hohum ~ L-4 (Vi, xRECKONERx)
Locke Lamora ~ L-5 (ekiM)
Not Voting: hohum, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Jahudo, Sotty7, Locke Lamora, Percy
You know, just lurking in my hidey-hole.Vi wrote:so where are either of our top suspects anyway
(hohum, Jah00do)
But his vote switches to DDD:ekiM wrote:hohum, ortolan, DDD. These guys trouble me. <snip>
I will support a hohum or DDD lynch today.
Near deadline he explains why hohum is his top suspect. It looks more like its because hohum is most viable, instead of most likely to flip scum:ekiM wrote:unvote; Vote: DDD
But ekiM's attitude changes when he says that hohum is a better bet for scum, which makes ortolan a worse bet.ekiM wrote:I would prefer one of hohum, DDD, ortolan. Of those, hohum is the most viable.
He even suspects people against the hohum case, which seems like an indirect way to derail the ortolan wagon at this point in the game:ekiM wrote:No reason ort can't be scum, but it's less likely to be with hohum when he named his two lynch preferences for today as Jack/flint and hohum. I'm pretty sold on hohum being scum.
So I don't see how he went from seemingly having equal reads on ortolan and hohum, to saying he'd prefer hohum for being viable, to saying he'd prefer hohum for being most scummy.ekiM wrote:I could easily see two of those being scumbuddies trying to steer away. I'm gung-ho for a hohum lynch now.
What gives you the impression that the ten-minute Night was accidental?Debonair Danny DiPietro 555 wrote:To VP Baltar, a ten minute night does not give people the amount of time they need to kill Reckoner. Please remedy this in the future, plz k thx.
That's a joke, son.Vi wrote:What gives you the impression that the ten-minute Night was accidental?Debonair Danny DiPietro 555 wrote:To VP Baltar, a ten minute night does not give people the amount of time they need to kill Reckoner. Please remedy this in the future, plz k thx.
Your case on things Sotty has actually done is pretty vague here. As far as the whole Ortoscum ignored her point, that point can be made pretty equally for people like Jack, yourself, and me. I don't recall him going to much effort to respond to or talk about any of us offhand either.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:To VP Baltar, a ten minute night does not give people the amount of time they need to kill Reckoner. Please remedy this in the future, plz k thx.
Yes, sir. *salutes* ~ The mod
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Vote: Sotty
Ortolan quotes her once in a response and that's it. Whenever he's mentioned by Sotty early it was almost invariably within the context of hohum and Percy where she's extremely indecisive in regards to him, but late in the day he pops up on her willing to wagon list and it's not really clear why until her vote post. I also have issue with her tone which just seems very off to me.
~~~Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:To VP Baltar, a ten minute night does not give people the amount of time they need to kill Reckoner. Please remedy this in the future, plz k thx.
Yes, sir. *salutes* ~ The mod
Your case on things Sotty has actually done is pretty vague here. As far as the whole Ortoscum ignored her point, that point can be made pretty equally for people like Jack, yourself, and me. I don't recall him going to much effort to respond to or talk about any of us offhand either.Ortolan quotes her once in a response and that's it. Whenever he's mentioned by Sotty early it was almost invariably within the context of hohum and Percy where she's extremely indecisive in regards to him, but late in the day he pops up on her willing to wagon list and it's not really clear why until her vote post. I also have issue with her tone which just seems very off to me.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:To VP Baltar, a ten minute night does not give people the amount of time they need to kill Reckoner. Please remedy this in the future, plz k thx.
Yes, sir. *salutes* ~ The mod
Vote: Sotty
Your case on things Sotty has actually done is pretty vague here. As far as the whole Ortoscum ignored her point, that point can be made pretty equally for people like Jack, yourself, and me. I don't recall him going to much effort to respond to or talk about any of us offhand either.Ortolan quotes her once in a response and that's it. Whenever he's mentioned by Sotty early it was almost invariably within the context of hohum and Percy where she's extremely indecisive in regards to him, but late in the day he pops up on her willing to wagon list and it's not really clear why until her vote post. I also have issue with her tone which just seems very off to me.
That point can't be made for Jack at all since ort voted for both flinter and Jack. Obviously I know I'm town and from an outside perspective I should be viewed in a seperate category from both you and Sotty as I was basically the one who turned the ort wagon from a pet cause of Vi into something viable while you two broke late onto the wagon in common bussing position. So I did consider both of you for the position of ortolan's scum partner who never interacted with him. In the end I think you're more likely to be town and Sotty more likely to be scum based on your early voting behavior and the weird vibes I get from Sotty's tone.Zachrulez wrote:Unvote:I think I may have initially given Jack a bit too much town cred for that scum lynch, on 2nd look, his reasoning doesn't look great.
Your case on things Sotty has actually done is pretty vague here. As far as the whole Ortoscum ignored her point, that point can be made pretty equally for people like Jack, yourself, and me. I don't recall him going to much effort to respond to or talk about any of us offhand either.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:To VP Baltar, a ten minute night does not give people the amount of time they need to kill Reckoner. Please remedy this in the future, plz k thx.
Yes, sir. *salutes* ~ The mod
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Vote: Sotty
Ortolan quotes her once in a response and that's it. Whenever he's mentioned by Sotty early it was almost invariably within the context of hohum and Percy where she's extremely indecisive in regards to him, but late in the day he pops up on her willing to wagon list and it's not really clear why until her vote post. I also have issue with her tone which just seems very off to me.
