Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[Zang]

Confirm

[Zang]

Okie dokie. I know that Esp is Australian, and the international date line frankly really confuses me, so I'm going to start the game and hope he shows up shortly... perhaps at 3 or 4 in the morning... in the future. or in the past. However that date line works. Just don't talk to my grandfather, please.

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DAY 1 BEGINS NOW

Day 1 Vote Count

Hoopla ( 0 )
totallynotmafia ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 0 )
xvart ( 1 ) Zang
animorpherv1 ( 0 )
Zang ( 0 )
Espeonage ( 0 )
DedicatedScribe ( 0 )
DocPotter ( 0 )
CallMeLiam ( 0 )
FishytheFish ( 0 )
CooLDoG ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 12 ) Hoopla totallynotmafia UncertainKitten xvart animorpherv1 Zang Espeonage DedicatedScribe DocPotter CallMeLiam FishytheFish CooLDoG
Total Votes ( 12 )

Deadline: Tuesday, March 30th at 16:00 EDT
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Zang]

Mod: I'm, Australian. East coast Oz time: 08:00 Mar 17th

Happy St. Patricks day.

happy early st patricks day (mar 16th here)

[Zang]

vote: Zang, for having a doom avvy that is animated whilst mine is not, I hate you.

...

On St. Patrick’s day any one who doesn’t post in green gets voted for!!!

Muhahahaha! I love animated avitars


And it's the 17th (tommorow)

[Zang]

Avatars

[Zang]

It's tommorow! (this is why I don't like the dateline) (I'm still posting in green though because green is awesome

[Zang]

Green Rocks !

[Zang]

He's a real account, he joined last novemeber, a fake account would have probably just joined.

[Zang]

Voe?

[Zang]

*I pinch everyone that's not talking in green*

[Zang]

Where'd your friends go? 1 of them was in a MishMash I was modding..

Yeah, okay. Who are you supposed to be?

Clank is ani

[Zang]

(Im in his mish mash)

[Zang]

here you go.

Vote: Tottalynotmafia

[Zang]

two things-

1. Sorry about exposing you as clank ani, but it wasn't really the best idea to use an an account already known, right Mario (aka callmeliam or hoopla).

2.Xvart is probably lying because you can fake role pms and mod conversations and if that was his role, why would UK know about it?

[Zang]

1. Sorry about exposing you as clank ani, but it wasn't really the best idea to use an an account already known, right Mario (aka callmeliam or hoopla).

It could also be fish

[Zang]

I forgot green![/quote]

[Zang]

You don't say. Is your role name Captain Obvious?

ha ha

I don't understand this at all. If you selected town? If you selected scum? Please clarify.

ditto

[Zang]

This.

UK's claim:
1. UK is a Macho Neutral Selector JOAT (MNSJOAT)
2. UK has "selected town".
3. There is another MNSJOAT.
4. If they select town, one of them becomes scum, and one of them town.
So, the "selection" hasn't taken place, in that UK doesn't have an alignment yet. I'm guessing that she'll get one at the end of day 1.
@UK: what happens if which lynch you before you get your alignment?

if there is another mnsjoat and UK was looking for him then how does he know that xvart wasn't it?

[Zang]

There’s just one hitch: if the other Macho Neutral Selector picks before you do, you will automatically be placed on the opposite team that that other Selector picked. If both Selectors PM me within 48 hours of Day 1’s start and both have picked the same side, I will flip a coin (via random.org) to pick whose pick actually went through. Thus, selections will not be made before 48 hours has elapsed in the game.

If you die before selecting, you lose.

ok, but why did you publicly claim? If you selected before 48 hours after recieving you role then you would have either

A. Got your choice if the other selecter didn't select
B. The coin would have flipped and you would have a 50% chance of getting your selected alignment.

Why bother claiming? You could have just used a sham account like bannanas.

[Zang]

oh and while I remember

Unvote

[Zang]

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[Zang]

There is not supposed to be a N before #

[Zang]

I personnaly think that everyone (except for maybe UK) should do a crypted role claim.

[Zang]

Wait, I just did a claim, should I also have done my role pm?

[Zang]

The password isn't public and you encode a role claim so that you can claim at l-1 by posting the key.

And dedicated scribe-what are your thougts on the game besides theese two your only other post I believe was your confirmation.

[Zang]

I had this conversation with the mod

You said that if a sham account is lynched, the real avcount I'd lynched,

is this true for nightkills

it's not true for nightkills, no.

So I dont think we will know who bannanas is if he is NKed

and why should I say the word?

[Zang]

@Zang, you still haven't given your reasons for voting me earlier.

I voted for you because you made the MD thread but I unvoted you because when I thought about it was more of a null tell, and it was obvious that someone would make it eventually it was.

And I also believe that both bannanas and UK should treestump now. We can't be sure Wich is scum and town so instead of trusting a sham account that won't show it's face we should just make both of them treestump.

