Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

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Read later.

I warded Dramonic.
I heard Noise.

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Okay, so, after reading through this, I really don't think it needs to be repeated:

But, Ani, what the hell? You picked a worthless action, an even

more

hindering insanity. And expect us to keep you around? I honestly, didn't think anyone would ever, excuse me for saying it, but be dumb enough to send in Launder on N0.

Dramonic, Sajin nailed you on a "slip". Response?

I saw Wicked was keeping a spread of noises, and wards. Good stuff there, helped out a lot in the original. Led to a flawless town victory. So, keep it up, and if you want anyone else to take it over. Just shout at me, I have a spread made for this game.

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I've seen Day 1 scum do stupid claims before.

Cults of Darkness and Shadow anybody? One scum came out and invented a role even though it was a semi-open set up with all roles detailed.

Guys, I'm the Elder Cultist. you probably shouldn't lynch me.

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Yeah, Sly and Semi have the right idea on using the occult books.

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I give up. I stalked Adel.

Reasoning:

Adel is a good player -> What if he's cult -> If he is we're all screwed.

Liars Get Lynched?

Semi, thoughts? Since I know we're about to butt head on this.

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Can somebody who has time edit our ward/noise list to show those who heard noise but did not ward?

Yeah, I'll do it in a few moments. Give me time to get settled, I just got home. I got to fill in my spread anyways.

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@Chaco (and animorpherz1 too I guess)
That explanation makes a lot more sense than laundering (but only because any explanation would make more sense than laundering). If he did stalk, then he MUST be town currently. I am still not certain of his honesty now though.

Obviously, yeah. Laundering would be stupid. So, if Adel gets killed, kill Ani? But for today leave him alone?

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Just woke up. Yeah, so, thanks Elibereth for taking over what I promised I'd do. Instead of sleeping...Anyways:

@Semi far Earlier: It was meant if Adel was town. Would you want to lynch Ani, and how would it make it different if Adel flipped scum?

That being said, I do not support Ani being lynched today.

Nth Dram robbing grave.

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Have him test it on himself, on Sly sly gives him a different perspective. If he does it on himself, I believe it gives him a lot more pressure to tell the truth. If he's not lying, he's got nothing to worry about, but not on SlySly.

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If he's saying it's successful, I see no reason not to test it now.

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The last one would be true, then.

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Test time.

Vote: Ani

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Unvote

And now we wait.

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Alright then, now that we know he's telling the truth. I also support him grave robbing, and

only

robbing.

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Actually a really smart move Adel, I agree.

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Unthinkable town nominating his insanities, aside from psychopathy, is a bit
much.

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Stupid phone.

*I think

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Sly, I agree the need will arise for others to rob graves. But we will have more because I presume at least 2 murderers. I don't see people played in Stars 1, starting out as murderer though.

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Sup Texas Justice, this was brought up in Stars 1.

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Wasn't brought up on D1.

Only one was left alive at the time, maybe two, so yeah naturally.

We were closer to a win without having to rely on a theoretical chance.

Semi can further clarify as he was an active force through the entirety.

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I dont think it will work honestly, since it was brought up in Stars 1. Percy, naturally, would go about fixing that. Oh and it would induce chaos?

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That's right, my bad.

Still, Im kinda siding with Sly here.

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Cult can't become murderers, Seacore.

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Chaco, why did you ward dramonic?

Heh, I was waiting for this question. So, in Stars 1 Dram immediately went for Murderer. It seems Dram-ish. In this game, I thought he would not go down the same path since he utterly failed last time. All murderers did. I expected people to meta Dramonic, and maybe stalk him so I warded him.

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Also, catching up more in a bit. I read the last page only. <.<

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SlySly is almost certainly scum if the two modkills he just requested are town. For one, that (= what SlySly just did) is a very dastardly thing to do. Second, there is no indication that either party was discussing this game per se until Vi transparently indicated as much. If anyone is violating the spirit of that rule, it is the party who inappropriately contextualized the conversation IMO.

If they're breaking the rule, mod kill them. Percy made it quite clear that there would be no warnings.

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If people read the other game and noticed dram failed and that all the murderers had a hard time, why would they even try to become murderers?

I doubt people read it really, so I expected some to target Dram. Simple as that.

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If people read the other game and noticed dram failed and that all the murderers had a hard time, why would they even try to become murderers?

I doubt people read it really, so I expected some to target Dram. Simple as that.

