So, I’ve read this entire game twice. That shouldn’t mean I remember everything, because there are almost 300 posts, and like, 17 people posting throughout.
Iecerint, post 31 wrote:
I'd already decided on my random vote, so I figured I'd go ahead and post on it. Since I was privileged to read a bit with innocent eyes, I'm fairly sure it'd've been the same regardless of the PM result.
So, you’re setting up a softclaim already? Whether you are scum or town, you waste no time setting that up. Why’d you feel the need to go ahead and do that?
Personally, this whole mess over the Iecerint having not received his PM yet is a bother. Would it have been
that
hard to not post for a day or so? Its resemblant of purposefully not reading your role PM so that you don’t act scummy.
Mindgamer, post 45 wrote:
Johoohno wrote:
@ MindGamer: Strut your stuff, show us your alleged manipulation routine!
Not this game I'm afraid. I'm town aligned.
So, you can’t manipulate the mafia if you’re part of the town? We’re missing out then, on your prowess. Perhaps we should lynch the useless "town-alignned" player. And another soft claim.
SD, post 50 wrote:
At least got a non random dabate started which might produce useful information.
/unvote
/vote Snow_Bunny
I think random stage is over. Tell me, what is your reason to vote Iec?
Snow_Bunny had not yet been on, so she is entitled a vote. Eager to put the pressure on her, or eager to whack a townie? And you are using the line that Jack pointed out. Eager to point out the obvious “production of useful information”?
VasudeVas, post 60 wrote:
green and Iec seems town versus town, mostly from gut
And:
VasudeVas, post 60 wrote:
Getting good vibes from Mindgamer so far mostly gut.
You seem to be going off your gut, which is not the most laudable thing ever. I’ll be paying attention to your gut more often.
Post 60:
And we start the pages-long arc about ESL [English as a Second Language]. Perhaps Iecerint and SD thought it would be a good move, as scum, to throw something like that in there. Nothing like garnering sympathies for a player at a disadvantage.
I’ve heard that scum like to talk. So by bringing this ESL thing Iecerint is contributing to discussion without really getting us anywhere.
Iecerint wrote:
This is relevant because it might affect how his posts should be interpreted.
Typical, a way to lessen the heat on a scumbuddy.
greenindirt wrote:
Oh yeah and english isn't my first language either so please be easy on me. /lies
Something that was picked up by greenindirt as well.
Iecerint, post 73 wrote:
Since the dicerolls are evidently null
Not so. The decision to use a diceroll is perhaps relevant. Either it takes out the need to find something trivial in someone early on, they’re looking for ways to speed the game up, or he is scum. There’s something we can learn from everything, supposedly.
Iecerint wrote:
At the time, I thought that the dice-voting was not only anti-town, but also potentially scummy. Your meta information demoted it to merely being anti-town, which made GiD's potentially scummy action supercede it.
And anti-town players don’t actually help us out, so while its optimal to lynch scum, lynching them isn’t a complete 100% loss for the town.
Iecerint, post 86 wrote:
If Jack is town, it is unlikely that future discussion with him will make me more convinced of the fact. So that promotes ending discussion at the moment.
If Jack is scum, his rhetoric has already crossed the scumrhetoric threshold, so there's diminishing returns from continuing discussion with him at the moment.
Hearing from everyone else about circumstances is comparatively high-yield regardless of Jack's alignment.
POISONING THE WELL
, aka, a logical fallacy. This sounds like desperate scum trying to save his scumbuddy from further dialogue with Jack, and to save himself from possibly committing a slip-up. Its called Poisoning The Well because no matter what Jack may say, after this post by Iecerint, Jack loses standing as a townie. A rather weak move, IMO.
Aaand post 101 starts the 20 v. 12 players debacle. And the third post from SV, counting his “/confirm”.
Thoughts on this matter:
Plum sure did a fine job of showing up once his name was called; within an hour and a half. ISO-ing him, he usually isn’t on in the AM, so it was interesting. And while Plum did a
tu quoque
in 106, its rather difficult to avoid using those.
Personally, I feel that the hyperbole excuse is rather weak, yet that was his third post… difficult.
Vas, post 118 wrote:
D1, I tend to play as the impartial observer. Primarily because I usually have no idea who to suspect, and my early game is baad, terribad.
Seriously? Impartial observer means not town, not mafia. Not town = anti-town. And as I said earlier, lynching an anti-town player is the second best lynch,
far
after a scum lynch.
Impartial observers don’t usually run out and defend people. They
observe
, not help people defend themselves.
You also pointed out the town v. town Iecerint/Jack, and that “SV is being too careless about the game to seem scum. Might be a bored townie.” (post 118). Even if you are town-aligned, you’re doing a great job of helping the mafia, by classifying fellow players as townies.
And Flava Flave shows up, for the first time in four days. Sticks around, and leaves for three more. Seven days later he shows up again.
He’s pretty much abusing the lack of prodding on him. Way to contribute.
Vas, post 139 wrote:
I have an idea, but I'm not sure if its good or bad. Since we had to do some pre-game voting, is it wise to say it out loud? I mean, it happened before the game started so it won't say much about alignment. And also it won't indicate any alignment since it is a vote regardless of alignment, it will give us an idea of what to expect in the days to come.
Horrible idea. Since when do we want to give the scum a target?
And SD beats me to the punch. XD
Vas, post 180 wrote:
Rolefishing isn't bad for town in itself but it is clearly more advantageous for scum. I was simply asking that in the off-off-offffff chance that the situation I mentioned actually happened. You never know.
But my main motivation for that post was to get some discussion on the topic, I simply started with a suggestion(A bad one, but a suggestion nonetheless). So far, no one offered any discussion about it.
So you went ahead and posted it, hoping for more discussion, that would help the mafia more than ourselves? Granted, this wincon is unorthodox, but it was early to bring it up D1. Perhaps instead of possibly helping the town you could refrain from posting.
Vas, post 228 wrote:
Another "I'm still here" post? You are so town. I almost do not want to reply to your posts because in my eyes, your alignment is confirmed. Any further alignment is pointless. But whatever, lets play your game.
Another “you are so town” post? Seriously?
So there.
Iecerint, VasudeVa, and Shadow Dancer are lynches I
could
support, but I'd like to hear from them in regards to what I've said. I'd also like to wait awhile before casting my own vote, since I want to be able to talk to you all and see how it goes down.
If you're not in the trio up there then I'm going back to look into you, and see voting patterns, and read the scare posts that some of you have made.
@ AlmasterGM: Your first massive post here was all centered on VV. Why the focus on him alone? Is he the biggest scum target, in your mind, or did you just ISO him? I'm curious to see what you think of the others.
Can we get a votecount please?
I'm unsure if greenindirt had a standing vote I need to unvote/solidify.
And yeah. I'll go back and work on the rest of you later, since this has been a long day.
Anything for me?