Mini 907: Tech Tree Mafia (End Game)

[Chaco]

Don't post what it said if it's anything terribly important, if not, by all means.

No note here, by the way.

[Netopalis]

No note.

Chaco: You would have been lynched yesterday if not for the deadline. Why don't you start us out with a few choice suspicions? Please remember that (in my mind, at least) you are the default lynch today - that means that you should be trying extra-hard to justify your continued existence in this game. Good suspicions, good reasoning and good responses are a must.

[MafiaSSK]

Vote Chaco

[Chaco]

Actually to start, let's flip that on it's head. Yesterday, I was almost lynched due to minor suspicioun and panicking. I really had nothing to defend against and on top of that was my V/LA. So if you would, start out by giving me something to defend against, and then we'll work from there.

[MafiaSSK]

[quote="Chaco"]Actually to start, let's flip that on it's head. Yesterday, I was almost lynched due to minor suspicioun and panicking. I really had nothing to defend against and on top of that was my V/LA. So if you would, start out by giving me something to defend against, and then we'll work from there.[/quote
Can you defend against what you can now that youare obviously not on VLA?

[Chaco]

I need something to defend against, thank you. I wouldn't call much of anything on D1 to defend against.

[UncertainKitten]

a note? so someone sent you a note instead of inventing? that's interesting. why would that be?

Wish I knew. There are three possibilities in my mind. I don't have enough data to determine which one holds. One is very unlikely, the other two are quite probable.

I am unsure if it would be considered important. I will say I am being told to avoid lynching a certain player.

[Chaco]

That's kind of odd, especially for a not on N1.

[UncertainKitten]

That's kind of odd, especially for a not on N1.

It really is. It's a big WIFOM in my eyes.

[MafiaSSK]

a note? so someone sent you a note instead of inventing? that's interesting. why would that be?

Wish I knew. There are three possibilities in my mind. I don't have enough data to determine which one holds. One is very unlikely, the other two are quite probable.

I am unsure if it would be considered important. I will say I am being told to avoid lynching a certain player.

I think someone used the Message Sender ability.

[Pomegranate]

a note? so someone sent you a note instead of inventing? that's interesting. why would that be?

Wish I knew. There are three possibilities in my mind. I don't have enough data to determine which one holds. One is very unlikely, the other two are quite probable.

I am unsure if it would be considered important. I will say I am being told to avoid lynching a certain player.

I think someone used the Message Sender ability.

Question is whether the player is town or scum.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, that much is kinda obvious, SSK. I meant the contents of the note.

[Chaco]

There's absolutely no way that they could have a reason.

[UncertainKitten]

Question is whether the player is town or scum.

Precisely. I'm half tempted to ask for the sender to claim...but if they ARE town I'd rather not have them claim and thereby let everyone know they didn't invent last night.

[Chaco]

Could be a gambit, might be best just to treat it as null.

[MafiaSSK]

Could be a gambit, might be best just to treat it as null.

Or it could be an experiment to try and see the details of an ability. Message Sender is one of the more vague abilities availble.

[UncertainKitten]

Could be a gambit, might be best just to treat it as null.

It's what I'm leaning at the moment. Both possibilities are mutually exclusive indicators of the person's alignment, meaning we can draw nothing from it.

[zoraster]

The message may not necessarily make them town, but I have to believe that scum have every reason to want to invent every single night. I'd think that with town as well, but i think there's even more reason scum would want to avoid wasting a night on something so pointless. Lots of WIFOM though, so I think just keep it in your pocket for now no reason to out or anything.

Though I will pose this possibility: UK could be lying.

[Netopalis]

Alright, Chaco, here's a few statements for you to defend yourself against.

1) Your D1 posts are, in general, rather fluffy and look more like active lurking. In particular, your discussions over the potential roles to take is far more protracted than it should have been, and it seems almost as if you were intentionally drawing it out in order to make things take longer.

2) You've advanced only one suspicion, based on someone "tunneling on how good BP is." Admittedly, others (myself included) haven't advanced many suspicions either, but your one suspicion that you have advanced is particularly weak and doesn't exactly seem to follow logic.

3) You have been on "Recurring V/LA" since mid-Hellsing Mafia. Why did you sign up for new games if you were going to be in such limited capacity for more than 3 months?

Non-accusation questions:
1) Who do you suspect now and why? Please give complete, well-reasoned answers, as I requested initially.

2) What do you feel is your biggest asset as a Mafia player? What can you bring to the town that will help us win?

3) Why did you never unvote your random vote yesterday? You kept a meaningless vote on me for the whole day. I'm assuming that, based on the lack of reasoning, there was no reason to do this - if there was, please elaborate.

[UncertainKitten]

The message may not necessarily make them town, but I have to believe that scum have every reason to want to invent every single night. I'd think that with town as well, but i think there's even more reason scum would want to avoid wasting a night on something so pointless. Lots of WIFOM though, so I think just keep it in your pocket for now no reason to out or anything.

Though I will pose this possibility: UK could be lying.

Entirely possible. I know I'm not so I didn't consider it. This message basically seems like the most useless thing someone could have done really :S.

[Chaco]

1) No, not in the slightest I was just trying to express that there are many ways that everyone going BP was dumb.

2) Explain more, please. I don't see how you're drawing suspicion here.

3) Just didn't change my sig, I got caught up in a bunch of work. Nothing related to my sig.

1) I'll get back to you on this after rereading the threa dlater.

2) I don't really judge myself wall, and often to my own fault will admit hold myself higher than need be. So anything I say would be biased.

3) There wasn't any reasoning behind it, just didn't see the need to unvote really.

[Netopalis]

Look, the point is, all of that was a pretense to get you to post suspicions. I asked you earlier, and you refused to do so unless I posted some reasons to suspect you. I posted some reasons. You would probably say that they are nothing more than flimsy evidence. I agree. If you really need it, I suppose I can post some more flimsy evidence. The gist of my post here is that I'd like to know who you suspect and why.


UK - Nobody has reason to do that, unless the person that the note said not to lynch is the person who sent it, or unless the mafia sent it. In either case, it should be disregarded.

[Vaya]

Just quickly posting to avoid force-replacement.

I'll try to get to this game soon.

[zoraster]

vote: vaya

[Netopalis]

Wait, what? You're in this game?