Open 213 -- Mini Love (Over)

[easjo682]

Why don't you tell your scumpartner Riley to take my avatar before I shove it down his throat?

because I'd rather see it shoved down his throat

[easjo682]

Why don't you tell your scumpartner Riley to take my avatar before I shove it down his throat?

because I'd rather see it shoved down his throat

[easjo682]

Why don't you tell your scumpartner Riley to take my avatar before I shove it down his throat?

because I'd rather see it shoved down his throat

[easjo682]

Why don't you tell your scumpartner Riley to take my avatar before I shove it down his throat?

because I'd rather see it shoved down his throat

[Yankee]

Vote: Nikanor

Do I need a reason? Plus he hasnt confirmed yet..... noob

[easjo682]

argg computer had a spaz sorry guys

[DoItRiley]

Well hey if you want to see me suffocate you might as well vote me.

[DarkLightA]

vote: DoItRiley

Get an avatar.

As far as I understand, this is the set-up:

Set-up

Mafia Goon #1
Mafia Goon #2

Townie #1
Townie #2
Townie #3
Townie #4
Townie #5
Townie #6
Townie #7

Doctor

Where the lover couples are:

Lovers

1 Mafia Goon

+

1 Townie

1 Townie

+

1 Townie

If this is the case, I'm thinking that a couple-claiming being good. Assuming that the claims are legitimate (as there's no reason they shouldn't be), and that scum make NKs, these are the possible statuses of the game when we hit the scum+town pair and

STATUS 1 (Less than ~33%)

[DAY 3]

Mafia Goon

Townie
Townie

Doctor

STATUS 2 (Less than ~17%)

[DAY 3]

Mafia Goon

Townie
Townie
Townie

STATUS 3 (More than ~42%)

[DAY 2]

Mafia Goon

Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

Doctor

STATUS 4 (More than ~8%)

[DAY 2]

Mafia Goon

Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

And it will be day, so people can vote at all the status stages.

Also, there's a fair chance that we can pick out the scum pair through pair claims (scum will be against being lynched, you know, while town should cooperate.)

Therefore I think there's about 3/4 or even more likely that one of the two latter outcomes will happen, and I think that's a fair chance to take. After all, in the worst of those two outcomes, with only townies on the town side, the town will have a lynch opportunity D3 and a MYLO on D4.

I hope this makes sense.

Don't claim yet, couples. I'd like to hear what others say about it.

^^^ NOT TLDR. Well, for scum it is =)

[Yankee]

one quick note: I am fairly sure that the layout is 2 Mafia goons and a third "Treacherous Lover" that is also Mafia. So instead of just 2 goons where one is the treacherous lover like I think you are saying, there is actually 3 mafia. And I dont think a Mass claim would be good, My opinion is that one person from each lover set should claim and we decide between the two of them. The reason I say only one lover claim is because if both claim and we kill the treacherous lover pair day one, then the mafia have 2 targets to kill for a 2 for 1 NK if you get what I am saying.

[DarkLightA]

Okay, in that case the most probable outcome is

Goon
Goon

Townie
Townie
Townie
Townie

Cop

Worth it I guess... :/

[Robocopter87]

That makes sense and is pretty smart. But that would make the Mafia know both lovers that are mainly town.
Like, if we have one person from each claim then we know that either one of these is partner to mafia. But if we kill the one with Mafia the Mafia will NK the other two lovers getting a double kill.

[Yankee]

i think you misunderstand me Robo.

What I am saying is that ONLY one person from each Lover pair claim. That way if we kill the Treacherous lover pair, we know it and only one of the other lovers is claimed so the doctor can protect them from a NK that night.... So we dont risk losing the town lovers in that situation, unless the mafia randomly pick the other lover that night...

[DoItRiley]

Yeah okay how about we just not mass claim, sound good?

[Yankee]

Also, DLA, i dont understand what you are saying. Most likely outcome? What do you mean by this?

[DoItRiley]

Well, what DLA did is a bunch of what I like to call "busy work". It looks like a whole bunch of work, time, and effort put in, it looks like to post, but really it's pretty unhelpful and useless at this stage in the game. It's irrelevant. What that did was tell us absolutely nothing.

[DarkLightA]

i think you misunderstand me Robo.

What I am saying is that ONLY one person from each Lover pair claim. That way if we kill the Treacherous lover pair, we know it and only one of the other lovers is claimed so the doctor can protect them from a NK that night.... So we dont risk losing the town lovers in that situation, unless the mafia randomly pick the other lover that night...

The thing is that with the mass-claim of all the lovers, you could easily spot the mafia, as they would be the only one hesitating to commit suicide.

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Yankee, that actually makes sense! A protection would make it clear!

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Yeah okay how about we just not mass claim, sound good?

Un-random-vote: DoItRiley
Vote: DoItRiley

Die scum.

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Also, DLA, i dont understand what you are saying. Most likely outcome? What do you mean by this?

Well, I'm saying that I think the most likely outcome, if both pairs claimed, was that we could pick out the scum from these people, as (s)he would be hesitant to be lynched. However, I forgot that scum would NK the other pair.

Actually, scum only have a 50% chance to NK the right part of the pair, given the doctor's protection.

I say we have 1 person from both lover pairs claim, and kill off one. Then we know the other one is town/scum.