I don't get why you thought he would be a likely target though. For murderers? For cult?

Murder-Vig.

It's Dramonic, everyone suspects Dramonic in a game like this as third party. I can see him getting wrongfully vigged in the beginning, so I warded him.

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ATTENTION EVERYONE:

murder =/= vig

I'm said murder-vig, because there is no real vig in this game. It is treated as a murder, so yes...murder=vig.

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Mhm, you can murder without becoming a murderer. All lies in insanity.

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Could Chaco be lying? Warding Dram seems weird, ESPECIALLY with the reasons he gives.

Why? And what reason would I have to lie? It's easy to check, someone can use Occult Books on me. I welcome it.

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Seriously though, if anyone commits a murder, I will lynch you.

If anyone commits a murder? How flawed is your logic? I could ONLY kill Dramonic. Have someone use occult books, and stop being impulsive.

HoS

Impulsion will get you no where in this game.

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It's Dramonic, everyone suspects Dramonic in a game like this as third party. I can see him getting wrongfully vigged in the beginning, so I warded him.

Question is, how would you know he'd be WRONGLY vig'ed? How would you know that he won't play the third party card again? Personally, I'd be more than happy to let him hang, unless, of course, he was my buddy.

It's absurd, therefore, it's not true, or at the very least, anti-town.

A matter of opinion, you argue as if our opinions are the same. You can prove I'm not lying. How is it anti-town?

Logic here is severely flawed.

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Your assuming, with only meta behind. And Elvis wants to lynch

me

is

anyone

gets murdered. That add up in the slightest? If it does, by all means, please let me know. I wanna be the first.

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LOL what Goofball?

Effect: You may choose the Commune Night Action.
Destroyed when: Commune discovers someone more Insane than you are.

And gotcha Elvis, seemed broad.

Other things wrong with your argument Drip:

I couldn't ward if I were cult.
You can check my insanity with occult books.

I'd say that vote is as baseless as it gets.

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Seriously though, if

anyone

commits a murder,

I will lynch you

.

Was this not clear?

Whoever commits a murder gets lynched.

NOT

"If any player in the game commits a murder we lynch chaco."

Not that clear at all.

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Not that clear at all.

Very poorly worded, but there is no way she meant what you imply that she meant with your literal interpretation of what she said.

There was no other text to get the intention clear, not until clarification.

Anything else?

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Elli's is a less riskier version, as well as less reward though. I don't oppose, but I don't really support it either. I'm indifferent, do it if you want.

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So you cleared your mind, and pointed at the screen?

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And...? I told you to check using Occult Books. Are you that fucking dense?

I guess it's obvious I need to die, since I'm so obv scum for warding Dramonic. Then it can be EASILY proved that I did. Honestly amazed.

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Love how you don't respond afterwards. So are we clear now that Occult Books have a purpose? *thumbs up*

Moving on, I'm gonna reread in a bit.

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Lack of scumhunting and inflation of pages is directly due to unneeded discussion of game breaking.

That and misunderstanding actions, I might add.

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Hey, how many peole do you think I can beat on at a time, here? I was getting to you.

How is occult books going to help me figure out if you're scum considering I don't have them, and they can only tell me if your insanity is higher than mine?

I do not know what you have going on. You could be a cultist who crafted fetish of dram and then will pass it to him to give him an insanity. You won't get an insanity. You would only get an insanity from performing the ritual. And by the time I f-ing get occult books and check you, you could be like, "oh, I must have been passed a fetish from the cult. I'm still not scum!" Meanwhile I will get an insanity from checking you with the books.

So yeah. I don't like your plan.

Occult Books are the entire purpose here, how can you not understand. Two problems here, to pass a fetish you get an insanity. To participate in the ritual you gain an insanity, and I think they will do a greater ritual tonight so mainly ALL cultists will have an insanity.

So yeah, whether or not you like it or not it's right. And by the way, a better lie would've been back to back warding. Just FYI.

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Also, it doesn't mean

you

have to check me, someone who has books can. You're making a mountain of a mole hill.

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Twitchy can also be disproven VERY easily, by forcing them not to twitch when voting once. Easy as that.

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Chaco, I think you're misunderstanding Pass Fetish. Pass Fetish is a way that Cult can give Investigators insanities. The intent of Insanities is that it's a cipher for anti-town behavior, so Cult can manufacture that appearance by freaking people out by giving them little voodoo dolls.

No, I understand pass fetish.

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Two problems here, to pass a fetish you get an insanity.

