Mini 947 - Halo Mafia OVER

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Vote: Snow White

Do I need a reason?

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Wait, what's the clearly-defined scumgroup? *too lazy to read*

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Flavor-wise, it's not just Flood & Covenant.

Arbiter could be a miller.

Guilty Spark could be scum.

I'm sure there's more, but I'm a bit rusty on my Halo mythology.

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I... never read the first post >.>

I guess I should have. In any case,

Vote: AlamasterGM

. This is not a random vote. I will not provide reasoning.

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Well, this game is gonna be dead in the water if every fucking player goes V/LA in the first two pages.

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You say your vote is not random, and yet you will not provide reasoning?

Yes. Thank you for repeating exactly what I said in my vote post.

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Oh but wait, you put a "?" on the end... I

totally

get it now.

::eyeroll::

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I just re-read Reck's post. I thought he said he was going to provide reasoning ... with an implied later. Apparently, he is simply not going to provide reasoning.

Amusing. Glad to see you enjoy contributing to the game. What reason could you

possibly

have now that you cannot share with the rest of us?

Rhetorical question, obviously, seeing as you've already committed yourself to being an enigma.

You catch on quickly.

Anyway, my vote's gonna stay right now. bv310, who are you referring to?
Pssst... let's all be careful of bv310, he tends to lurk his ass off all the goddamn time.

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Uhhh my vote on AGM wasn't 100% random. lrn2read

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@Kast:

You're welcome.

I won't this time. Maybe.

It was 78.49% random.

What do you mean by arbitrary?

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Because there's a reason behind it, it's just not a good one, but it's better than "ELL OH ELL RANDOM VOTE".

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Damn straight.

Actually, it's a stupid reason, I just wanted to get reactions. I thought it was minutely scummy that I purposely commented incorrectly on the flavor of the game and AGM didn't say anything about it. That's enough scumminess at this point to justify me moving out of the RVS, albeit only slightly.

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who made you boss of the game?

Are you trolling for votes? YOU'VE GOT IT!

Unvote; Vote: cruelty

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unvote, vote pman5595

.

Also @Almaster: People have often said that I am hard to read and come across as scummy too. Why single cruelty out?

Don't use my withholding reasoning to be a douchebag method without my consent, asshole.

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Slow my roll!?!?!

People told me slow my road I'm screaming out fuck that
Imma do just what I want lookin’ ahead no turnin’ back
if I fall if I die know I lived it to the fullest
if I fall if I die know I lived and missed some bullets

Unvote; Vote: pman5595

fo' sho'.

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EBWOP:

Slow my roll!?!?!

People told me slow my roll, I'm screaming out FUCK that
Im'ma do just what I want, lookin’ ahead no turnin’ back
If I fall if I die know I lived it to the fullest
If I fall if I die know I lived and missed some bullets

Unvote; Vote: pman5595

fo' sho'.

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^ More pman votes plz.

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...

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xvart.

You don't need to sign every one of your posts in such a pretentious manner. We know who the fuck you are.

xRECKONERx

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I'm with llama.

Lynch pman now please.

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Replacing out shouldn't be used as a weapon. Uncool x10000. Also, appeal to emotion.

LYYYYNCH PLZZZZ.

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Seriously, what the fuck?

This is the quickest "Scum is giving up" scenario I've ever seen.

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No, we need to end D1. pman is obviously flustered scum who is all like "Uhh, I don't have a good reason to replace out because I'm scum, here's my half-assed answers, now don't lynch me while the mod searches for a replacement, guys!"

Hammer him. Quickest D1 scumlynch ever + gives mod time to find someone overnight. Though I guess if you guys really wanna wait for a replacement to show up and catch up, I understand. I just reaaalllllly think he's obvscum.

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EBWOP: + mod doesn't have to find a replacement

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^ scumbuddy?

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I was referring to bv's post, btw.

@AGM: will shit still hit the fan tomorrow if he DOES flip scum?

Snow White looks fairly townie in my eyes, despite her whole "Claim? Nah? Aight, hammer" thing. It seemed genuine. Like, she shared my impatience and just wanted to get it over with. I guess it's a null tell, but if pman flips scum, it becomes a town tell, because I think scum would've waited for a claim to try and prevent their scumbuddy from being lynched on D1.

I'm pretty confident we lynched n00bscum. If we lynched a townie, well, I'll be going after the lurkers from yesterday who decided not to show up all day and just let a townie get lynched by other townies.

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Who would be on that list, AGM?

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/simultaneousYESandNO

Okay so, that was an incredibly eventful night. We got rid of most of the scumteam in one day... but we lost our JOAT. Blargh. Also, it's looking like the scumteam is mostly "Infected Form"... which I can only assume is basically a goon?

