Newbie 922: Day 3

[havingfitz]

Cojin wrote:
I feel we shouldent pressure her for a claim, not this early there is not enough to go off of.
LOL! Oh, Cojin... Who said anything about a claim? That'll take some 'splainin'.

I was premptivly stopping someone from suggesting just that.

Ill go get myself an avatar rightn ow.

You brought up claims to prevent people from suggested them? <note to self: still happy where vote is>

Did someone ask you to get an avatar?

Votecount
Panacea - 3 (BridgesAndBaloons, Lawls, Edprata)
Lawls - 1 (Elementary Fermion)
havingfitz - 1 (Acosmist)
Independent John - 1 (Panacea)
Elementary Fermion - 1 (Independent John)
Cojin - 1 (havingfitz)

Not Voting - 1 (Cojin)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[havingfitz]

Lawls...for someone with a lot of mafia experience you do not have a lot to say and you have been a bit lurky. One post a day is better than a lot of people (unfortunately) but three posts of little to no value aren't a very pro town effort. Town should be engaged in the game andd looking for scum.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Alright, it's about now to reveal my reasons for my vote:

Panacea's first post came across as overly helpful, which only seemed scummy in tandem with the fact that she didn't take a side. She talked about the choice between RVS and RQS instead of making a single vote or question. It seemed a little odd and wanting to go with the majority. Now, granted, at this time I had never heard the idea of learning from the debate between RVS and RQS. In fact, I still find very little value in theory-discussion for finding town or scum. Theory discussion is helpful for newbies to learn, though.

So I decided to vote for her since she didn't make a vote or question.

Her overt worry of putting someone at L-2 (still really far away in a newbie game, and if that person was quick-hammered by scum, that directly shows us scum the next day, so L-2 is not really a concern right now) sort of compounded my ideas that she was being overtly careful.

On post 16 she does the same thing, entirely avoiding the bandwagons that help us sort scum from town. This might be more anti-town than scummy behavior.

Boiled down case: helpfulness without committing to definite action, overly careful.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

@Bridges: Would you mind providing an appropriate abbreviation?

Sorry, missed this before.

You can call me Bridges, Bab, B&B, or

Dr. Awesome

really anything that makes it clear you are referring to my user name. I guess Baloons or Balloons would work, too.

[Panacea]

So much posts over RVS. People seem to be getting their panties in a twist, oh wait that's only Pancea. (Only cause you're a girl, good to see some chick mafia players)

What, no one at the table in drag?

I spent far more time reading those than I wanted to, or expected to have to.

Panacea: you spam. A lot.

Yeah, sorry. Probably should've given you a warning label on that. I am working on it, though.

Panacea is very deferential as town, and scattershot as mafia. She posts a lot no matter what. She can be a bit frivolous, whether town or mafia. As town, she tries to post game-relevant things, sometimes trying to get blood from a stone. As mafia, she throws up a smokescreen of dadaist ramblings.

I hadn't expected anyone to read

all

of them; your review is quite appreciated, though, thank you!

Alright, it's about now to reveal my reasons for my vote:

Panacea's first post came across as overly helpful, which only seemed scummy in tandem with the fact that she didn't take a side. She talked about the choice between RVS and RQS instead of making a single vote or question. It seemed a little odd and wanting to go with the majority. Now, granted, at this time I had never heard the idea of learning from the debate between RVS and RQS. In fact, I still find very little value in theory-discussion for finding town or scum. Theory discussion is helpful for newbies to learn, though.

So I decided to vote for her since she didn't make a vote or question.

Her overt worry of putting someone at L-2 (still really far away in a newbie game, and if that person was quick-hammered by scum, that directly shows us scum the next day, so L-2 is not really a concern right now) sort of compounded my ideas that she was being overtly careful.

On post 16 she does the same thing, entirely avoiding the bandwagons that help us sort scum from town. This might be more anti-town than scummy behavior.