Only the target of Pass Fetish receives an insanity. The cultist doesn't receive an insanity. Your syntax implies the opposite a bit, so that's what concerned me.

I've got old rules on the brain, oops. That is my bad.

Understand now though.

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The above rings somewhat false for me for a certain reason.

(Seacore iso read.)

I skimmed his ISO what specific things brought you to that conclusion?

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Catching up on the last 5 pages in a bit.

Trying to cut my posting down some due to those still trying to catch up.

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I do not see the buddying either.

Full out ISO on Friday Night-Saturday Morning. Meaning every player! Whoo!

And a simple reread tonight.

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Ehhh, screw the reread for now. ISOing Nico.

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Essential view of Nico:



He attacks Semi with poor, poor meaning and clumps him with Vikingfan. Not only do I not see the connection but it seems like a definite odd vote at the time. Plus, that's about all he's done.

Incant: Nicodemus

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Hmm. Re-read after hours.

ISOing Nico shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah it was like 7-9 posts only.

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Errggh, I mean *

Vote: Nicodemus

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@Percy: Sorry for being inactive, but I'm declaring V/LA until Friday, A bit overwhelmed at the moment.

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@Percy: Sorry for being inactive, but I'm declaring V/LA until Friday, A bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Can you please announce if you rezzed anyone? I don't want to wait 3 days for one player.

Did not res anyone.

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I killed Start. I have two insanities: Taboo Launder and Twitchy.

Vote: Ani

Insanity Infraction

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I killed Start. I have two insanities: Taboo Launder and Twitchy.

Vote: Ani

???? explain this please? VERY quickly. Start is not dead according to Percy.

Oh ok...did not see the OP. I would like to know your reasoning for doing so. How do we know you are town still and not a murderer/cultist?

I wish we knew if star was cultist or murderer. 3 insanities could mean either one.

I chose the insanities I did because they are easily checked up on. If I was a murderer I would not want to be bloody, so I tabooed launder. And twitchy is the most easily checked up on.

Also, was getting terrible vibes from Start. Seemed to be right about them.

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EBWOP: Caught bloody.

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I saw Magua on earlier today.

He's lurking.

Can we refrain from this sort of thing please? ?It only makes you look like a stalker, if he's lurking he's about to get prodded.

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And on Kunk's claiming Taboo: Launder. I can see it easily used for a murderer, however, I believe they would take all other concealable insanities before revealing them. It's a much easier process than explaining each day.

And Eli is right, we are all murderers. That however, differentiates in our sanity.

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At the waste of a day of stalking/murdering. Considering that you need to:
-Be the only murder alive
-Have at least 2 murders
-Have more murders than any dead murderer

I think that a murderer wouldn't be wasting a day on laundering, so the benefit of not having a visible insanity is worth the risk of possibly being checked by a forensic kit.

I thought it was 3 murders? Using memory so its probably inaccurate. Checking in a moment.

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Yep was right, 2 murders

before

your game winning murder.

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I don't think there's any worry of that. Today is the Ninth.

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@Percy: What happens if you have Taboo: Launder and fail to submit an action?

Just wondering. Rereading the day soon.

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Nope, only res'ing.

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I dunno, Viking. I don't see that happenin. Murderer is an extraordinarily hard path so wasting even one night would be bad for them. Also, there's no point in them not trying to kill because even if they don't succeed

that night

it's still one less res kit. So I don't think that's the complete case.

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Vote: Slysy

Definitely smelling some bullshit.

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Now that I know the history between sly and dgb, that exchange makes better sense. Sly, however...well, everything he's said since his initial confession has smelled of lies.

Fail. If I was going to lie, I would have lied about my insanities. It's not like I was under any pressure to bring forth this info. I was trying to give EK's chart the best chance of helping the town. Knee jerk lynching of non-threats hardly seems the best route to a town win, but whatever.

Or to make yourself seem more credible before your slapped with occult books.

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And we don't know you didn't.

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I love how you think it's a tell since I warded Dramonic. It's really funny actually.

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Why do I need to grave rob exactly? Just asking.

And agreed, yeah. But I thought you meant it as a scumtell like beginning of the game did.

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Going through and rereading, doing what iLord did. Tomorrow though.

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@animorpherv1, evilsnail, kunkstar7, Magua, SlySly, Wickedestjr:

Where do you think your votes will be falling today?

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Chaco, did you finish your reread?

I'm a little less than halfway at the moment.