Why does Jack look more town from this move?Percy Post 554 wrote:After such a weak excuse and jumping onto flinter, xRx looks more scummy (not less), whilst flinter/Jack looks slightly more town.ortolan 182 wrote:I didn't see this question first time round. I wasn't really conscious of the fact I was voting xReckonerx when I made that post, it was just I guess that I strongly reacted against what I saw as flinter's bullying/pushing a mislynch on kyle which I know scum is likely to do. I will say more recently that I explicitly feel reckoner is not as likely to be scum as I first thought...
Well that's you. What do you think of Ort not talking about DD, Zach and Jack on top of that?xRECKONERx Post 564 wrote:DDD's "case" on Sotty is meh, but Sotty's lack of involvement with ortolan is actually a really telling tell... I've seen it happen a lot, and I know when I'm scum, I either bus the hell out of my partners or try to ignore them for the most part.
(1) For serious? I am not wasting my time explaining to an experienced player why scum ignoring players is often a tip-off. It's obviously not a tell where this happens and it automatically means scum but given normal scum behavior it's a very good starting point.Sotty7 wrote:I can't really defend against weird vibes from my tone Triple D.(1)I don't really see why scum ignoring me is such a big tell(2)but when the other people are brought up it means nothing. I'm not buying your explanation either, it all seems pretty contrived for you to keep your vote on me.(3)I also don't think you should be taking the credit for the Ort wagon, you were pushing it near the deadline and that's about it.
To me it looks like he has more of a reason to stay on me over voting for Reck. The Reck wagon had more steam than mine so this is the classic making himself open to either. He also asks Zach a question about my scum meta that he doesn't follow up on which looks pretty bad. Makes me believe it wasn't even a genuine point in his own mind.Locke Lamora Post 364 wrote:Right, my main thoughts and responses to people:
Jahudo: I usually unvote when I vote for someone else. I rarely do it by itself. I hadn't unvoted ekiM because I wasn't yet inclined to vote for someone else.
Sotty: I voted for you because it felt like you were misrepping me and basing your whole case on what you perceived to be the implications of my posts, not the posts themselves.
Reckoner is bothering me now. His early bad vote on Zach looked more like town-Reck to me but his 'lynch me' attitude does not match to what I know of him from Lost Mafia. He seemed committed to that game throughout D1 even when he was frustrated at being wagoned. How much of this is down to him not having much time to post is hard to tell but I find the AtEish tone very scummy.
Unvote; Vote: Reckoner
Zach: you suggested that Sotty is playing to her scum meta by casting doubt on her suspicions of you, then you didn't follow it up at all. Does this mean you don't really think Sotty is scummy for doing so?
And then only to speak out against his wagon:Locke Lamora Post 189 wrote:As for Ortolan, I think he's made some easy votes on Reckoner and Flinter and hasn't offered much else.
Locke Lamora Post 368 wrote:Vi, although that lynch would never happen at this stage, is increasingly pinging my scumdar; I particularly don't like his recent vote on ortolan which is in clear contrast to his call for bigger wagons and I feel it's too close to deadline for a major change of direction. I'm also dubious of him saying he's having a hard time getting reads; it doesn't seem to fit with the tone of his posts.
Locke Lamora Post 437 wrote:I also really don't see the ortolan case. I agree with his earlier point about Reckoner's style as town and I don't think he's been lurking a great deal either. His frustration reads as annoyed townie to me.
He seemed to be doing a lot of work to discredit any kind of push Ort's way despite earlier in the day saying he hadn't done much. Locke also didn't really comment on much outside of myself or Reck, there really isn't a whole lot of content in posts when you look though them. It's like he posts just enough to get by.Locke Lamora Post 447 wrote:Vi: because that's exactly what I thought about Reckoner. When I played with town-Reck, he never expressed a desire to give up despite being wagoned to claiming on D1. His 'lynch me' post was a clear departure from that and I immediately thought exactly what ortolan did.
This is a strong point in the Hohum case, something I think Hohum still hasn't answered. (I don't agree with Vi's interpretation of events.)Jack Post 273 wrote:I'm going toVote:hohumthough. For the "xReck says 'lynch me', hohum posts but doesn't comment on it, hohum posts a strong accusation of percy including 8 or so links to his past cases, hohum votes xReck for the post which he'd been ignoring and links to another game for support (except in that game BC claimed doc, and asked for replacement because "it's clear I'm not wanted here...good luck town" which is nothing like what xReck did but more like what flinter did (with the replacing) but hohum says his vote isfinal)" chain of events.
This could be legit frustration, but I think it is worth noting.Jack Post 410 wrote:-Your vote is doing jack, VI~Vi wrote:Your vote wasn't on anyone. Mine's on scum. tyvmJack 408 wrote:And you were lecturing me about my vote being somewhere that wasn't "helpful".
You're nothelpinganyone and it's lending nocredenceto your dedication.-
Annoying = Scummy? You think just slapping a vote on him with no questioning actually help matters?Jack wrote:I criticized Vi because at the time it was almost deadline and I felt she was dragging her heels on the hohum lynch which was the only viable good lynch.
Jahudo seemed scummiest to start and could be my main choice, but hohum turning up with just a vote is annoying.