Open 194- Vengeful Reasons- GAME OVER!

[The Tracker]

Ha...good game, Town. Yeah, I realized I was dropping massive cop vibes but I figured if we could get one scum lynched I did my job. That's why I pushed so hard for MR's lynch earlier on. Hm...in hindsight I would have been more useful had I been less vocal probably, but you know...

[nessarae56]

Its still ethically a bit dodgy. Best to play your own game.

ahh i did play my game he showed me the rope's when i satred and told me the rule's i needed to know to keep out of trouble. and mostly all the role there are in game and what they did so i understood i was here as replacement and didn't understand too weel when i started oit he help alot to help even told me how to find tell's

[The Tracker]

Its still ethically a bit dodgy. Best to play your own game.

[EmpTyger]

Thanks all and mod for the game.

I need to remember (yet again) not to second-guess myself. Also, it feels refreshing to have a game where the mafia were simply the liars and the lurkers.

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Jack:

Good job guys, but you should have given reasons for your tells. Finding scum without logic is like making a lucky guess. It isn't much to be proud of.

I realize and admit I was being kind of obstinate at the end. But know that I hadn’t completely decided between you and HH at that point. It wasn’t that I didn’t have logic- it was that I cared more about seeing what yours and HH’s logic were. Despite my confidence in Budja, I didn’t really lose anything in preparing for a potential D3 by taking a closer look at you and HH.

Or to put it another way- you needed to not only look at what I wasn’t providing, but then compare it to any logic of anyone else.

Also, you did play D1 very well. The only way I really saw you as mafia was as Budja’s partner. In the end, when D2 didn’t really give me anything conclusive, that’s what I went back to. Of course, then the N2 nightkill made it moot anyhow.

nessarae:
I don’t mean to be too condescending, but you did have a huge luxury this game- being confirmed innocent. You won’t always have that. You clearly made good deductions, but in most mafia games you’ll need to be able to persuade it to others.

evilsnail:
Good job pulling the wool over at least 1 townsperson’s eyes. I don’t think you deserve this loss as much as MR.

HH:
Likewise, I don’t think you deserve the loss as much as Cat. (Incidentally, mafia could talk during the day? I actually missed that in the role PM. That makes Cat’s lone attempt at defense even more illegitimate.)

I was surprised that Jack died- I didn’t really see any indication of nessarae voting me, and I certainly wasn’t voting her. It seemed like your only chance was to hope to capitalize on what happened D2 between Jack and me. Though I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong- just a bit of a gambit. But regardless of your nightchoice, I think you have to start off D3 more proactively. When I realized I was going V/LA, I was worried I’d get back too late.

When did you realize Tracker was the cop?

Tracker:
Mafia fakeclaim to save their own neck as well as to expose the cop. It’s a tricky balance to prevent both of those. Good try nonetheless, although I doubt if you counterclaimed cop at the start of D2, anyone would have believed evilsnail over you.

Budja:
The problem was, your burnout happened to coincide with the mafia’s imploding. With everything else- I really couldn’t ignore Occam’s Razor here. I’m glad there was a margin of error to lynch you. For all the safety play, I was actually really expecting the game to end with your lynch.

DeathNote:
The main thing was the “surprise” of mafia being able to daytalk- I didn’t expect that from the Open description in the queue, though my fault for not reading the roles in-thread more closely, I guess.

The only other thing I might have thought about was calling the game a town game when all of the mafia required replacement. But that’s hardly usual practice, so no problem with how you handled it.

[HackerHuck]

HH:
Likewise, I don’t think you deserve the loss as much as Cat. (Incidentally, mafia could talk during the day? I actually missed that in the role PM. That makes Cat’s lone attempt at defense even more illegitimate.)

I was surprised that Jack died- I didn’t really see any indication of nessarae voting me, and I certainly wasn’t voting her. It seemed like your only chance was to hope to capitalize on what happened D2 between Jack and me. Though I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong- just a bit of a gambit. But regardless of your nightchoice, I think you have to start off D3 more proactively. When I realized I was going V/LA, I was worried I’d get back too late.

When did you realize Tracker was the cop?

Yeah, the timing was bad on night and day 3 start. I didn't have much time to review the thread to try and build a case on it, so I thought I would take advantage of the extra time from your V/LA. I really didn't expect that nessarae would have made her mind up already. I also had assumed that you wouldn't be voting for Jackabomb, so it seemed like you would be voting for me regardless of whom I killed. I hadn't tried looking for the cop until my blunder with Tracker. Someone mentioned that Tracker kept on MS/Elvis even after the original claim, so I took a closer look at him and figured out the he had to be the cop.

[The Tracker]

I was kind of thinking of that, but basically I was thinking along the lines of I was still using my role to hit scum and I believed the players could function reasonably well without me.

[Budja]

Yeah, I don't fault you for attacking me Emp. I realised that I looked pretty scummy.

[HackerHuck]

DeathNote:
The main thing was the “surprise” of mafia being able to daytalk- I didn’t expect that from the Open description in the queue, though my fault for not reading the roles in-thread more closely, I guess.

I think that the daytalk would not have had a strong impact one way or the other in a game this size, but we certainly didn't have a real chance to use it effectively. I did cringe during my readthrough when either cat or MS mention daytalking, but no one seemed to pick up on it.

I really liked the setup, because there is pressure on both sides out of the gate to get things right. It kind of reminded me of the old newbie game setup.

[nessarae56]

Over all I would like to thank u all for a good first game i really enjoyed it and good luck to all of u guys in your other games

[MeMe]

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