Mini 889 - Shopping Frenzy (Over)

[nhammen]

Vote Count

Chinaman (4): don_johnson, CallMeLiam, PaltryExcuse, muh316
muh316 (3): julienvonwolfe, Chinaman, Adel
Albert B. Rampage (1): Debonair Danny DiPietro
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1): Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (1): Torqez

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Searching for a replacement for Torqez

I'm having problems posting. Hopefully this will not continue.

[Adel]

unvote

Albert B. Rampage (1): Debonair Danny DiPietro
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1): Albert B. Rampage

this is setting off all kinds of soft bus alarms for me.

those two players voting for each other, and hardly otherwise posting, totally doesn't make sense to me.

as town, if they honestly that the other one was scum then sparks would be flying.


is there any reason these players can't be scum together?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Soft

bus? I want him lynched.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

is there any reason these players can't be scum together?

Other than the fact that soft bussing after a correct day one lynch seems like the opposite of good strategy? And other than the fact that we can't be scum together because I'm town?

At least you two aren't voting for muh anymore.

[don_johnson]

didn't chinaman say something about muh being town? maybe i need to reread, but i don't see why we are not lynching chinaman.

[Adel]

is there any reason these players can't be scum together?

Other than the fact that soft bussing after a correct day one lynch seems like the opposite of good strategy? And other than the fact that we can't be scum together because I'm town?

At least you two aren't voting for muh anymore.

neither of you are going to get lynched when there are competing busses on potential VIs. In a debate death match either of you would mop the floor with either of them.

This way you get to be on the record as voting for each other, and not on the record as voting for someone who is proven by a lynch to be town.

[Adel]

Soft

bus? I want him lynched.

you aren't acting like it:

I will have a lot more to say after the lynch and NK.

I will have a lot more to say after the lynch and NK.

We've already had one of each of those and we're getting nothing from you so it's basically impossible to believe you.

Yes, and look how well that went. No sarcasm.

Unvote, vote DDD

GLOBAL WARMING!? Oh, you mean general warning.

[CallMeLiam]

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adel: Post 321 is where he said it

funny, 322 makes you a lot more scummy to me than 321 makes Chinaman look scummy

Funny, post 322 isn't mine. You also ignored Paltry's question in post 369. Why don't you want to say anything at all about Chinaman Adel?

Chinaman: If you self-vote then I fully expect we'd have at least one scum on the wagon: you. So feel free.

[Adel]

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adel: Post 321 is where he said it

funny, 322 makes you a lot more scummy to me than 321 makes Chinaman look scummy

Funny, post 322 isn't mine. You also ignored Paltry's question in post 369. Why don't you want to say anything at all about Chinaman Adel?

Chinaman: If you self-vote then I fully expect we'd have at least one scum on the wagon: you. So feel free.

322 isn't your post, but you are the subject of that post.

Muh, claim?

Unless you're threatening to hammer, you do not ask for a claim.

I don't have an opinion on Chinaman yet.

[Adel]

jesus christ, I just realized how many macho docs might be in this game.

vote:Chinaman

for not being a macho doc.

[Adel]

that post accidentally reads like I am soft-claiming "macho doc". To prevent future confusion, I'll go ahead and do a partial claim: I am

not

macho, nor am I a doc.

[julienvonwolfe]

So your logic could apply equally well to yourself as it could to chinaman? I'm a bit taken aback by developments. Basically, ABR and DDD decide to vote each other, Adel does an 180 on Muh's doc claim and there's two days until deadline. Huh.

Anyway, Chinaman seems to be on L-1 now. He seems to have claimed VT - is that correct, Chinaman?

[Adel]

julienvonwolfe, if you honestly want muh lynched instead of chinaman this is when you present your case.

if you are just coasting on the muh wagon so that you aren't connected to a chinaman mislynch, then do not present a case on muh.


you last real opinion on muh was

(I'm thinking he's scummy, but I'm not that sure of his alignment. I think the tells I collected are weak, and that there's not a lot he could do to refute them. It's players like these that I find provide interesting data - not from them alone, but from the way others interact with them. Perhaps it won't be useful straight away, but it will probably be useful in some way later in the game.)

and

Muh's giving me huge scum vibes.

which isn't a lot.

[julienvonwolfe]

...oh wait. I too think I believe Muh's claim now, thinking it over.

unvote

[Adel]

unvote

to prevent a premature Chinaman hammer

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julienvonwolf, you stated that Muh was giving you "huge scum vibes".

Which words of his served as the basis for those vibes? How did you arrive at the conclusion that those words reflected a scum alignment?

[Chinaman]

thanks for not lynching me early. I am on phone now.will post tomorrow when at comp

[Adel]

claim now chinaman, or die early tomorrow.

