Mini 901: Real Time Mafia (Over)

[Annachie]

12 Alive

Snow Bunny ( 0 )
DeathRowKitty ( 5 ) manho TonyMontana Juls Annachie Plumegranate
bigmc109 ( 0 )
don_johnson ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 2 ) Snow Bunny bigmc109
Flareonage ( 1 ) Bogre
Plumegranate ( 0 )
Juls ( 0 )
Bogre ( 0 )
manho ( 0 )
TonyMontana ( 0 )
Annachie ( 4 ) DeathRowKitty don_johnson Ellibereth Flareonage
No Lynch ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 12 )

With 12 alive, 7 needed to lynch.
Next Lynch Available at: January 9th 00:00 EST
Lynch Will Be: DeathRowKitty

DRK is town, Annachie is scum.
Assuming that the amount of town > scum in the neighborhood, DRK claiming and revealing his neighbors was the right thing to do. If DRK was scum, and he claimed such (when his lynch is looking already all but inevitable in face of the deadline), it would virtually confirm two members of the town after his flip.

We have 2 hours to get Annachie lynched.

Yeah clearly because I haven't self voted, called for policy lynches, retconned what I've said, changed styles etc.

I've merely stood by what Ive said and voted the most scummy, so I'm obv scum because those are such strong scum tells.

[Ellibereth]

DRK is town, Annachie is scum.
Assuming that the amount of town > scum in the neighborhood, DRK claiming and revealing his neighbors was the right thing to do. If DRK was scum, and he claimed such (when his lynch is looking already all but inevitable in face of the deadline), it would virtually confirm two members of the town after his flip.

We have 2 hours to get Annachie lynched.

Yeah clearly because I haven't self voted, called for policy lynches, retconned what I've said, changed styles etc.

I've merely stood by what Ive said and voted the most scummy, so I'm obv scum because those are such strong scum tells.

Did you meta DRK?

[Annachie]

Elli. Name one thing that I've done that is scummy.

your reasoning shouldn't make somebody look scummy, their actions should

Tell me that DRK's actions dont make him look scummy.

A scumtell is something that scum have more motivation to do than town

Tell me how trying to force a default policy lynch on a player at the very start of the game helps town more than scum.

I don't think you've ever mentioned any reason you've had for voting me except that I'm against poliy lynching and voting DRK. (and voted you as well)

[Ellibereth]

I feel no need to tell scum why they're scum.
In this next hour and a half the rest of the town will be the jury.

[Snow_Bunny]

Vote: Annachie

Why? Another reasonless wagon-jumping?

DRK is town, Annachie is scum.
Assuming that the amount of town > scum in the neighborhood, DRK claiming and revealing his neighbors was the right thing to do. If DRK was scum, and he claimed such (when his lynch is looking already all but inevitable in face of the deadline), it would virtually confirm two members of the town after his flip.

We have 2 hours to get Annachie lynched.

Again, why? What makes you think DRK is town? And what makes you think Annachie is scum?

You see, in the quick topic I found something that made me believe DRK is scum. I agree with the points brought up by Annachie, and thus:

Unvote, vote: DRK

Elli's buddying with DRK and wagon-jumping is noted as well. If DRK flips town, and taking into account something he said in the QT, I'll be looking after dj.

[DeathRowKitty]

Yea right, didn't want a policy lynch.
Btw, Plum's (I believe) was the most recent post on this retcon of yours. I've also posted your own posts calling for the policy lynch after your previous claim of not wanting one.

Would you mind explaining to me where this fits in with my post in the QT where I said I just wanted a wagon and not a lynch? Be sure to include the parts where I said I was trying to have competing wagons on me and CSL to get the game going. (Now would be a good time for Snow_Bunny to come here and back me up that I actually said all this.)

I also note that your in QT post about becoming serious and your in thread post about becomming serious, both of which didn't sound right btw, were on different days.
(QFT: "This is a serious vote." is the comment I took as becomming serious.)

It was a serious vote in the sense of not being a random vote. It was also partially to start discussion over me voting

again

and, better yet, voting for the person I was already voting for. My post in the QT referred to being completely serious.

1. Change in play style, scum tell.
2. Retcon history, scum tell.
3. Random or silly play, anti-town.
4. Trying to get a bandwagon on yourself, anti-town.
5. Not claiming, despite being at L-1 twice, anti-town.
6. Managing to vote for both your neighbours, and out them. That can't be good for the town.

(Numbered for clarity)
1. How is that scummy, especially considering I wasn't serious early on?
2. I disagree that I did that.
3. You didn't seem to have a problem with it at the time. In fact, not until I voted you.
4. I don't think it was in the particular game, but I suppose that's arguable.
5. Meh, I guess. I wanted my attackers to at least explain why some of what I did was scummy first.
6. Well I blame you guys for playing scummy enough to earn my vote for the first part. As for outing both of you, you said you didn't care what I did in terms of outing you guys. Besides, it's only bad if we're all town. If I'm scum, only town gained information from my claim.

