Again, being confident is fine, but using bad logic is not. When SC makes point I disagree with, and defends them in ways that make my head hurt, it makes me uncomfortable about him. SB was not just suspicious in his mind, but guilty to the extent that not voting for her makes me scummy? He sets up huge lists of 'lets lynch this person, then if s/he slips x, we lynch y, and if that person flips z we lynch a, as if nothing would happen in between that would change abything? Be certain about your reads, sure. That doesn't mean I have to like how he does it, do I? I even said:Socrates wrote:Limrickx, I don't see a single thing in your case on Serial that is actually scummy.
Being confident is your reads is NOT an alignment tell. The fact that you are using it to both cast suspicion on SC and to explain a town read on Button is evidence of that. Don't think that by hanging a lampshade on it will let you get away with contradictory logic.
so I'm not sure your 'contradictory logic' line is fair, when his being confident is prob one of the bigger reasons I waiver on him that anything else. Again, its the METHOD, not the result (his being confident in his reads)Limerickx wrote:(Its funny, sometimes I think I'd be much less suspicious of SC if I thought his crazytime logic made an ounce of sense.)
Sorry, but I disagree. You don't think a case can be made that by taking it to the next day, you reset the vote count for imprints and can try to change who might get those imprints? Look who were the top imprint getters at the end of day 1. VMD (Now KoC), Messiah (now CTD) and Button. All had 5 votes to imprint. Now, Button has been imprinted. The other top two? KoC has 1 imprint vote, and CTD has 0. Those two players were close to getting imprinted before SC hammered, and now they are nowhere close. Are you saying there isn't a chance that those two were town, and by hammering, SC was able to prevent them from being imprinted? Not only that, but its 'the lamest point?' Its possible that SC is town, and he DID prevent scum from being imprinted. But scum know who are town, and townies are not sure. Taking matters into your own hands to ensure people you don't want imprinted aren't makes me more uncomfortable then assuming that SC has the entire scum team locked up day 1 and being happy about it. If SC were to get lynched and flip scum, I imagine I'd feel a lot better about those two players (especially CTD)Socrates wrote:Hammering to cut off discussion is about the lamest point one can make when you consider the fact that the game isfunctionally nightless. You guys are talking, someone hammers, and then... you guys go on talking.
Socrates wrote:You still haven't answered why Serial being pro-imprints today isscummyand you didn't answer my question about what you would have expected a town SC to do differently.
Because changing what you think is the best approach based on keeping yourself alive is suspicious in my mind. SC wasn't in favor of imprinting with no lynch on night one, obviously and he was against imprints on night two. Now imprinting is a good idea in his mind, and I believe he said so before the SB flip (after she was lynched, but before she flipped) I don't like flip flopping when it is in your best interest alone. I would expect a town SC to think about what is best for the town on every occasion. Changing your mind on what that may be is one thing, but changing your mind the instant that continuing with what you have been advocating is to your detriment is another.
Socrates wrote:I don't really have issue with anything else you wrote. One observation is that I don't find it surprising that you are the top imprint getter, since none of your reads are controversial or in conflict with the rest of the town's.
I don't know. I'm going to assume that by 'the town's' you mean 'the players as a whole,' and not that you made a big scum slipup :-p but I think it was kind of a slow rise to being near the top of the imprinting. I was near the bottom for a while, and then one day I noticed I was near the top. All I can say is that I personally was surprised.
As a note, if we were to lynch, Id vote xRECK. I appreciate that your questions DID make me rethink my thoughts on SC, to the point where xRECK is now a 'better' choice.