[julienvonwolfe]

Adel, I didn't like 302 and 303. 302 seems unnecessarily defensive. Its followup, 303, seems like an attempt to patch the damage. More a gut thing than anything. I also agree with DDD's 300. This in combination with my earlier questioning of him led to the 'huge scum vibes'.

[Adel]

Adel, I didn't like 302 and 303. 302 seems unnecessarily defensive. Its followup, 303, seems like an attempt to patch the damage. More a gut thing than anything. I also agree with DDD's 300. This in combination with my earlier questioning of him led to the 'huge scum vibes'.

huh

I also think a scott lynch would be better because he almost cost us a no lynch. And I think he might be activley lurking to find a way out of this slip. So that people forget about him.

Scott hasn't posted on this site in nine days and it appears he's flaked from two or three other games as well that he was in, that's some real hardcore "active lurking".

Unvote; Vote: muh316

Sorry i didnt do my research on him before saying that. I should be more careful.

And what makes that a good reason for voting me

looking back at it, I think that 303 was a good question.

And what makes that a good reason for voting me

You're not paying attention and you have no interest in actually scumhunting. Town would be paying attention and has a huge interest in scumhunting.

which doesn't quite answer the question. Why would muh voting for scott be a scumtell for muh? DDD has demonstrated that he knows how to do an activity check, but has muh? At the time DDD made his vote on muh did DDD have sufficient evidence to conclude that a town-muh would be paying more attention to this inactive game than a scum-muh would be?

And what makes that a good reason for voting me

You're not paying attention and you have no interest in actually scumhunting. Town would be paying attention and has a huge interest in scumhunting.

I also believe your not of any use to us either so is ABR and so is Chinaman. Why not vote all of them. Why not lynch them? If it was that simple nobody would ever sign up. There is no slips I've yet seen except for chinamans

Muh points out to DDD that DDD and ABR are also useless so far in the game. Note that DDD then votes for ABR in a later post, right after Muh claims. Did DDD just do that to suck up to muh? Is sucking up, as opposed to skepticism, to someone immediately following their dodgy claim a town tell or a scumtell for DDD?

And what makes that a good reason for voting me

You're not paying attention and you have no interest in actually scumhunting. Town would be paying attention and has a huge interest in scumhunting.

I also believe your not of any use to us either so is ABR and so is Chinaman. Why not vote all of them. Why not lynch them? If it was that simple nobody would ever sign up. There is no slips I've yet seen except for chinamans

Vote: Muh

because of this post. It's crap.

First of all, there have been plenty of scummy things that have happened thus far.

Secondly, I had thought it was pretty obvious that what was earlier thought of as a possible scum-slip from me was clarified thus bringing it up again to try and put doubt in about it again is scummy.

I would say that DJ is scummy as well even with the gift wrap of JL. Could be that he being JL's scum buddy decided to bus right off the bat. If muh flips scum, then I would say DJ is for sure town, but if muh flips town, I say DJ is scum due to me and muh (remember only if a town flip for muh) being on his list. I know I'm town and we will soon see a flip from muh, so if he flips town, that's 2 of the 3 players on his list that are town.

Anyway, L-1 for Muh now.

Chinaman, please list all of the scummy things that have happened in this game thus far.

[Adel]

This in combination with my earlier questioning of him led to the 'huge scum vibes'.

which earlier questioning?

What about his answers made you think that he was scum?

[Adel]

btw, despite the scum lynch on day 1, the town in this game is sucking. More information needs to be generated, more typing needs to occur, more activity is desperately needed.

[Adel]

ABR, on a scale from 1 (low) to 10 (high) what are your estimated INT, INV and ACT values for Muh, Chinaman, DDD, and julienvonwolfe?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

is there any reason these players can't be scum together?

Other than the fact that soft bussing after a correct day one lynch seems like the opposite of good strategy? And other than the fact that we can't be scum together because I'm town?

At least you two aren't voting for muh anymore.

neither of you are going to get lynched when there are competing busses on potential VIs. In a debate death match either of you would mop the floor with either of them.

This way you get to be on the record as voting for each other, and not on the record as voting for someone who is proven by a lynch to be town.

Reasonable theory, wrong, but reasonable. I'd disagree about it being optimal strategy as well. With a weak town like this there would be no need for me to really fear being on a mislynch especially on day two because my cred from being on the day one lynch would carry weight and my mad "debate death match" skillz and making sure there was a mislynch on day two would be my first priority.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

ABR, on a scale from 1 (low) to 10 (high) what are your estimated INT, INV and ACT values for Muh, Chinaman, DDD, and julienvonwolfe?

What is INV, I can figure out the other two, but INV eludes me just based on the shorthand.

[CallMeLiam]

Adel, care to fill us all in on what INT INV and ACT mean?