Blegh. In any case, this is pretty much an open and shut win for town, we've just got to find the last scum. bv310 was my next suspect (lol at his post-hammer post), so I'm back to having nothing. It'd be really nice and convenient if any town cops out there got a guilty last night and we can gg this on D2.

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Also: what are thoughts on a mass name claim?

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D1 Lynch Analysis

pman5595

(7) – DragonsofSummer, xRECKONERx, xvart, llamaeatataco,

bv310

, cruelty,

Snow White

AlmasterGM (2) - jasonT1981, jeromus
jasonT1981 (1) – AlmasterGM

Unvote (2) -

pman5595

,

Kast

Here's what I'd say from the way the wagon shaped up:
- I know it's possible both of pman's scumbuddies bussed him on D1, but I find it hard to believe scum would come out of the gate like that and get their partner lynched.

To Do: go back and find townies by seeing who had opportunities to derail pman's wagon and did not take them

- My gut is telling me the last scum was on the AGM wagon. The non-voters have both flipped, and we already know one scum was on the pman wagon... and I have a gut town read on AGM. So I'm thinking jason or jermous will wind up being the correct lynch today.

To Do: iso both jason and jeromus

- If the other scum was, in fact, on pman's wagon... well, I'm going to have to take a long hard look at cruelty, because I didn't like his D1 play anyway, and he has a really convenient spot on the wagon.

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Okay, can someone other than deadscum try to post please?

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Why jason?

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Mod: can you prod both jason and jeromus?

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FoS: everyone except xvart

Seriously, if I had multiple votes, I'd lynch all of your lurker asses. I'm impatient. Get the fuck in this thread.

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Nope. Pretty much gut.

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ITT, everyone pretends like there are 20 pages to catch up on

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I thought I was pretty clear when I quoted Reck. I'm a cop. I investigated Jason last night and I got a guilty.

LOLOLOLOL GG SCUM

vote: jason

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1) His "aid" did nothing for me last night that I'm aware of.

2) If AGM really is lying, then that was a stupid fucking gambit and it's still good game scum, just a day later.

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LO FUCKING L

I can't even feel good about this win. Scum just fucking imploded. Shouldn't gave bussed D1, fellas.

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D1 Lynch Analysis

pman5595

(7) – DragonsofSummer, xRECKONERx, xvart, llamaeatataco,

bv310

, cruelty,

Snow White

AlmasterGM (2)

-

jasonT1981, jeromus

jasonT1981 (1)

–

AlmasterGM

Unvote (2) -

pman5595

,

Kast

D2 Lynch Analysis

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Mod, please delete my first post, it was submitted prematurely.

D1 Lynch Analysis

pman5595

(7) – DragonsofSummer, xRECKONERx, xvart, llamaeatataco,

bv310

, cruelty,

Snow White

AlmasterGM (2)

-

jasonT1981, jeromus

jasonT1981 (1)

–

AlmasterGM

Unvote (2) -

pman5595

,

Kast

D2 Lynch Analysis

jasonT1981 (5)

: xvart,

AlmasterGM

, DoS, xRECKONERx,

jasonT1981

Not Voting (3):

jeromus

, cruelty, llamaeatataco

...well, fuck. Looks like I was wrong about "the last scum was obviously not on his partner's wagon D1." Both of pman's scumbuddies bussed. Not sure what to make of yesterday's wagon.

I feel like I'm back at square one. Anyone with an investigation (since our lyncher is now gone) would be much obliged.

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I'm down for a massclaim. I think we should use a dice-roll/popcorn technique to figure out the order.

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If there's only one scum left, then yes, we have a mislynch left.

And btw, that's enough to warrant a massclaim, but I'd like to hear from everyone else first.

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Alright, so:

1. DoS
2. Reck
3. llama
4. xvart
5. cruelty

d5 = 1707965088

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DoS starts, then popcorns to someone.

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Mod: am I allowed to prod players myself? Haha.

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I'm Sergeant Avery Johnson. VT. Flavor talks about my important role in helping lead the UNSC in their war, and I must use my vocal role as leader to do so.

Is that everybody? I believe it is. Here's what I can deduct:

- llama's claim is the most believable.

- xvart claimed a PR (gunsmith?)

- Cruelty/DoS claimed VT.

Let's look at this balance-wise...

Third Party

AGM - lyncher

Scum

pman & bv310 - "Infected Form" (goon?)

Town

Kast - PGO (not really pro-town, but not anti-town either)
Snow White - JOAT
jasont1981 - Motivator
jeromus - VT

Claims:

Reckoner - VT
Cruelty - VT
DoS - VT
llama - half-vig
xvart - gunsmith

I don't know if I really believe there are more power roles than VTs. That seems way overpowered for town, especially since all the scum simply seem to be "Infection Form", which seems like a flavor way to say goon.