[Zang]

Both bananas and UK should treestump, immediately

[Zang]

I may be V/LA for a couple of days

Im having computer problems

[Zang]

Nevermin, i fixed it

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Another sham!

Gelib-What was the point of you posting? Why couldn't you of just used a coded message on your real account to claim?

[Zang]

Sham? Whatever are you on about??? I take umbrage to that accusation!!! Anyway I agree completely with that devastatingly handsome and totally right TNM, and think you should listen to everything he says! Anyway, I'm off because my wig err I mean real hair itches, bye!

What was the point of you showing up? At the present your justmakimg confusion. Why would tnm be stupid enough to make a sham that looks just like him?

Vote: totallynottotallynotmafia

[Zang]

Uhh guys TNTNM is me and it was just a joke, I thought that was pretty obvious...obviously not. Why would you guys jump on the vote without even checking with me first?

There are numerous reasons why tntnm is scummy-

1. It could have been somebodies attempt to frame you using a sham.
2. The account was used with no purpose, this can be confused with trying to confuse the town
3. The account was used as a joke so that you can later claim that it was a joke to take pressure off of you.

And also-

why did you create an account with only a slightly different name and avatar and then say that it was you? You are only allowed one sham, why waste it for a joke by exposing it?

I will unvote you when you answer the above questions.

[Zang]

UK, why haven't you treestumped yet?

If you want UK to treestump why don't you announce it? If you do it will put him at T-1 according to xvart and fish.

[Zang]

Espeonage could be scum thinking up a fakeclaim, I suppose.

I agree that it's an interesting theory but it could also apply to docpotter and everyone else that hasn't claimed yet.

[Zang]

Ok, you claimed. Now post something relevant.

[Zang]

There's lots of stuff to look at:

-xvarts claim
-UK and bannanas tree stumping
-gelids claim
-Potential lurkers

etc.

[Zang]

You are the town Obsessive Compulsive Wordsmith. Every night (including Night 0), you must pick a word from the list below. Due to your obsessive compulsive nature about increasing your fellow town member's vocabulary you must get someone to say the selected word the following day or you will kill yourself the following night. If someone other than you uses that word the following day, the next night you must link me to the post that uses the word in your PM. If you fail to pick a word during each night phase you will automatically kill yourself the following night.

You may use the word yourself, but it does not count if they quote you or intended to quote you.

The words you may select are: mondegreen, aubade, pecuniary, distrait, eschew, ignoramus, approbation, vitiate, tarradiddle, coquetry, cupidity, billet-doux, vivify, inexorable, hynagogic, duplicity, gastronome, egregious, fractious, fructuous, Arcanum, supplicate, quixotic.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

Confirm in Thread

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

You can now see what I mean about the word list. I wasn't really confident in my skills to get someone to say "tarradiddle" or "billet-doux" so I went with "duplicity" day one. I did consider "ignoramus"...

xvart.

[Zang]

Claim?

[Zang]

That was the whole point of the joke, that TNTNM was so obviously me but trying to pretend like it wasn't, I was just bored and having a bit of fun with the rules. The rules state everyone is allowed two sham accounts btw, though I must admit I didn't realise the 5 posts per day was for both shams, so my bad on that one.

I don't really buy your excuse but I have higher people on my scum list

Unvote

and sorry, I thought you were only allowed one.


Also I think Annachie is a sham otherwise zoraster would have deleted her post/got angry instead of answering his question.
Annachie-Why didn't you just pm him? Why show your sham?

Docpotter-If you are Annachie claim now.
DedicatedScribe-Where is your post/claim?

[Zang]

@everyone: I think CML is scum. Do you agree? If not, who is scum, other than UK (or Bananas)?

I think Espionage, Docpotter or Dedicated scribe might be scum for lurking, they haven't really added anything since rvs even though espionage has claimed. CML is guilty of lurking to but he was pretty active in the begining. I am also suspicous of tnm.

Here is one more piece of theoryish stuff though; we can leave "in the event of my death..." messages if we want to. PMs get revealed on death, so you can say "here is an encyrpted message. The key is the 13th, 14th and 15th words in my PM, including capitilisation and punctuation."

This sounds ok.

[Zang]

Vote: DedicatedScribe

For active lurking

Espionage is at least trying and docpotter could be dead for all we know (hopefully not).

[Zang]

Oh, ok

Docpotter-Why use Annachie?????


Still though, docpotter could have been interfeered with any RL problems, DS was here. I want to hear what docpotter has to say.

[Zang]

In docpotter case I don't think that using a sham is scummy but I am wondering why he did use it instead of using his main account or PMing zoraster.

[Zang]

DedicatedScribe must have requested replacement since his last post was only 2 days ago.
DS's replacement- Crypto Claim!

[Zang]

FoS:

Espeonage. "Using a sham account" is not something I see as an automatic scumtell. Please say why you think scum are more likely to do this than town - I can't see a plausible reason.

The fact that he hasn't been posting with his actual account at all makes me see his use of a sham as scummy.

