Lowell wrote:So hitero just shows up to call out those voting for monkey, after he fakeclaimed, then admitted his claim was fake. Sorry, not taking the blame for monkey being an idiot. Those strategically avoiding the whole situation (ahem, hitero) look much worse, IMO.
Firstly, it's hito. No e, no r. >.>
And this is completely wrong. You're saying 'You're calling out people who voted Monkey after he fakeclaimed' but that's just flat out wrong. You'll notice my analysis stops not as his lynch, but at him taking back his claim. You'll also notice that I am getting flak for SUPPORTING lynch all liars - so I'm certainly not calling people out for lynching Monkey-the-lying-VT.
I also don't like that you only voted for monkey after he took back his claim. You voted for monkey -
twice
- in the period of time between his JOAT claim and his recanting of the claim. This is what I am giving you scum points for.
Nikanor [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2132002#2132002]622[/url] wrote:hito wrote:Despite what Nik may tell you, you do not get town points staying OFF the wagon of a fakeclaimer. Look at this case. There are literally two living players who were not on the Monkey wagon. It's not like this lynch was something only scum would support.
I wasn't giving you town points. I was giving you scum points. Try to pay attention. You were technically on the Monkey wagon anyway.
No, you're giving me an honorary position on the Monkey wagon, remember? I'm saying 'it's not a scummy thing to be on Monkey's wagon, even though Nikanor's posts are stating something to that effect."
>WIFOM ALERT!<
The current site meta would mean that Monkey would be absolutely eaten alive for going back on a PR claim. So much so that the fact is that if he was scum, he would not have bothered going back on the claim and would instead have waited until the next day. Make sense?
>END WIFOM<
Two big reasons why that is totally wrong. Firstly, I think we can agree that there was no incentive for Monkey to do that. So, buried in your reasoning is the idea that anyone who does something they have absolutely no incentive to do, regardless of alignment, must be town. It boils down to the idea that 'all idiots are town', which is obviously false.
Secondly, while you did warn of a WIFOM alert, that doesn't make it any less true. The instant you incentive anti-town behavior, it becomes effective, at least at the margins. This can be expanded to the idea that
the very fact that you're willing to call someone town for an incentive-less lie is proof positive that there is incentive for scum to lie
.
The very point of Lynch all Liars is to make sure that as few townies tell pointless lies as possible. Monkey isn't a sign that we need to adjust the meta, he's just a sign that we need to drill it into every person's head NOT TO POINTLESSLY LIE.
Preview-edit: Yeah Reck is on my wavelength. Awesome.
Though, Reck, it's worth noting that if you count me as a member of the Monkey wagon (I would have voted him, you can be damn sure) there are really only two people alive who WEREN'T on the Monkey wagon. So your point is true but kinda moot.
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