Mini #893 - Dollhouse Mafia (Game Over!)

[elvis_knits]

I'm just trying to think what scum would want to do. If buttonmen is scum, does he want more people (town) to get imprints so that if he gets a NK he can use it and not be the only suspect? Or does he just want to stick with only himself being imprinted because if town people get imprinted, the risk to himself and the rest of his team is greater?

I'm toying with the idea of Limerick being a patsy in this case, but not sure the risk>reward.

[Socrates]

I don't have much time to write a long post, but one note:

Would scum ever be so bold as to quick hammer an imprint on their buddy? No.

[elvis_knits]

I think in some circumstances, maybe they would.

So you think I'm being paranoid?

[Limerickx]

Actually E_K, I worried about the same things as you at first, but after thinking about it, I don't see the risk/reward benefit for 2 scum to quick hammer an imprint on me. Any benefit that could be had from 'setting me up' by casting suspicion on me with two quick votes is reduced by the potential harm that whatever my imprint is can make, so I hope.

[SerialClergyman]

I totally disagree scum wouldn't quick hammer a soon to be imprinted buddy.

I'm going to vote no lynch within a few hours so we can move this game along. Any objections?

[farside22]

So we just had two player imprint limerick in two posts with no reasoning greater than "I get a town read" and "I'm going to imprint hammer him."

I'm really uncomfortable with that.

This. Though, I get the strange feeling that if Lim is scum, scum were on his imprint wagon early on... if he's town, scum might've hammered.

What? How do you even come to this conclusion?

[farside22]

I'm just trying to think what scum would want to do. If buttonmen is scum, does he want more people (town) to get imprints so that if he gets a NK he can use it and not be the only suspect? Or does he just want to stick with only himself being imprinted because if town people get imprinted, the risk to himself and the rest of his team is greater?

I'm toying with the idea of Limerick being a patsy in this case, but not sure the risk>reward.

If there is a kill there are 2 players to look at. As buttonman already expressed an interest in "vigging" SC I would be looking more closely at him.
But saying this doesn't give anyone *cough* limerick a free pass if there is a death tonight.

@SC: I'm done with my thoughts but I like my vote where it stands I hope someone gets an investigation and gives us information.

[Pug89]

You seem more focused on getting a certain number than imprinting according to people you are sure are town. Is that unclear? I am okay with people wanting to imprint more because they think certain players are town. I just think you should be imprinting because you think a person is town and not because you think more people in general should have imprints.

I've always wanted to imprint more than 1 player, but I wouldn't have voted to imprint him if I didn't think he was town and Buttonmen and limerickx are the two players I have the strongest town reads on at this point.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #34=-

No Lynch (4) - Montana, Iowa, Hawaii, Ohio
Iowa (1) - Kansas

Not Voting (5) - Alaska, Georgia, Florida, Colorado, Virginia

6 to lynch.

-=Imprint Count #34=-

Hawaii (6) - Hawaii, Kansas, Ohio, Florida, Montana, Iowa
Florida (6) - Florida, Ohio, Kansas, Colorado, Montana, Hawaii

Montana (3) - Alaska, Iowa, Montana
Georgia (3) - Iowa, Georgia, Ohio
Virginia (2) - Iowa, Alaska
Ohio (1) - Ohio
Iowa (1) - Iowa
Kansas (1) - Alaska
Alaska (1) - Georgia
Colorado (1) - Colorado

6 to imprint.

ALASKA = SerialClergyman
COLORADO = CrashTextDummie
FLORIDA = Limerickx
GEORGIA = Socrates
HAWAII = TheButtonmen
IOWA = xRECKONERx
KANSAS = farside22
MONTANA = Pug89
OHIO = Knight of Cydonia
VIRGINIA = elvis_knits

Florida has received a majority of imprint votes. These votes are now locked in, and Florida will receive an imprint at the end of the day.

[xRECKONERx]

Ya, let's no lynch, 2 is enough.

[Limerickx]

If there is a kill there are 2 players to look at. As buttonman already expressed an interest in "vigging" SC I would be looking more closely at him.
But saying this doesn't give anyone *cough* limerick a free pass if there is a death tonight.

Fair enough, I have ZERO intention of using a kill if I were to get one.

Vote: No Lynch

[Socrates]

Maybe I was speaking a bit absolutist, and when I think about it, I can think of a whole bunch of gambits that they can pull if Limerickx and Button are scum, but when in doubt, I assume conservative scum.

Bleh. I want to say there are scum within the people who have supported suddenly with little reasoning regardless of Limrickx's alignment based on prior experience, but there is also the mitigating factor that this day seems to be dragging without a lynch in sight, and I can see townies getting impatient.

I am ready to end this day. I will continue working on my read during night.

I still want Knight of Cydonia lynched and I would request that any investigations are directed towards him, and RECK's return from VLA has not inspired me in the least.

Is there anything that needs to be discussed before the day is ended?

[elvis_knits]

So, nobody has mentioned this...

If we're not happy with the way imprints happen, we can always decide to lynch a person to prevent them being imprinted.

I'm not sure I want to go that far at this point.

One reason I'm not sure if I want to do this is because I really like the plan we have going on of "lynch and wait to see the flip before imprinting, then imprint and no-lynch the next day." And throwing a lynch on at this point gums up the works.

I am still not comfortable with the last two imprint votes coming in two back-to-back posts. I guess it's possible that people are just geting impatient, like socrates said.