Yes, but what is scummy about asking the mod a question?Besides the fact that he used a sham, How did he use his sham for scummy purposes?

[Zang]

All docpotter did was ask a question to the mod. What is scummy about that?
You used your sham as a joke which possibly could have been used to confuse the town and you only said that it was a joke afterwards which can be seen as an excuse. (I thought I already said this)

[Zang]

I don't understand what you mean by "confusing the town", what exactly do you think I was trying to accomplish by posting with a fake account which looked exactly like me? Wouldn't I do it looking like somebody else if I wanted to confuse the town and then claim it was a joke afterwards? And how is DP's random post as Annachie asking the mod a question not confusing at all to town?

It was confusing because it was distracting. Gelid just claimed, DS promised a post full of info and treestumping became a good idea for most. Posting a joke account in the middle of this diverted our attention to you and away from any of the above. And annachies post is distracting but I don't see what it was distracting us from and if you think it is scummy why aren't you voting for him?

I still want to know though why docpotter used annachie instead of his own account.

[Zang]

Welcome but Claim!Now!

You don't need tech knowledge just do it.


Also im shocked that fish is bannanas, I thought that gidh was town but I never associated him with bannanas.

[Zang]

From what I got so far, bananas is a sham account for someone here and claims the town version of you. Do you deny being the scum version?

Do all sham accounts have a limit of five posts, or just his?

Also, we can still lynch Bananas so why hide behind a sham account?

I of course would deny that, but it's my only play. Take that as you will.

And why be shocked, Zang? Did you not notice the disproportionate interest Fishy was taken after the selection occurred? It was damned obvious.

I was shocked because I saw fish as town and I didn't see that in bannanas. I thought that bannanas would be dp, ds, cml, ani, espionage or someone else that wasn't so active.

[Zang]

DeathNote appears to not be reading the thread, (and the rules??). Because he'd know all of that stuff if he just read the thread.

Also, bananas (if he hasn't) should claim and stump, so we have guaranteed 1 less scum.

XD

I still think he should treestump also but I am willing to give him 1 night to use one of his powers.

[Zang]

The lurker list-

CML-Hasn't posted since March 22, Hasnt made relevant post since March 20

Docpotter- Hasn't posted since March 18, hasn't made a relevant post since March 18 (if ever), posted as Annachie March 24

CoolDoG- Hasn't posted since March 22, Hasnt made a relavent post since March 22


I'm fine with lynching any of the above

Unvote

Vote:Docpotter

[Zang]

Welcome. But crypto-claim now.

[Zang]

Wow DS was scum

and

Unvote

because crymeariver is a lot more active.


Will post something better later.

[Zang]

ok, i'm also confused

I can now see that Zorestar is sham but I don't understand why he did it. It would be obvious when zoraster posted the next votecount.

Hoopla-Why did you fake kill deathnote?

I am curious about Hoopla's strategy. Why would she fake a kill on someone? Is she maf? I am up for a Hoopla lynch until she explains her actions.

Plz note who is alive on the front page.

I'm curious about your strategy. Why make a sham just to tell us this? Why not use your regular acount? Why do you want to protect your identity?

[Zang]

I'm fine with lynching Zorestar/hoopla lynch but first I want to hear what hoopla/zorestar has to say.

[Zang]

don't have much time but hooplas logic makes sence. But I think we should lynch cml or hmn so

Vote: CallMeLiam

[Zang]

Ok, unfortunately cml was town. And this is interesting that we can talk during night but it is pretty obvious since the MD thread would be open.

[Zang]

Welcome!

But when your done cathing up grimmy, please claim.

[Zang]

We don't know that he's town. Either UK or fishy is town the other is scum. We think it is UK that is scum that's why he is already treestumped but we can not be 100% sure that he is so we will treestump fishy after he uses his rolecop ability this night.

[Zang]

Well UK is scum but she isn't worth a lynch. It will just waist one on a treestump but uk, I would like to see your conversation with the mod concerning this. I do have to agree though that Hate me not is scum, there was no reason for him to post.

Vote: Hate_Me_Not

and xvart, do you know what your word did last night?

[Zang]

Ani give your key, hoopla give your key.

[Zang]

Anis claim checks out

[Zang]

I am going to go ahead and claim Hate_Me_Not as my role. It is obviously a huge distraction to town. I understand it being considered a scummy tactic, but only for anyone else beside me. I had all the right in the world to do that seeing as I was the one being Fake killed. To prove it was me, I will add this PM conversation that I had with Zoraster after my initial two PMs.

Ok well... tell me if I am wrong for doing this, but I am going to create a sham account and post in it. Will this be acceptable? I am assuming it is allowed since I am not in the dead area.

Sham account name is: Hate_Me_Not

You haven't explained why you did it though.

sure. you can post either way.

[Zang]

I wrote inside the quote by mistake

[Zang]

I am going to go ahead and claim Hate_Me_Not as my role. It is obviously a huge distraction to town. I understand it being considered a scummy tactic, but only for anyone else beside me. I had all the right in the world to do that seeing as I was the one being Fake killed. To prove it was me, I will add this PM conversation that I had with Zoraster after my initial two PMs.

