon a green hill; and suddenly she began to sing. Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed." (Silmarillion, 165)

I promise I'll change stuff up when I post flavor next time, but oh, spring . . .

Carry on, all.

[Iecerint]

I wanted to wait for confirmation from Plum before I posted this. It's a little outdated, but it may address some of SX's concerns:

My understanding of Jack is not meta-derived. At worst, Jack posted it so I would think he was town, but that is WIFOM and not the default interpretation of his behavior IMO. His rhetoric just after posting it ("WHY WOULD SCUM DO THAT") is still slightly scummy, maybe, but I'm inclined to think it was a failed attempt to defuse the situation, and other rhetorical avenues really would not have been as feasible or profitable AFAIK.

Basically, I now know why he posted the very first bit, and said reason was not scummy. Slightly pro-town if anything. Cannot elaborate further.

If Jackwagon scum exist, my guess is CKD or SPS.

[Jack]

Ok so spyreX, besides me and SPS, who do you find suspicious?

I think xvart has been very scummy.

All I know is if either of them actually replace out of the game, those that pushed them based on reasons they specifically said not to, I will go on a warpath towards those that caused such.

See SIR CYANIDE's topic about being scum trying to force a modkill.

I agree with this. And that's one reason why it's acceptable to policy lynch people for being rude btw.

[SensFan]

Farside, they are both bringing their personal issues into the game.

I really don't understand how people can be all over one of them, but not the other.

Thats the point Star. I saw papa call out elf on this but said nothing about sens doing the same. Why are some people ignoring one over the other?

That's ridiculous. Xofelf has done absolutely nothing in this game except bring up the fact we 'dated' 6 months ago and claim some bullshit meta-tell on me, that I know she doesn't have.

I started the game off by playing normally, and have asked people specifically to stop talking about the out-of-game drama xofelf is bringing in.

Xofelf has used Appeal to Emotion (I've been waiting for this game for so long; If it weren't for my current relationship I'd say something to get myself banned; etc) and done basically nothing else except focus on me from her first post, and lie about her ability to read me when trying to cover up the blatant tunelling.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks darlin.

Jack, you went and got my hopes all up and now I'm sad. :/

I agree with SensFan's post.

[Míriel Therindë]

I'm going to set deadline for

Tuesday April 13, 7:30 PM Eastern Time.

I'll get you guys a countdown timer sometime soon.

[Starbuck]

Farside, they are both bringing their personal issues into the game.

I really don't understand how people can be all over one of them, but not the other.

Thats the point Star. I saw papa call out elf on this but said nothing about sens doing the same. Why are some people ignoring one over the other?

I'm not sure. Maybe they are focusing on the one that started making a bigger deal out of it first?

I just want it to stop or I want them both to replace out, so that they don't ruin the enjoyability of the game.

[Starbuck]

Or we can just lynch both of em and be done with it.

[SpyreX]

Ok so spyreX, besides me and SPS, who do you find suspicious?

Well, see, two is a good starting point at this juncture for me. I'm not gonna try and hunt down all the jerks at the mo'.

However, 17 pages in? I'm really not satisfied with the number of sheer lurkers we have (using the basic test of "did I remember offhand they were in the game):

Anon
Paltry
CKD
FFFF
OOba

Yea, this list I would be shocked, awed and sad if it was all town.

Thats for later though.

[Jack]

Actually I'm very pleased with Paltry's play. Look at his ISO and tell me his last post isn't just awesome.

[SpyreX]

Its pure awesome. Especially considering the ruleset.

[MehPlusRawr]

I thought I had

vote: Steam-powered Shovel

-ed.

[Papa Zito]

Hey Spy.

Where is the Jack hate?

You promised us Jack hate.

Also, someone shoot MehPlusRawr and put us both out of our misery.