Boiled down case: helpfulness without committing to definite action, overly careful.

I disagree, but accept your case. I do, however, take note of the fact that all this has been recycled. Somehow I got the impression you had a lot more than a case that's already been built in-forum.

@Lawls: I would really appreciate it if you'd

answer the question I keep asking you

. Why is your vote where it is?

:arrow: Edprada and Independent John, I'm notorious for calling prods.

Aaaaand:

unvote

[Acosmist]

Did someone ask you to get an avatar?

See below.

Cojin and Edprada: Would y'all mind getting avis? It will help keep track of you both.

Moving on...

Boiled down case: helpfulness without committing to definite action, overly careful.

My read on Panacea's previous games was that she's very obliging as town. When she sticks her neck out and gets chastised by a more experienced player, she retreats pretty quickly. It might be the natural lack of confidence that comes from being in the uninformed majority. I don't know what it is, but the precise things you're pointing out as

scum

tells are things I made a note of when reading her

town

games.

Note: As those games progressed, I skimmed with a lower degree of precision. Therefore, more precisely, I would say that obsequiousness is an

early-game

town tell for Panacea. No offense, Fräulein Panacea, but I don't look forward to having to wade through the morass of your previous late-game posts to evaluate you later in this game.

Prediction: Panacea responds to my gentle insults by being apologetic and cheerful.

Request: people who make cases on other people try to base those cases on player-specific tells rather than working from a template.

[Lawls]

havingfitz I can only really post one post a day as I'm in a different timezone when all the activity is happening so yeh kinda sucks.

Pancea my vote on you is only random as most people have been doing, nothing has really struck out at me yet but I will keep my vote on you at this stage.

[havingfitz]

Did someone ask you to get an avatar?

See below.

Cojin and Edprada: Would y'all mind getting avis? It will help keep track of you both.

Ahhhh...I did a search for avatar. I saw this post but I thought she was talking about the rental car company and was insinuating we needed GPS to locate them (Which is more applicable I think).

havingfitz I can only really post one post a day as I'm in a different timezone when all the activity is happening so yeh kinda sucks.

Your timezone limits you to one post a day? That’s a new one on me. Which timezone would that be? A different timezone (which I am in as well...GMT) might keep you from realtime, instant message type, posting on the board with others. It should not be an excuse for no content. Having a read through, formulating opinions, discussing suspicions, and providing justification for votes is in now way dependent on timezones.

[Independent John]

Sorry guys but first and foremost I am responding to a prod, but I have and will be over the next 2 days busy with university starting again and my commitment to the frisbee club and other important societies there I will not be active but I shall try and do some reading tonight and report back asap!

[havingfitz]

Sorry guys but first and foremost I am responding to a prod, but I have and will be over the next 2 days busy with university starting again and my commitment to the frisbee club and other important societies there I will not be active but I shall try and do some reading tonight and report back asap!

You did not foresee these conflicts when you joined up?

FoS Independent John

for coordinated lurking.

[Panacea]

No offense, Fräulein Panacea, but I don't look forward to having to wade through the morass of your previous late-game posts to evaluate you later in this game.

Oh, no worries! Trust me, I know I've had a habit of being chatty. Scum from my last Townie game told me in post-game that it was part of the reason I was Nk'ed N1; I'm still working on game theory, but I know I'm useful in keeping us rolling.

Prediction: Panacea responds to my gentle insults by being apologetic and cheerful.

... Wow, you are really good..! But I'll raise you one semi-irrelevant question: you wouldn't be some type of writer now, would you?

Pancea my vote on you is only random

as most people have been doing

There are only three votes on me, one of which has been claimed to have actually had purpose. "Most people"..? You're coming off as rather scummy to me right now.

Haven't contributed anything to the hunt and don't intend to for the next few days, ending in an absense of over 1/3 of the Day phase.

(Sorry; RayFrost is one of my MS heroes.)