[DeathRowKitty]

@SB
What is it I said there that makes you think I'm scum? (remember, don't quote it, just give a general idea of the post)

[Ellibereth]

DRK, since you're probably going to lose this race against time, could you make a full town/scum/parting reads list?

[DeathRowKitty]

Town reads are bad to post. I'll post a scum list if you want, but I'd prefer not to include town reads.

[Ellibereth]

Town reads are bad to post. I'll post a scum list if you want, but I'd prefer not to include town reads.

Meh, I disagree with that but scum list is fine too.

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, all I can say is that you, DRK, wanted a wagon, not a lynch, on CSL. You also wanted a wagon of yourself to compete with that of CSL. Though, what you really wanted is beyond me. Hope that clear things out. However, you can't rely on your neighbours to counter what you post in thread.

[Snow_Bunny]

DRK, could you at least claim? Or are you plain VT-neighbour?

[Flareonage]

I am so confused right now

[DeathRowKitty]

Scum Reads

Annachie

(or reasons already given)

bigmc109

(Mostly gut and meta-based reasons (I correctly called him as scum day 1 the one time I played with him, despite being initially able to point out specific posts as to why I thought he was scum. I can't really point to anything tangible as to why I think so here either.))

TonyMontana

(?) (This spot is basically a toss-up. I put him here because I find him scummier than most other players at this point who have posted enough for me to have any sort of read, not because I really think he's scum.)

@SB
I'm plain VT-neighbor. What do you think of Annachie ignoring the fact that I said I wanted a wagon, not a lynch? Also, you didn't say what from the QT you found scummy.

[Juls]

Sorry I haven't been online today...I have been dealing with a sick child. I have skimmed and given that there is 45 minutes to deadline that is all I think I will have time to do.

I do see an interesting dilemma though now that DRK has revealed his neighbors. He revealed the names of his neighbors.
a) If he is scum, he has likely confirmed two town by doing so.
b)If he is town, he has given us a probably 50/50 on the two other.

Now call me stupid but I think town would be more likely to reveal this information based on this scenario. This makes me question my vote.

Unvote, vote: Snow Bunny

Here's why:

You see, in the quick topic I found something that made me believe DRK is scum. I agree with the points brought up by Annachie, and thus:

This is vague suspicion that a townie would have no problem sharing. I don't think we will have time to get a switch but if there are enough people online. She's also buddying to Anna and trying to ensure DRK is the lynch. So I think SB is the scum of the three.

@farside:

Why is mal/CSL a backup choice for lynching?

Because mal/CSL/flam have contributed nothing and lurked a lot while under suspicion. And flam is now bandwagoning left and right.

[Ellibereth]

DRK is obvtown.
Juls, can you switch to Ann? We only need 3 more votes for it to go through. I don't see enough people getting on and switching to SB.

[don_johnson]

i can jive with that.

unvot, vote: snowbunny

If DRK flips town, and taking into account something he said in the QT, I'll be looking after dj.

^^ this is just plain silly. you're telling me that a drk town flip wouldn't make you more suspicious of your other neighbor? seriously?

juls: why not annachie?

[don_johnson]

forgot to bold. juls i'd rather lynch annachie, but i'll move if necessary to sb. they are both acting really scummy. i agree that out of those two we have a likely 50/50 as i believe at this point that drk will flip town.

[Juls]

Because with 15 minutes to go, Snow_Bunny is the most glaringly scum to me. Also, the speed at which Anna gained the votes gives me pause. Can you quickly point out the strong points on Anna? I will try to read back some but we are running out of time.

[don_johnson]

i don't get why you won't seem to work with us on this, juls. drk himself is pointing to the fact that anna seems to be ignoring qt info in order to push his lynch. if its 50/50, why not join the wagon that has a chance? the snowbunny vote just seems so useless here. even if elli and i switch...

[Ellibereth]

Because with 15 minutes to go, Snow_Bunny is the most glaringly scum to me. Also, the speed at which Anna gained the votes gives me pause. Can you quickly point out the strong points on Anna? I will try to read back some but we are running out of time.

Just scan him in ISO real fast, scummy as hell.
IMO only chance to not get DRK lynched is to vote for Ann. DRK and Flare seem to be off so there won't be enough time to do a full SB switch. Only chance is a switch to Ann and hope 2 other people show up in time.

[Flareonage]

I'll do either or at this point

As Juls so kindly pointed out, I've already been bandwagoning left and right anyway

[DeathRowKitty]

/here too now

[Ellibereth]

Should we all switch to SB or not? Decide fast.

[DeathRowKitty]

The main thing I can see against SB is not saying what she finds scummy about what I've posted in the QT. I think Annachie is more likely scum, but I'll vote SB if everyone decides to switch (not that it matters at this point).