Ok well... tell me if I am wrong for doing this, but I am going to create a sham account and post in it. Will this be acceptable? I am assuming it is allowed since I am not in the dead area.

Sham account name is: Hate_Me_Not

sure. you can post either way.

why not post in your real account?

[Zang]

Wow, a lot has happened in ten hours.

Hooplas claim is very suspicous but I still think she might be town. But please nobody loose their key. 

Your an idiot (addressing anyone who is calling me out as scum for claiming my sham). 

I can understand if I was caught hiding my sham account, but I confessed it. obviously people thought it was anti town to point out I was still alive which might be the case assuming that it was anyone beside me that pulled that stunt. I was curious as to were this was leading so I used a Sham, big deal. 

I derailed town from lynching me. It is not my fault we lynch a different town person. Either way, we might have lynch him today.

I have to agree with tnm, why didn't you claim earlier. You were at L-1 yesterday why didn't you claim then?

I haven't been playing too much attention to the thread as a whole. Anyways, Deathnote, UK and Zang.

I can undrstand deathnote and UK claimed scum. But why me?

[Zang]

If I am now considered scum based off Hate_Me_Not, then perhaps I shouldn't have claimed it after all. I figured that was pro town thing to do at this point.

I can see Hoopla as scum, but from TNM's reasoning.

I believe that you still haven't answered why you didn't claim yesterday.

[Zang]

What was that?

[Zang]

I knew that, I meant the last part

Crap, L1 already? Fine, I guess I will have to do this then...

billet-doux

also billet doux, 1670s, "love letter," from Fr., lit. "sweet note," from billet "document, note"

[Zang]

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

It only took me three tries! Her key for the first claim was "zorastersucksdick" and she did claim vanilla townie. Woot!

I checked it out and it was true

Vote: Hoopla

[Zang]

Unvote

Vote: Hoopla

forgot to unvote

[Zang]

Yes, we lynched scum!

Also, I just checked the Usernames, and The Real Gunsmith isn't even a sham, but a clever unmade username in a fake photo.

Oh really?
I am going to establish that I am not a gunsmith, I just couldn't think of a name for another sham account.

Than who are you?

[quote="UK]Well, damn, Hoopla was scum?

Son of a gun .

Oh wait, I probably knew that. Or did I?

Also, we are strong killing ani. Don't bother with the doc protect.[/quote]

I am getting really tired of your mindgames.

[Zang]

Xvart didn't say he was a tracker. This was what he said was his role PM. Could Xvart have been gelid?

You are the town Obsessive Compulsive Wordsmith. Every night (including Night 0), you must pick a word from the list below. Due to your obsessive compulsive nature about increasing your fellow town member's vocabulary you must get someone to say the selected word the following day or you will kill yourself the following night. If someone other than you uses that word the following day, the next night you must link me to the post that uses the word in your PM. If you fail to pick a word during each night phase you will automatically kill yourself the following night.

You may use the word yourself, but it does not count if they quote you or intended to quote you.

The words you may select are: mondegreen, aubade, pecuniary, distrait, eschew, ignoramus, approbation, vitiate, tarradiddle, coquetry, cupidity, billet-doux, vivify, inexorable, hynagogic, duplicity, gastronome, egregious, fractious, fructuous, Arcanum, supplicate, quixotic.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

Confirm in Thread

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

You can now see what I mean about the word list. I wasn't really confident in my skills to get someone to say "tarradiddle" or "billet-doux" so I went with "duplicity" day one. I did consider "ignoramus"...

xvart.

[Zang]

No, it's pretty obvious what he wanted to do with his claim:
1) Get someone to say the word without him revealing his power
2) Look as vanilla as possible so scum doesn't kill him

Did any sham accounts happen to claim tracker? I don't remember

Gelid did, hence why I said 'Could xvart be gelid?'

[Zang]

Ah the whole gelid thing makes sense now, gelid tracked Espeonage on night 1 and he didn't go anywhere. So Espeonage is pretty much confirmed town now if I'm not missing anything given Ani's investigation last night (Espeonage if you are a cop this is the time to claim as it means Ani is lying.)

Ani fails for check Espeonage if Espeonage had already been tracked to no one

What are you saying?

[Zang]

The kill on xvart is a strange choice to me, I thought out of everyone he would be the last to be killed given the role he claimed, and I don't know about everyone else but the thought of him being a tracker hadn't even entered into my mind. This makes me think scum somehow knew xvart's true role, and I don't remember seeing any clues from xvart so the only way I can think of that they would have worked this out is if they used the sham detector thing on gelid:

With the emergence of lots of Sham accounts I am letting you know that I am a sham cop. As in I can find out the identity of a sham account. I have the ability to confirm if people are worried about who a sham belongs to. I will only appear when requested by someone bacause my power does have limitations (not to mention the post restriction).