Vote: xvart

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Llama - in a mini game, halfvig is really only viable because a full big doesn't really fit in a mini. Furthermore, gunsmith or whatever can't hurt town. Scum obviously already have a NK so they gain nothing from it. And, as I already stated, PGO is pretty null.

We don't know the extent of the motivator, but maybe it allowd the vig to shoot twice or something.

In any case, either xvartis fake claiming, or one of the VTs are scum. I have a hard time seeing PRs outnumber VTs in a mini.

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a) Yak is a scum who sacrifices themselves to convert
b) That's correct.
c) I know, seems like a scumslip.

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Well, scumslip might be a bit harsh. It just seems like a kind of outlandish theory based on the fact that we don't know anything about the scum, really. For all we know, "infection form" could just be flavor for "goon" (which is what I'm thinking it is). Which is what makes me doubt the sheer amount of PRs on town side.

If there really are that many PRs... geez, it's no wonder scum lost, haha.

And yes, scum

will

lose.

I wish we had ONE extra player alive so we could verify the vig claim, but we just don't have it. I really do want to believe the vig claim based on just flavor alone... I don't think Master Chief would be a scum PR in a Halo flavored game.

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Good point.

Unvote

Is your ability day or night use? Also, I think you can give it to anyone... scum already have a NK, so the worst that'll happen is a townie ends up with it and it gives them an extra kill. Which, if they're town, they won't use.

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So give it to someone then. Now. And they can confirm you.

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I'm tending to agree with cruelty. So I will end up lynching DoS or llama today. Leaning heavily towards DoS.

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Nothing changed - I still think Master Chief is a town role based on flavor alone... but then again, it's "outguessing the mod" like that that can lead to townfails.

I think scum got fakeclaims... it's standard procedure in flavor-defined faction games like this to provide standard safeclaims for the scum.

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I didn't do a 180... I still believe the claim, and I think DoS

has

to be the last scum based on process of elimination:

1) I know I'm town.

2) xvart has been confirmed by llama (unless they're both scum, which I doubt).

3) I'm agreeing with cruelty's posts for the most part, which makes me see him in a townie light.

4) This leaves DoS and llama. DoS is like 98% my choice for the day, and I'm 2% on llama. The Master Chief claim gives him a lot of weight, though... but once again, I'm wary of trusting people based solely off of claims, because I know as a theme mod myself, that's

exactly

something I'd do to punish the town for believing claims at face value.

Anyway, no point waiting anymore.

Vote: DoS

.

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@llama: Do you not agree DoS has been hiding in the shadows for most of the game?

@xvart: MISREP GOGOGO

- xvart claimed a PR (gunsmith?)

I wasn't sure what to call the role, as I've never really seen a gunsmith in action and assumed it was just someone who can make guns and give them to people. That DOES fit with the rolename... how is gunsmith an investigative role?

I can easily hurt the town by giving them two night kills instead of just one.

I was not aware the kills would stack like that. Also notice I said "gunsmith or

whatever

" in that very post you quoted.

1. I have be extra careful to give my gun to someone who is town AND will make a smart decision and not kill town;
1. llama can only shoot every other day;
2. I don't know what the motivator did exactly, but aren't there similar roles (engineer maybe) that gives items but sometimes the items do not have the desired effect (pure speculation); and,
3. PGO - with a lot of town targeting this is a huge liability for the town.

1. While this is true... the same thing pretty much goes for a vig, and that's obviously a pro-town role.
2. As I stated, I'm not sure what the motivator does exactly, but since he claims he targeted me and it did nothing, I can only assume it enhances power roles (given the word MOTIVATOR) and isn't an anti-town role.
3. It's also a huge liability for scum, as was proven. Yeah, we ended up with a dead JOAT, but we also ended up with a dead scum, which I would say is a pretty good deal.

So you are saying there is a strong chance that you might lynch llama, the person you don't think would be a scum PR, today?

NO. As I JUST FUCKING STATED, I want to lynch DoS. He's been lurky the whole game, hiding in the shadows and flying under the radar. Wagon positioning on pman would suggest he's town, but we've already shown that the last scum HAD to have been on pman's wagon, so that's no longer townie-points IMO.

I'm willing to believe that the most epic hero and the person responsible for saving humanity is not scum.

So am I, but like I said, we've got to be CAREFUL doing that. I would cite an example where the protagonist wound up being a scum claim, but it's an ongoing game.

I totally believe that scum got fake claims. I find it hard to believe that the remaining scum would get the fake claim Master Chief. I think scum would be more likely to get something like, I don't know, "Sgt. Avery Johnson."

You have no basis for that, and I can just as easily say that Captain Keyes or Dass (who the fuck?) or Sir Terrance Hood are fakeclaims. You can't just make arbitrary statements like that.