I should be studying for my Anthropology midterm in an hour, so I'm mostly just going to tweak a list of Thesp's (Acosmist, yes, I did this as scum; regardless of what my allignment was in that game, it moved us out of stagnant waters, and RVS has fallen apart. It isn't random this time, either):

Havingfitz

: Do you enjoy having town roles or scum roles more? On an unrelated note, are you happy?

Bridges

: Are you scum? If not, why are you lying?

Lawls

: How good would you consider yourself at MafiaScum?

Independent John

: Do you think lurking is a scumtell?

Elementary

: What's the best method for catching scum?

Cojin

: Do you play better as town or scum? Which do you prefer?

Acosmist

: Do you find happiness in receiving role PMs? Were you happy when you got your role PM for this game?

Edprada

: Do you really

have nothing to hide.

? Do you really think

l[ing] back a bit and observ[ing] how this go for the first days

is a good idea?

[havingfitz]

Havingfitz

: Do you enjoy having town roles or scum roles more?

I have only had one scum role...in a game I replaced into. It was fun...and slightly stressful. Being town isn't stressful...until you are in LYLO and are the game deciding vote. I don't think I have had enough of an opportunity as scum to answer. I look forward to more games as scum...some day.

On an unrelated note, are you happy?

This question got a grin out of me. So at the moment...yes.

[Elementary Fermion]

Elementary

: What's the best method for catching scum?

By voting for them!

But really, in the few games that I have played, the people who talked the most and the least were scummy, or at least had some other non-vanilla role. After a lynch and a nightkill have both been consummated, I find that the true hunt can begin, based on those two actions and the responses thereto.

[Cojin]

Cojin : Do you play better as town or scum? Which do you prefer?

I prefer town as i find it less stressing.

Your timezone limits you to one post a day? That’s a new one on me. Which timezone would that be? A different timezone (which I am in as well...GMT) might keep you from realtime, instant message type, posting on the board with others. It should not be an excuse for no content. Having a read through, formulating opinions, discussing suspicions, and providing justification for votes is in now way dependent on timezones.

I think what they are trying to say is more or less, they are not on at the same time we are, but givin the amount of time that has progress and the amount of posts per person, being in a diffrent time zone would not affect how much they post or how often, it would just atribute to lack of simulposting, if anything I am taking his actions of small posts and trying to excuse his lurking ness with uninformed filler is nothing other then

active lurking

Vote: Lawls

[BridgesAndBaloons]

@54, I'm fully aware that my case seems to be recycyled from others, but I can gurantee those were my reasons for keeping the vote. As for withholding reasons, I find it generates more interesting reactions to give votes without reasons early game. It also subtly hints at the idea of generating a bandwagon, which is the most useful information-gathering tool town has Day 1.

unvote

I've about gotten what I think I'm going to get out of that vote.

Sorry guys but first and foremost I am responding to a prod, but I have and will be over the next 2 days busy with university starting again and my commitment to the frisbee club and other important societies there I will not be active but I shall try and do some reading tonight and report back asap!

You did not foresee these conflicts when you joined up?

FoS Independent John

for coordinated lurking.

FOS: Havingfitz

Bridges

: Are you scum? If not, why are you lying?

I'm not scum, and I haven't lied once this game. Also, I have stopped beating my wife... er I mean I haven't stopped...

[Phate]

RayFrost replaces Edprata.

[RayFrost]

Yo, I've replaced in due to the mod and a few of the players.

Now I'm just waiting for a role PM from the mod.

[RayFrost]

Some questions to get us started:

1) Have you played with anyone on this list before?
2) What is your prior mafia game experience?
3) What is your favorite fruit?
4) Self-identify an aspect of your personality or mafia-playstyle.

Yes, i have. Specifically, I've played with havingfitz and panacea before, not including ongoing games.

Look at my wiki. It contains all 343827149 of my games.

My favorite fruit is the dreaded Frospin fruit of awesome + 9 (also known as the apple).