So only bother this sham if you are indeed worried about someone elses sham.

This is an interesting theory and I am inclined to agree.

BrandyJay-Did you use your power on gelid/xvart.

I'm thinking that the remaining scum could be the sham cop, at any rate I'd like to hear from Brandyjay.

[Zang]

I put my message inside the quote

The kill on xvart is a strange choice to me, I thought out of everyone he would be the last to be killed given the role he claimed, and I don't know about everyone else but the thought of him being a tracker hadn't even entered into my mind. This makes me think scum somehow knew xvart's true role, and I don't remember seeing any clues from xvart so the only way I can think of that they would have worked this out is if they used the sham detector thing on gelid:

With the emergence of lots of Sham accounts I am letting you know that I am a sham cop. As in I can find out the identity of a sham account. I have the ability to confirm if people are worried about who a sham belongs to. I will only appear when requested by someone bacause my power does have limitations (not to mention the post restriction).

So only bother this sham if you are indeed worried about someone elses sham.

I'm thinking that the remaining scum could be the sham cop, at any rate I'd like to hear from Brandyjay.

This is an interesting theory and I am inclined to agree.

BrandyJay-Did you use your power on gelid/xvart.

[Zang]

and im curious to see what the mod says about cry's questions, even though i highly doubt that it would be allowed.

I agree, I don't believe it will be allowed.

[Zang]

Hm...

I'm going to look at the rules again.

[Zang]

Nope, no loopholes but I'm not a lawyer.

[Zang]

Vote: Brandyjay

at least until he answers

[Zang]

No I asked the mod this previously

You said that if a sham account is lynched, the real avcount I'd lynched,

is this true for nightkills?

it's not true for nightkills, no.

[Zang]

Personally, I'm fine with a mass claim

Zang: Has a relatively short cryptoclaim, did not want to say xvart's word, targeted TNM throughout game, never mentions Hoopla as a scum suspect, tries to pass of Hoopla's losing of key as nothing

why is me having a short cryptoclaim a scum tell?

And why is it bad that I didn't want to say xvarts word? I did not know what it would do.


Also why are you posting in a sham?

[Zang]

I will claim, just give me a second to find my key.

[Zang]

Key-

MKZEQ-ZWMIN-GQHBJ-CJUKU-MDTZP-QIHYN-MNZMV-XYVWD-BWVUH-JPSNG-ZFNRZ-ZUFQK

[Zang]

You are the town Bodyguard (aka Human Shield). Each night you may select a player to protect. If that player is shot at, you will fling yourself in front of them and take the bullet in their stead.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

Confirm in Thread

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

[Zang]

I also doubt that there are two protective roles.

But this is a bastard setup.

[Zang]

UK, stop misrepresenting yourself, you look NOTHING like those pictures you're drawing. I searched for you on facebook and here's one of your photos that I found:



You do look good though, have you lost weight?

I just got this.

[Zang]

UK, stop misrepresenting yourself, you look NOTHING like those pictures you're drawing. I searched for you on facebook and here's one of your photos that I found:



You do look good though, have you lost weight?

I just got this.

[Zang]

[quote="Grimmy claim]I am a townie who has the ability to prevent someone from voting every other day. I used this on one of you and that will become apparent later in the day.
I got a bad vibe from this person so I made themlose thier vote. Hope this helps.

Grimmy[/quote]

so hoopla was the vote you prevented yesterday.

[Zang]

What does that mean?

[Zang]

I am a sham account cop. I can see who a sham account belongs to if i so wish. There are limitations but I wont go into those here. So there you go peeps. There is my role. Now I am adding fluff to make this longer. la di da. I wonder if this is long enough yet.

ok but can you answer our questions.

[Zang]

I put my message inside the quote

The kill on xvart is a strange choice to me, I thought out of everyone he would be the last to be killed given the role he claimed, and I don't know about everyone else but the thought of him being a tracker hadn't even entered into my mind. This makes me think scum somehow knew xvart's true role, and I don't remember seeing any clues from xvart so the only way I can think of that they would have worked this out is if they used the sham detector thing on gelid:

With the emergence of lots of Sham accounts I am letting you know that I am a sham cop. As in I can find out the identity of a sham account. I have the ability to confirm if people are worried about who a sham belongs to. I will only appear when requested by someone bacause my power does have limitations (not to mention the post restriction).

So only bother this sham if you are indeed worried about someone elses sham.

I'm thinking that the remaining scum could be the sham cop, at any rate I'd like to hear from Brandyjay.

This is an interesting theory and I am inclined to agree.

BrandyJay-Did you use your power on gelid/xvart.

This

[Zang]

No. I have not used my power yet.
Should I?

I didn't think it was one-shot or that you wouldn't use it on one of the biggest shams in the game but I think you should use it because if we are going to massclaim soon I think that would include shams.

