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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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Just because something is common or uncommon is not a logical reason for something to be scummy or not scummy. There are things that are scummy that happen quite frequently, and things that are townish that are quite rare. Lurking, for example, is a frequent scum tactic. Likewise, having made an argument in a previous game does not make you less scummy in this game.Netopalis wrote:Monkey: The reverse, actually, if you read that. I hate all random votes, but random votes which are the only vote on that player are excusable because they are so common.
You can feel free to suspect me for this. I honestly could care less. I've been lynched for it before, but I'm not going to change my playstyle to appear more townie, since that's what scum players do, and since I don't want to ring any false bells based on that. I can link to at least 3-4 games in which I make these same arguments as town, and if you check my Wiki page (Last updated November 2009, I really need to update), I emphasize the same sentiments.
This was absolutely a terrible defence post and I recommend more votes on you with quick haste.-
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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Fair enough. You can think that. It's something that I say repeatedly, though, and I think that most people who say that they feel with some certainty that somebody is scummy within the first 4 pages is lying in an attempt to look more pro-town, regardless of their alignment. There is simply not enough information on which to base a solid, logical and cohesive case. This is slowly changing, but prior to this discussion, there was absolutely nothing to work with.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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That second sentence is a mush. It should be:
"...and I think that anybody who says with any amount of certainty that a specific player is scummy within the first 4 pages is lying in an attempt to look pro-town, regardless of their actual alignment."My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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Incidentally, just for a bit of added value, I'm leaning town on Sakako right now. His play is consistent with the newbie town profile at this point. That being said, I'm going to sleep on it and think about it some more.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Espeonage anySurvivorany
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And what the hell was that?MonkeyMan576 wrote: This was absolutely a terrible defence post and I recommend more votes on you with quick haste.
Seriously, it is almost as if you are requesting people to settle on the neto lynch pronto without any furthur discussion when we have over a fortnight left in this phase. We are barely out of the RVS and you already want a lynch.
I said I had nowhere to place a vote. Well now I do.
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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I didn't say I wanted a lynch. I said based on his lousy defeece I've got a strong scum read on him. Thats different that wanting an immediate lynch.Espeonage wrote:
And what the hell was that?MonkeyMan576 wrote: This was absolutely a terrible defence post and I recommend more votes on you with quick haste.
Seriously, it is almost as if you are requesting people to settle on the neto lynch pronto without any furthur discussion when we have over a fortnight left in this phase. We are barely out of the RVS and you already want a lynch.
I said I had nowhere to place a vote. Well now I do.
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@DRK: Here's how I think it could work:
1. Find some pithy little case on someone
2. Repeatedly word the question about that case in a different manner in an attempt to cause them to contradict themselves
3. Use that contradiction as a major scum-tell
4. Lynch a townsperson.
That's why I think it's a trap.
@Reck: I don't actually know how many votes people have got on whom (and I know, I should look after this) - but if you're counting me voting to put someone at L-4 (yes, count it, L-4 - I don't really think that's pressuring or anythng at all) then I think you have a very flimsy case.-
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xRECKONERx GD is my Best Man
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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I'm not exactly sure what you find scummy about it, nor how exactly my defense was lousy and/or what you would consider to be strong evidence in a defense. It seems as if your whole point in asking the question to begin with was to ask me a question in which any defense would appear to be weak, allowing you to attack me, which is convenient as I already have the most votes.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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Reckoner: I don't think so, at least, not at this stage of the game. I think that Monkey is the more likely of the two, but I don't see a lot of connection between them, nor do I see obvious distancing.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Random Player X and Random Player Y are a potential scumteam(as long as its not me). Discuss.xRECKONERx wrote:Monkey and Sakako are a potential scumteam.
Discuss.MonkeyMan576 wrote: This was absolutely a terrible defence post and I recommend more votes on you with quick haste.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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Possible. I'd say it's unlikely at this point. The possible deflection by Monkey was in fact noted though.Reckoner wrote: Monkey and Sakako are a potential scumteam.
Discuss.
If we assume 3 scum, this is trivially true.Monkey wrote: Random Player X and Random Player Y are a potential scumteam(as long as its not me). Discuss.
You suddenly seem very sure of this. Why?Sakako wrote: @DRK: Here's how I think it could work:
1. Find some pithy little case on someone
2. Repeatedly word the question about that case in a different manner in an attempt to cause them to contradict themselves
3. Use that contradiction as a major scum-tell
4. Lynch a townsperson.
That's why I think it's a trap.-
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Sakako Goon
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I'm not sure it's a trap. I just think it could be. Why? Because I've fallen for similar tactics (although I'm pretty sure that the person already knew I was scum and was just getting me lynched; it's a handy tool for pro-town players aswell but only if they're 100% sure that the trap-ee is scum already. I don't see that happening in this case.)-
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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Your analogy is flawed. The reason that was able to work was because you were scum and had presumably slipped up elsewhere. I also think it's marginally scummy that this is the example that you're choosing to hinge things on - it indicates (at least to me) the approach of the game from a perspective of not getting lynched vs. finding scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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Sakako Goon
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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Netopalis Mafia Scum
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Really? That's an odd approach, especially since it doesn't really seem like I need saving. In fact, it seems like your last post is an appeal to emotion for me to drop the case against you.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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