According to Zachrulez, my playstyle is eccentric and erratic.

[RayFrost]

Doing a little re-reading during this slow spell.....

Panacea’s first post strikes me as a bit overly helpful. Explaining RVS and RQS was fine...but then following it up with the “Which sounds best” question seemed to be just a bit over the top. Like you were trying to determine the way the players would want to proceed before doing so.

[Intro] Hello everybody, I am your friendly neighborhood

semi-experienced (SE)

inexperience-challenged (IC) player.

Basically, I'm this guy who has played some games and has some experience, and I'm meant to help you newbies along in your development processes.

I've had some previous experience with players thinking the moderator sets the roles manually and will set more experienced players on each side, blah, blah, blah.

The standard for setting roles is to use random.org and let it generate who gets what role.

Some good information to have (standard mafia terminology) is as follows...

OMGUS, WIFOM, Bussing, Mafia Etiquette, Lynch-or-Lose, Random Vote, and the Random Questioning Stage

These are all links to (what I feel to be) rather important information.

It's recommended reading for those of you that are new.[/intro]

[BridgesAndBaloons]

wow, this game is incredibly experienced for a newbie game.
4ICs
2SE
3 newbies.

woh.

[RayFrost]

Oi, everybody, lawls is a newbie.

His '30+' games offsite don't say anhthing, considering the difference in quality across sites...

[ongoing game reference removed - RayFrost]

[Panacea]

Mobile atm, so I can't do much. Just desperately wanted to spam you all with an

OHMYGOD, RAYFROST IS HERE!!!!

post!! Ahh! Welcome, Ray!!

K, more later.

[RayFrost]

oh, and I've played with cojin before.

[RayFrost]

oh, and

unvote

the panacea case is terrible.

pan is obv town to me.

the being helpful bit from pan is probably something she learned from me (I'm her idol ), so it's hardly a scumtell (especially since I did it as town... ).

And the lack of taking a stance between the RVS and the RQS is something I'll let pan respond to.

Her careful attitude is hardly scummy, considering that 1) she should be careful, as being careful stops stupid mistakes, 2) carefulness isn't scummy without specific logic to support it (such as this person is being really careful in what they say in order to avoid stepping on any toes, obv scum!!!!foenw!!!), and this case lacks any specific logic to support worrying about the number of votes somebody is away from a lynch being a scumtell (ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THIS IS A MAJOR WORRY ACROSS ALL NEWBIE GAMES).

And I am actually the most experienced player here (by # of games and probably # of posts, too, considering BaB[oon] is only at 1800+ posts and I'm at 6k+ posts ).

Also, Edprata's vote on pan was really scummy. But I replaced edprata, so blegh.

[Panacea]

As for withholding reasons, I find it generates more interesting reactions to give votes without reasons early game. It also subtly hints at the idea of generating a bandwagon, which is the most useful information-gathering tool town has Day 1.

Sorry guys but first and foremost I am responding to a prod, but I have and will be over the next 2 days busy with university starting again and my commitment to the frisbee club and other important societies there I will not be active but I shall try and do some reading tonight and report back asap!

You did not foresee these conflicts when you joined up?

FoS Independent John

for coordinated lurking.

FOS: Havingfitz

Even if I can marginally accept this lack-of-reason business in regards to a vote, that does not extend to FoS'es. They carry very little weight when justified; they provide none whatsoever when left to the imagination. Will you elaborate on that FoS?

According to Zachrulez, my playstyle is eccentric and erratic.

(And epic. And containing the greatest flavor ever. Case in point: post #68. )

I'm her idol.

It's true. I'm naming my firstborn after him and everything... Sure hope it's a boy...

(especially since I did it as town... ).

You going to do it as Town here, too?

Edprada

: Do you really

have nothing to hide.

? Do you really think

l[ying] back a bit and observ[ing] how this go[es] for the first days

is a good idea?

RayFrost

: Is there a difference between scummy and anti-town?