[Zang]

Your claim is corrupted, I can't view it

[Zang]

got it

You are a town Vanilla townie. Booooo hiss. You only have the power to vote… for now.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

[Zang]

(there can't be any spaces at the end of the key, I think that's why it disdnt work for me)

[Zang]

Unvote

Vote: totallynotmafia

i agree that it is very wierd that tnms claim seems to match up almost perfectly with hooplas.

[Zang]

Hooplas role-

You also have the ability to "Broadcast" a message once a day. To do this, PM me with your message. I'll then post the message verbatim, although it will be designated as a player broadcast. Please note that you will also get a "Fake" townie PM soon that

includes this power in it.

THIS is your real role PM.

he must have gotten a fake brodcaster pm not VT

[Zang]

My role is The Man. If you kill me you all lose. Just kidding . I shall copy paste my role PM now.
You are the town EMT. Each night you may select a player. If that player is shot, you can keep that person alive for the next day. They will die at the end of the day. They will be roleblocked from any day action as well as any night action that came after being shot. They will not be told this has happened to them. This power will only work once.

Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13693

I'm going to go back and check if his quoted message maches his previous.

[Zang]

Both crypto claims are the same

[Zang]

Who's left to claim besides deathnote?

[Zang]

What's your key

[Zang]

?????

What is the key to your crypto claim?

[Zang]

Neither "key" nor "keys" work

this happened with me to I also tryed" key...", "keys..." and And keys... or key one of the two".

[Zang]

I don't really see him as scum but he lost his key so

Unvote
Vote: Deathnote

[Zang]

I didn't lose my key. My key was "key" or "keys". Either way, it is one of those two.

FoS Zang

Neither of the keys have worked for me or ani or CMR

[Zang]

Night 1 I protected Xvart

Night 2 I protected Ani

[Zang]

Night 1 I protected Xvart

Night 2 I protected Ani

Vote: Zang

You had absolutely no reason to protect xvart since at the time none of us knew he was a tracker, but everyone was under the assumption that he was a useless townie.

I didn't, I thought he was an obssesive compulsive wordsmith, Like he claimed. And who else should I have protected? I wasn't going to waist one on fishy because he was macho.

[Zang]

Night 1 I protected Xvart

Night 2 I protected Ani

Vote: Zang

You had absolutely no reason to protect xvart since at the time none of us knew he was a tracker, but everyone was under the assumption that he was a useless townie.

I didn't, I thought he was an obssesive compulsive wordsmith, Like he claimed. And who else should I have protected? I wasn't going to waist one on fishy because he was macho.

You had no reason to protect the virtually useless vanilla townie - did you really think he'd be nk'ed?

I had no idea what his role did but he was a good player and with almost everyone else lurking I thought he was the best person to protect.

[Zang]

Vote Zang faster

Do you even have any case on me anymore?

[Zang]

Vote Zang faster

Do you even have any case on me anymore?

Seriously? Yes

what is it?

All you have on me is that I protected Xvart.

[Zang]

Vote Zang faster

Do you even have any case on me anymore?

Seriously? Yes

what is it?

All you have on me is that I protected Xvart.

No. The fact of roles.
1) I still don't see a point in two protective roles.
2) Everyone else has had crazy ridiculous roles that are not normal, yet you are just "Town Bodyguard"? Doubtful

What about tnm? He doesn't have a crazy, rediculous role. As far as we know he is just a vannila townie, you can't get any more normal than that

[Zang]

Ok This is my post why we should just settle on a lynch.

1. We are close to deadline.
2. We have only one scum left assuming Zoraster isn't being a bastard or countering all out PRs.
3. With a max of two unknown scum we can vote someone out now then have a sure vote for tomorrow by lynching UK (which needs to be done eventually).
4. we as town are in a pretty good position. We have 2 scum already and still have 7 people.

I say we vote out TMN and then get into that argument that is going on tomorrow.

What say the rest of you?

I agree that we should just decide a lynch, I think it should be either tnm or Deathnote.

[Zang]

Guys, we lynch DeathNote, I Gun Smith Zang?

Would a bodyguard have a gun?

And not to sound suspicous but wouldn't it be better to gunsmith tnm because a vannila townie definetaly wouldn't have a gun.

[Zang]

Is deathnote lynched? Or is he at L-1?

[Zang]

I just wanted to clarify that yes, treestumping does mean that powers are unusable. The only thing a treestumped person can do is post about the game here, in public mafiascum threads, and -- if scum -- in the QT at the appropriate times.

a treestumped player is pretty much just a dead person that can post in the thread. Like tnm pointed out, she is eliminated from the game.

[Zang]

So she doesn't count to scum people?

Probably not

[Zang]

So she doesn't count to scum people?

Probably not

This convinces me that you are the scum we are looking for in my mind.

What?

[Zang]

So she doesn't count to scum people?

Probably not

This convinces me that you are the scum we are looking for in my mind.

What?

She clearly still counts as a person to scum. Even if she doesn't, you'd have no reason to not think so unless you were scum yourself.

Zoraster said that she can do nothing but post in the thread, I would assume that also means she can not submit mafia night kills.