I'm also going to go on record (and I know bussing is a viable strategy, but...) and say that I was one of the MAIN forces behind the pman wagon, AND I was calling bv310 out on his scummy post at the end of D1. He was to be the person I opened up attacking on D2, but we got a freebie like that. Sure, call it bussing, call it WIFOM, but look at the

facts

of the matter and tell me that DoS and cruelty are more townie than I am.

/defense



@llama: do you plan on using xvart's gun to kill tonight?

@cruelty: who do you want to lynch today?

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No, I don't WANT you to shoot. I was just checking. If you shoot the wrong person tonight, it's auto-loss for town tomorrow unless scum HAPPENS to crosskill.

I also think you need to learn what chainsaw defense is. This attack on me is bullshit.

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What about llama's MC claim?

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Uhhh, dude... you can't post in ongoing games like that.

Back on topic - DoS still hasn't shown up, and I think we need to lynch him immediately. Lurkerscum is lurky.

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Aaaaand DoS misreps me hardcore. Go figure.

You are trying to end the day before people have a chance to gain any sort of information.

Nope. You're just scum.

his whole "I pushed the pman wagon!" argument

I believe I said I was "one of" the main forces behind the pman wagon. And why are you so set on denying the possibility that there's NOOO WAYYYY you would've bussed your partner on D1, and then been like "oh shit" and couldn't get off the wagon in time? That's completely plausible and yet you completely disregard it.

he freaked out

I'm sorry, what? I don't recall me "FREAKING OUT" at all. I'm not going to call this an appeal to emotion, but come the fuck on, that's ridiculous.

Mostly I see no reason to defend myself further from his weak attacks, and will just vote xRECKONERx.

OMGUS!

Seriously, this is just awful. He misreps me, says I'm just "freaking out", conveniently tosses out plausible scenarios where he's scum, and lurks his way through this whole day until there's already fingers being pointed at one another, then chimes in on the most viable target who has had the most suspicion thrown his way (me).

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No, llama, that's not what I meant. I just meant he thinks I'm hurrying a lynch along, but I'm just convinced he's scum. We can gain useful information... but from my position, it won't really matter, because once we lynch DoS he'll flip scum.

PS, for those of you saying I'm overreacting... you should probably meta me. This is

tame

compared to standard Reck-playstyle.

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No, I want to Lynch DoS. End statement. I'm in Vegas. Don't expect anymore updates soon.

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Well, this is going nowhere.

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@llama: DoS is my #1 choice. I would NOT lynch you or xvart. cruelty is someone I wouldn't want to outright lynch, but I'd lynch him before you or xvart.

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Best part is, DoS is the last scum.

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That should've been the hammer. (thanks for all the vote counts today, mod. >.>;)

/readyforthewinscene

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Well, fuck this game. Scum just fucking imploded. PGO is a fail role. Lyncher in mini theme is fail. I think I could've survived in lylo. I was going to take cruelty and llama and they were kinda going at it. If there was any chance of me surviving, it would've been with those two - xvart was confirmed and I had already lead a mislynch on DoS.

Too bad someone hammered me earlier. Bleh, whatevs, at least this game was short.

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I'm sorry, but this just wasn't balanced correctly.

TOWN PRS:
Odd-night vig with one-shot BP
JOAT
Vig-maker (who can't even give the scum an extra NK)
Motivator
PGO

THIRD PARTY:
Lyncher who would turn SK (are you serious?)

SCUM:
Basically all goons, with the chance for us to become one of the following: rolecop (kinda useful, maybe as a long-shot), 1-shot strongman (only useful if we hit MC), redirector (the only particularly useful role)

I had fun playing this even though it was pretty fucked from the start, but I can't honestly say this was balanced at all for a mini game. Third party in a mini-game can usually unbalance it pretty easily... add in the fact that town had a ridiculous amount of PRs compared to the fact that the scum started as all goons and it's really not balanced. Sure, scum imploded, but even if we had played pitch-perfect I have a hard time believing we could've won anyway.

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Daytalk's pretty damn useless if you don't have anyone to talk to, or your partner is lurky, or whatever. I don't know how you can say I had a shot at winning despite the "worst case" D1 - llama and xvart could confirm each other. That drastically reduced my chances of winning. Not to mention, it's just LUCK that AGM decided to pull the lyncher-cop gambit like that, otherwise I would've been in an even more fucked position at the end.

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I'm not bashing you at all. I'm just saying... no game should be in lylo on D3. When you have a role that's incredibly swingy like the PGO (and essentially punishes both town and scum for good hunting), combined with a third-party role that leaves the game upon fulfilling its wincon, and a whole host of other killing roles, it's a little hard to calculate such minute possibilities.

PGO is an awful role BECAUSE it punishes good play from either side, as we clearly saw on N1 - both scum AND town went after Kast.

Anyway, here's the quicktopic for anyone who cares.