Jahudo wrote:@Vi: Did you elaborate on the "locked on" thing? Is that something hohum has done before? (I can't remember if it was in bebop or another game I should know about)
ekiM wrote:OK... and what about the strongest points against him? The way he declared his xRx vote final for threatening to replace out, what do you think about that. The way he didn't make that final vote for an hour and felt the need to provide a link to back it up. The way he completely ignored his other suspect flinter replacing out, while throwing the book at Rec for threatening it.
He didn't say his vote was final in 209. It came two days later in response to Vi, who asked him if his vote was "locked on".
So what does the hour refer to?
As for making a vote final, no I don't think that's scummy. Taking ownership of a wagon the way it stands basically says you stand by your case points and you're open to criticism, wagon analysis, etc later on. I think this is different than sitting on a wagon because you can't use the defense that the hammer occurred before you were ready.
It is a valid contradiction that hohum didn't say he was suspicious of flinter for replacing out, which he could have done even though his reck vote was final. But he did say he wanted to lynch Jack after reck in a recent post, which I can believe is a product of making his reck vote final.
I feel like the hohum case keeps getting misrepresented or understood. Let's put it all in the same place.
Why hohum is scum
Timing of his xRx vote
Read this page.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=200.
202 - xRx - "K. Lynch me. This game does not interest me in the slightest."
4 hours later, 205, 207 - hohum ignores xRx, talks to Percy. 207 is a summary of his Percy case, with a bunch of links to previous posts. A lot of effort to make.
An hour after 205, 209 - hohum decides to go for xRx "It wouldn't be fair to replace someone into his sinking ship now."
hohum later finalized his vote for xRx, on no extra evidence, so he thinks what xRx is bad enough to be auto-worth a lynch, final vote, no questions asked.
If it's that bad, you don't ignore it for an hour after coming to the thread. If it's that bad, you don't spend half an hour finding links to your case on someone else. If something is that bad you'd just vote. So I don't believe he was sincere.
Supporting link for his xRx vote
hohum included
a link in his vote for xRx. Now, if what xRx did is as bad as all that, why the need to search for supporting evidence? If you're that confident in your reasoning, shouldn't it stand by itself? He feels the need for cover, because he doesn't actually believe his vote.
Additionally, the link doesn't even support his vote. In the link BC was under pressure and replaced out without warning. xRx said "lynch me, I'm bored". BC behaved more like flinter did. Speaking of which...
Ignoring flinter
Flinter replaced out under pressure without warning, just like BC did in the game hohum linked to. When hohum comes back to the thread a day later, he has no comment on flinter doing something he apparently considers scummy and lynch worthy. All he does is finalize his vote for xRx. He doesn't even consider or mention flinter. When pressed about flinter by Percy he reverts to "well, I suspect them both, of course, stop putting words in my mouth". If he really suspected flinter too, why not mention it at all? Why is his vote locked on xRx if flinter has done the offence he actually linked to?
General approach to the day
What has hohum actually done today? He had a pointless spat with Percy where many word were written without saying anything. He locked his final vote onto xRx for saying "lynch me". He's talked some shit about people. That's about it. He has virtually no interaction with me, DDD, kyle, Locke, ortolan, Sotty, Zach. More than half the game. I think this is a position scum would love to be in.
So, because he initially ignored xRx's "lynch me" when apparently it's an auto-lynch; because he felt the need to cover himself with a link; because that link doesn't even support the point he was making; because he blatantly ignored flinter doing exactly what he linked to; and because he's kept all real interactions today to just two players, he's scum.