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Well, what DLA did is a bunch of what I like to call "busy work". It looks like a whole bunch of work, time, and effort put in, it looks like to post, but really it's pretty unhelpful and useless at this stage in the game. It's irrelevant. What that did was tell us absolutely nothing.

Well, what DoItRiley did is a bunch of what I like to call "lurk work". It looks like no work, time and effort put in, but really it's pretty unhelpful and useless at this stage in the game. It's irrelevant. What that did was tell us absolutely a lot: that he's scum.

Question DoItRiley, have you played mafia before? How much?

Scum would be the only ones trying to oppose breaking the setup.

[DarkLightA]

Okay, if we had all lovers claim

Goon
Goon

Townie
Townie
Townie[/color]

Cop

Fixed ^^

That's if we had everyone in pairs claim. This way, two votes would be confirmed. This would be helpful in picking out the remaining scum through voting stages.

[Nikanor]

Hi.
I'm thinking DLA is scum.

Vote: DarkLightA.

I'll explain fully later, when I get home. For now I'll just say that it has a lot to do with his vote for Riley.

[DoItRiley]

Nice OMGUS. Considering your vote has absolutely no logical reasoning behind it that would point to me being scum that's what I'm labeling it as, OMGUS. It's a "bah Riley doesn't agree with me =(" crap vote. Here's the stupidity behind your logic. Lovers claim and we mislynch, scum kills someone at night and we're in the shitter on D2. I don't know about you...but I don't like being in the shitter on D2. Makes no sense to me.

And according to your join date I've been on this site for nine months longer than you.

[XScorpion]

Joining the DLA wagon.

unvote
Vote: DLA

It was REALLY clear to me that there were 3 scum when I signed up. Scumpoints for what looks like him trying to trick people into thinking there were only 2.
Not to mention that I think it's an absolutely horrible idea for massclaim.

[DarkLightA]

Nice OMGUS. Considering your vote has absolutely no logical reasoning behind it that would point to me being scum that's what I'm labeling it as, OMGUS.

Scum would be the only ones trying to oppose breaking the setup.

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It was REALLY clear to me that there were 3 scum when I signed up. Scumpoints for what looks like him trying to trick people into thinking there were only 2.

XDXDXDXD That gave me my daily laugh XDXD
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Not to mention that I think it's an absolutely horrible idea for massclaim.

Can you give reasoning? What do you oppose in my plan?
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And according to your join date I've been on this site for nine months longer than you.

Joined: 27 Mar 2010

Fail?
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Things I'm waiting for until my next post:

• Nikanor's comment.
  
• DoItRiley's answer to the question: how many games have you played.

Thanks.

[XScorpion]

I don't like how you're essentially gambling on a 50-50 shot of getting ONE scum, and using this "plan" to completely avoid scumhunting.

Let's assume worst case scenario (which, with your plan, has about 50% probability of occurring - VERY HIGH). We lynch two town lovers today. At night, a townie or doctor dies. Next day, we lynch the other lovers. Another townie/doctor dies. We're now down 5 townspeople, and we only hit 1 mafia. I don't know about you, but I think that a 50% chance of losing FIVE townspeople just to hit 1 mafia is pretty horrible.

This plan is a dud and DLA is scum for suggesting it.

[DoItRiley]

Nobody's breaking the setup DLA. Pointing out that doing all that dumb "work" you did was useless is not breaking the setup. If anything you're the one attempting to break the setup by having a massclaim instead of actually playing the game. And it's called an alt. I've played probably about twenty to thirty of games on this site and actually one or two with you.

[Nikanor]

Vote: Nikanor

Do I need a reason? Plus he hasnt confirmed yet..... noob

Hey, I thought we were lovers.

Some people *glances at XScorpion* should read this. It's the last Mini Love game that was run on this site, afaik. The last time someone tried to push for a lovers massclaim they were town, although that person was trying to get lovers to claim for a much different reason. Just a heads up that although I think DLA is scum, it's not for his massclaim idea.

It was REALLY clear to me that there were 3 scum when I signed up. Scumpoints for what looks like him trying to trick people into thinking there were only 2.

Uhm, no. Sorry, but that's not a scumtell either. I know you're trying, but you should learn what does and what doesn't constitute a scumtell.

Scum would be the only ones trying to oppose breaking the setup.

Not true. In the Mini Love game I linked to, two of the three scum opposed the setup, but an equal number of townies also opposed the setup.

Yeah okay how about we just not mass claim, sound good?

DLA, how is this a scum tell?

The only lover claim I'll support is Yankee's idea, although I do not support lover lynches today.

[Yankee]

Actually I was in the middle of posting something about your last post Nikanor about how I didnt understand how claiming lovers today and not lynching them made any sense, but then i thought about it for a minute, and that is like a safety net almost. The town lovers probably wouldnt be NK'ed because that would give away the treacherous lover pair, and even if they were, then we can choose to kill the other lover pair the next day, or just keep scum hunting knowing that the treacherous lover is in that lover group (i would vote to lynch personally). The only drawback I see to this is it may complicate things later on in the game when we get close to lylo, it could pose major problems if we dont lynch a lover pair on day one. But a benefit is that the doctor wouldnt be tied down on protecting a lover on Night 1 which is always a plus.