[Zang]

So she doesn't count to scum people?

Probably not

This convinces me that you are the scum we are looking for in my mind.

What?

She clearly still counts as a person to scum. Even if she doesn't, you'd have no reason to not think so unless you were scum yourself.

Zoraster said that she can do nothing but post in the thread, I would assume that also means she can not submit mafia night kills.

No one said anything about submitting mafia night kills. We are talking about that she counts for the overall mafia count. You are on animorph tonight, correct?

I know. I don't think she would count as part of the mafia if she can no submit night kills if she is the only scum left, though.

[Zang]

UKs last pic linked to this

@mod: if a person is lynched or NK'ed, do we learn the sham accounts associated with that person? Or do the shams just die a lonely death?

It's a lonely death. Sham accounts are not revealed upon death.

Also, elmo from that other thread brings up a good point, so I'll clarify: for the purposes of win conditions, a treestumped player is considered eliminated.

[Zang]

Testing mine-

Vote: CryMeaRiver

[Zang]

@CMAR: I said Zang. But he has a gun, so

vote:Zang

Would a bodyguard have a gun?

The role wouldn't but the flavour would

[Zang]

And you were asked to gun smith tnm.

[Zang]

ani-

wouldn't it be better to gunsmith tnm because a vannila townie definetaly wouldn't have a gun.

Do either of those seem likely to you? If they do, then I'm happy to have Ani gunsmith myself so that you can stop tunnelling me and start scum hunting properly.

And a (real) bodyguard probably would have a gun. I'm not sure if zoraster is basing it off of role or flavor.

[Zang]

I was just about to point out the fact that scum has to be either Ani or Zang but then again it's possible a bodyguard might have a gun.

@Ani: did you think about this before you threw a vote out in lylo?

At any rate people need to unvote asap.

I thought it was Mylo.

[Zang]

Yep

Vote: no lynch

[Zang]

Ok

Unvote
Vote: UncertainKitten

[Zang]

That must be the shortest night ever.

[Zang]

Ani-What are your results on tnm?

[Zang]

I protected ani.

[Zang]

Why did you do that when CMAR was already protecting him?

I didn't see his post until after day started.

[Zang]

Vote:TottalyNotMafia

[Zang]

Yes I have but you have a gun. A VT wouldn't have a gun

[Zang]

Yes I have but you have a gun. A VT wouldn't have a gun

Exactly, which is why Ani is lying and is scum. Do you really think I would invite Ani to gunsmith me if I was scum with a VT claim?

Well, You couldn't deny ani gunsmithing you without sounding like scum.

[Zang]

So in your mind, there's no possible way that Ani is a scum gunsmith who bussed his partner on day 2 in order to get a free ride to the end?

I think it is possible but more unlikely.

[Zang]

Zang, I defy you to go back and find even one instance where I've acted scummy. Ani has consistently shown infifference and has hardly scum-hunted at all .

If Ani was town then there's no way he would have immediately voted Hoopla upon his investigation as it states in his role PM that some town members would have guns so there's no way he could have known for sure:

I will not provide a list of who has guns, but I will say that most mafia members, some town members, and if there are any, some third party members, will have guns

And he did the same thing when he voted for you yesterday Zang, if he was town he would have considered the fact that a bodyguard might have a gun.

I will go look back and reread until then I will

Unvote

[Zang]

Well tnm is right that ani has done no scumhunting but only day 1. He picked it up day 2 though but this could be just because he got his result on hoopla.

Tnm has done almost twice the scumhunting of ani but what is suspicous (besides him having a gun) is that like ani pointed out, Tnm has shown no suspicouns of ani until post 881 after ani said he has a gun.

[Zang]

15. Mafia will receive a fake role pm upon entering the game, but may also request other fake role pms.

[Zang]

If I were scum I could have jumped on the vote for you yesterday, claiming that bodyguards don't necessarily have guns and avoided the gunsmith tonight, winning the game then and there.[/b] Except you'd be lynched the next day anyways[/b]

He wouldn't gave been because it was Mylo.

[Zang]

If I were scum I could have jumped on the vote for you yesterday, claiming that bodyguards don't necessarily have guns and avoided the gunsmith tonight, winning the game then and there.

Except you'd be lynched the next day anyways

He wouldn't gave been because it was Mylo.

[Zang]

If Ani were town he would have voted for me immediately after gunsmithing me, as in that case that would make me 100% scum with my VT claim. [/b]I thought I did[/b]

Nope, you said he had a gun and then he said this before you voted for him.-

Oh wow, okay Ani is scum, pretty sure VT's don't have guns.

[/b]vote: animorpherv1[/b]

@Zang and Grimmy I'm fairly sure I can show you guys why Ani is scum just please give me the chance to do so.

[Zang]

If Ani were town he would have voted for me immediately after gunsmithing me, as in that case that would make me 100% scum with my VT claim.