[elvis_knits]

-=Imprint Count #34=-

Hawaii (buttonmen)(6) - Hawaii(buttonmen), Kansas(farside), Ohio (KoC), Florida(limerick), Montana(pug), Iowa(reck)
Florida (limerick) (6) - Florida(limerick), Ohio(Koc), Kansas(farside), Colorado(CTD), Montana(pug), Hawaii(buttonmen)[

Of the six people voting for each imprint, we have 5 people occurring on each one:

buttonmen, limerick, KoC, farside, pug

That's pretty interesting that the lists are almost exactly the same.

[farside22]

So, nobody has mentioned this...

If we're not happy with the way imprints happen, we can always decide to lynch a person to prevent them being imprinted.

I'm not sure I want to go that far at this point.

One reason I'm not sure if I want to do this is because I really like the plan we have going on of "lynch and wait to see the flip before imprinting, then imprint and no-lynch the next day." And throwing a lynch on at this point gums up the works.

I am still not comfortable with the last two imprint votes coming in two back-to-back posts. I guess it's possible that people are just geting impatient, like socrates said.

I have serious doubts that both people imprinter are scum. I don't get a scum read from limerick.
buttonman's wishy washy attitude and desire to shot someone doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy but there is only one person I feel scum and he is the only person I would lynch today.
You could just be nervous scum trying to make this proposal to get a townie lynched for all I know. I still see you and reck scum partners so your not exactly a ring endorsment.

[SerialClergyman]

farside is almost certainly town. I imprinted her and declared her town 5 pages ago and she has not gotten a single imprint since. If she and two scum buddies ignored that gift then she's got amazing self-control.

So now that's clear, farside should convince herself elvis is town and we'll have a scumbusting trio of awesome.

True story.

[farside22]

farside is almost certainly town. I imprinted her and declared her town 5 pages ago and she has not gotten a single imprint since. If she and two scum buddies ignored that gift then she's got amazing self-control.

So now that's clear, farside should convince herself elvis is town and we'll have a scumbusting trio of awesome.

True story.

If EK actually paid attention to Reck case instead of making saractic comments and proposing people we imprinted may be lynched I would think differently of her.

[elvis_knits]

farside is almost certainly town. I imprinted her and declared her town 5 pages ago and she has not gotten a single imprint since. If she and two scum buddies ignored that gift then she's got amazing self-control.

So now that's clear, farside should convince herself elvis is town and we'll have a scumbusting trio of awesome.

True story.

If EK actually paid attention to Reck case instead of making saractic comments and proposing people we imprinted may be lynched I would think differently of her.

Hey farside, I said reckoner was scum too.

Reckoner -
1)Wanting imprints before lynches
2)Going with the popular wagons
3)Asking about situation of town getting a vig imprint - setting up a mafia able to make a kill and then claim town vig
4)Saying SC's DNvote was on OBVbus, (which is what VMD said too), as well as other links to VMD (who I also think is scummy)
5)Said farside was "digging herself a hole" which sounds to me like he thinks she is town making herself look bad

[elvis_knits]

I'm also not making sarcastic comments...

[elvis_knits]

-=Imprint Count #34=-

Hawaii (buttonmen)(6) - Hawaii(buttonmen), Kansas(farside), Ohio (KoC), Florida(limerick), Montana(pug), Iowa(reck)
Florida (limerick) (6) - Florida(limerick), Ohio(Koc), Kansas(farside), Colorado(CTD), Montana(pug), Hawaii(buttonmen)[

Of the six people voting for each imprint, we have 5 people occurring on each one:

buttonmen, limerick, KoC, farside, pug

That's pretty interesting that the lists are almost exactly the same.

Also, if I'm just being paranoid, and buttonmen and limerick are both town, I would expect the wagons to be all or mostly town.

[farside22]

I'm also not making sarcastic comments...

The funny thing about the farside-reck business is that farside also made a dubious switch to starbuck, IMO.

Sorry I had forgotten your comments about Reck. I think it's the lack of vote on it that throws me off.

[elvis_knits]

I didn't vote him because I thought we were no-lynching. That's all.

[farside22]

-=Imprint Count #34=-

Hawaii (buttonmen)(6) - Hawaii(buttonmen), Kansas(farside), Ohio (KoC), Florida(limerick), Montana(pug), Iowa(reck)
Florida (limerick) (6) - Florida(limerick), Ohio(Koc), Kansas(farside), Colorado(CTD), Montana(pug), Hawaii(buttonmen)[

Of the six people voting for each imprint, we have 5 people occurring on each one:

buttonmen, limerick, KoC, farside, pug

That's pretty interesting that the lists are almost exactly the same.

Also, if I'm just being paranoid, and buttonmen and limerick are both town, I would expect the wagons to be all or mostly town.

My problem of the 5 people I find scum only 2 of the players are on each wagon.

KOC - on both imprint wagons
reck - on buttonman
ctd (mostly do to messiah) on limerick's wagon.
Now if buttonman is scum there is the 3 scum left I can lean on more (reck/koc)
If limerick is scum then it would be KOC/CTD

If both are town then I would look at those not imprinting either
SC/EK/Soc

[farside22]

I didn't vote him because I thought we were no-lynching. That's all.

Why would you even suggest lynching someone that was imprinted then?

[elvis_knits]

I didn't vote him because I thought we were no-lynching. That's all.

Why would you even suggest lynching someone that was imprinted then?

Because I hate buttonmen...

And I don't trust him...

And I didn't like that little quickhammer imprint business.