I thought I did

Nope, you said he had a gun and then he said this before you voted for him.-

Oh wow, okay Ani is scum, pretty sure VT's don't have guns.

vote: animorpherv1

@Zang and Grimmy I'm fairly sure I can show you guys why Ani is scum just please give me the chance to do so.

[Zang]

Town have a vote blocker and a vetoer to counteract that. Add to that an EMT, a bodyguard, a tracker, a sham tracer, and a town cop detector and there's no surprise that there would be a VT and that there would be a gunsmith on the scum side. As you said yourself a single VT has been done before.

there is no point of a cop detector if there is no cops.

[Zang]

I was digging to see if TNM would slip up somehow, as he was the one whose vote I blocked. I figured if he was the role cop, he would have said something along the lines of he knew he was vote blocked. I asked the mod if this woudl happen, and under normal circumstances, he wouldnt be told.

Grimmy

Did you vote block him today or yesterday?

[Zang]

Day 5 Vote Count

( 0 )
totallynotmafia ( 0 ) Clank/Ani
Clank/Ani ( 0 ) totallynotmafia
Zang ( 0 )
Grimmy ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 4 ) Grimmy Zang
Total Votes ( 4 )

With 4 able to vote, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Saturday, May 2nd at 11:00 EDT

um, wtf?

Do you mean that may 2nd is on a Sunday?

[Zang]

I think it means by "total votes" that there are 4 able to vote.

[Zang]

ack. yes. that is wrong. I forgot to update the vote counts. my bad! It's been corrected

May 2nd is still on a Sunday.

[Zang]

ack. yes. that is wrong. I forgot to update the vote counts. my bad! It's been corrected

May 2nd is still on a Sunday.

and it's still 2 weeks from when the last day began, but I can move it to Monday morning if people aren't around on the weekend.

I meant that the votecount said it was Saturday.

[Zang]

Wait. I just thought. Today is MYLO. It's impossible for there to be 2 Mafia, as it would be 2 town/2 Mafia Mafia win. TNM lied. So either we lynch him, or no lynch. He caused us a valuble lynch.

Also, BUMP.

I'm fine with no lynching or lynching Tnm

@TNM:

Why did you not copy/paste your full Role PM into your Crypto Claim?

Is it bad to not put your full role PM in the cryptoclaim?

[Zang]

Well, I didn't quite my role in the crypto claim, I thought it was just a claim and when somebody brought it up and I asked fishy if I shouldve quoted my role pm and he said this -

No, it's fine. No need to do a PM, no need to fluff out the cipher. People who haven't done them yet are the ones who need to fluff out the ciphers.

[Zang]

could you please give me a good reason why you would support a no lynch this late in the game?

It's Mylo and if we no lynch and if the mafia kills someone, it will narrow the choices of scum down to 1 in 3.

[Zang]

I'm fine with no lynching or lynching Tnm

Im curious. Why havent you voted for Tnm if you are ok with his lynch?

Or put in a vote for a No lynch if you wanted to play it safe?

Grimmy

I havent decided on who to vote for, so I havent placed on yet.

I haven't placed my vote on anybody because today is very likely the last day unless there Is a no lynch.

[Zang]

Oh and don't forget that includes Clank's posts as well. I just found this gem:

Two points:

1. By "creative instincts" I think the mod meant that things like making a sham that appears to be a dead player and then using it post elsewhere would not be prohbited. Etcetera.

2.

Lynch Zang!

vote Zang

Ythill's been right about this game so far.

Here Ani is blatantly misusing the "Let's Play a Game!" thread, using it as an excuse to vote Zang so he doesn't have to give his own opinion.

this makes sence but why then? Ythill and Shadt.ed have been saying "Lynch Zang" the whole time the "Lets play a game" thread has been up

No, if I had a gun like you claim then that would make me scum because there is no way a VT would have a gun. It has nothing to do with Grimmy, who we already established was town by the way because he wasn't around to submit the NK.

I agree with this to but how does this make him scum?

[Zang]

Ya, ok.

Vote: No lynch

[Zang]

Unvote
Vote: Ani

[Zang]

Muahahahahaha!

[Zang]

Sorry town and thanks hoopla

And this is the first game I survived! I thought I was doomed until the deathnote lynch.

I loved this game, good job!

and out of curiosity Zoraster, would a bodyguard have a gun?

[Zang]

I loved the daytalking posts! Guess where mine was.

[Zang]

And the complexity was great.

[Zang]

2. This is a bastard setup.

[Zang]

Thanks guys!

The only way I won though was because deathnote lost his key.

[Zang]

Had to bite my tongue SO many times when you all were like "OH NOES! WE HAVE 5 PLAYERS! IT'S MYLO!"

ditto

[Zang]

I loved the daytalking posts! Guess where mine was.

Fine I'll tell you. It's in Destroy The Picture Above You thread, pg.6 post 134.

[Zang]

I also made a sham called "Oor", I never got to use it and I wouldve posted in it but it said it's inactive so, oh well.

[Zang]

I just wanted deathnote lynched, so I killed you because you led the wagon. So we wouldve still killed you.