Mini 901: Real Time Mafia (Over)

[DeathRowKitty]

/confirm

Vote Ellibereth

for confirming twice.

I suggest we form a massive bandwagon on Elli for this horrendous crime before the game starts.

[DeathRowKitty]

Also, strategy-wise, we should probably lynch almost as frequently as we're allowed to avoid too many scum NKs. Therefore, I expect EVERYONE who stops by the thread to drop a vote on someone at some point. Delaying a lynch too long in this game is VERY scummy.

[DeathRowKitty]

Here are my underlying assumptions:

1. Scum NKs work on a timer.
2. Scum will NK as often as possible.
3. The game was balanced with this in mind.

Let's say for sake of argument that scum can NK once every 8 days. By lynching immediately every 7 days, scum get 7 NKs for every 8 lynches we get. Basically, we'd be one kill ahead of scum the entire game. Now let's say we lynch once every 9 days. Scum get 9 NKs for every 8 lynches we can make. Basically, we'd be one kill behind scum all game.

It's probably not a huge deal to delay several hours or a day or so, but any more than that can be very dangerous if scum can kill often enough.

[DeathRowKitty]

@Everyone
I was completely serious when I said we should start a wagon before the game starts. This game is based largely on timing and not doing something now puts us behind schedule.

Vote: CSL

, as per Elli's logic. Discuss. Better yet, vote.

[DeathRowKitty]

Chu chu chu!

Vote: Elli

Join our policy lynch wagon. It's more likely to get us somewhere than a wagon for Elli mixing up his games.

Policy lynching will net you my vote. Do not try it.

I'm on your policy lynch wagon. Do I get your vote for that?

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't know who came up with it, but I like the idea.

MOAR POLICY LYNCH, PLEASE.

[DeathRowKitty]

it also involves making good, informed lynches.

Oh, weird. I must have missed the better lynch you refer to. Speaking of which, vote CSL. Please?

@CSL
How is Elli's suggestion scummy?

[DeathRowKitty]

Why do you find it so important to point out these are pregame votes and HoS's, rather than real ones. At the end of pregame, they are real votes. HoS's are just as real now as they ever will be.

Allow me to word this in a way that gets more to my point: perhaps you just don't want to look bad by throwing around "real" votes and HoS's before the game starts, let alone seemingly OMGUS votes and HoS's?

[DeathRowKitty]

@CSL
What does the second part of your response have to do with my question? Also, even as town, wouldn't you care how you look?

[DeathRowKitty]

If you had to pick a policy lynch for this game, who would you pick? If you don't have a preference, would you mind voting yourself to help us out?

[DeathRowKitty]

@ annachie: WHAT IF, for argument's sake, that they find scum 9 times out of 10, BUT, they have an anti-town playstyle, and gets lynched early?

WHAT IF, for argument's sake, that you find scum 1 time out of 10, BUT, you have an anti-town playstyle and get lynched early? I'm not giving up on a perfectly good policy wagon just because you think you shouldn't be lynched.

If you think this is so terrible, then vote me for it. Unless of course you have a better lynch you'd like to suggest.

[DeathRowKitty]

@BMC (Hi BMC!)
Here's why: do you see a better lynch option right now? Really? You don't? Okay, go ahead and vote CSL.

[DeathRowKitty]

POLICY LYNCH MALPASCP

No, I'm not serious.

Zoraster basically gave us an extra week to come to a lynch decision and the time was mostly wasted. I wasn't seriously advocating a policy lynch on someone before the game started. That was a wagon to get something to happen. Elli was the only other one on the CSL wagon and no matter how ridiculously I acted, I couldn't even get CSL to vote for me.

You would think SOMEONE would start a counter-wagon on me, but noooo, everyone wanted to wait.

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote malpascp

CSL was scum. Therefore, malp is now scum.

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: DeathRowKitty

because he has the most votes!

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: Vaya

She's posted very little and what she has posted was scummy.

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: Vaya

She's posted very little and what she has posted was scummy.

?

What's wrong with finding what you've posted scummy?

[DeathRowKitty]

@Elli
Are you implying that can't be scummy? Fine, then.

Vote: Annachie

[DeathRowKitty]

@manho
Based on your statement, I assume you don't believe I wasn't actually looking for CSL's lynch? If this is the case, why?

[DeathRowKitty]

Just the tone I got from it seemed scummy. I can see how you might disagree.

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: Annachie

This is a serious vote. I don't know why, but I've been getting a bad feeling from his posts. I'll try to explain why later when I have more time (and no, this isn't another one of those "Hey, typing "/confirm" is scummy" things).

[DeathRowKitty]

It's also in part what you wanted CSL policy lynched for.

I didn't want CSL policy lynched.

If you were doing the RVS thing, then this comment is typically scummy. If you weren't doing the RVS thing then you're saying that your last 4 votes in less than 2 days (or 5 of your posts) were, well I don't know what, but whatever it was it was scummy.

I was serious, but it was just a minor gut read.

think annachie is right that DRK was trying to make his push of CSL's lynch seem like joking, but i think it was serious.

Why do you think I was serious about that?

I think DRK play seems like desperatly find something to lynch someone. This is scum thing to me. Specially in a game like this, people who play like DRK have to be lynched.

Why do people like me "have to be lynched" in a game like this? My entire purpose with my early game stupidity was to get discussion going and wagons formed, even if one of the wagons happened to be on me. Lurking is what could kill a game like this (for town, at least).

Also, what was with the whole "I'm not asking for a claim" thing? Since when is it a good move to hammer without a claim?

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: Snow_Bunny

Snow_Bunny has posted close to no content and is posting the bare minimum to avoid a prod.

She seems to be actively avoiding everything except the Elli-CSL situation, without even having mentioned me in the process. I can see SB avoiding me if she were scum based on interactions we've had (no, don't ask about what I mean).

Notice SB's posts since the game started. She voted Elli for pursuing a policy lynch (basically renewing her pre-game vote), and made 3 one-line posts. Two of those posts were just her asking Elli the same question. The other was her saying that Vaya always doesn't participate in day 1.

Basically, I get the feeling SB is just trying to float along and avoid a prod. I don't like it.

[DeathRowKitty]

Tony and Mal bottom both lists for time since last post and for post count.
Why Snow_Bunny?

Not only is SB not posting much; she's practically active lurking, especially considering she has plenty of time to post elsewhere on the site.

Anyway, Much as I wonder what DRK is up to sometimes, she's right about the lurkers.

He

.

[DeathRowKitty]

@DJ
You've seen my scum meta twice. Can you honestly say my scum meta is even remotely similar to this? (WIFOM, yes, but there was no one in the game who'd seen me as scum before at the start of the game)

I'm hunting scum.

I'm sorry; I must have missed it. I could have sworn you were just throwing an occasional question Elli's way.

[DeathRowKitty]

Can we not answer for Snow_bunny please?

[DeathRowKitty]

VOTE: DRK

Partly random, partly OMGUS

Hi Flareon!

you self voted. horrible play.

Is it scummy? If so, why would you expect me to be more likely to self-vote in the RVS as scum than as town (This goes back to my asking you if anything I did early on fits my scum meta.)

as for DRK, i just like lynching him. seriously, i think this is like three games in a row or something?

You didn't want me lynched in the first game. You did the second game though. 2/3 isn't bad.

@Anyone currently voting me at least partially for supporting a policy lynch
What exactly makes you think I was pushing for an actual lynch? Notice how I was practically taunting CSL. I WANTED him to vote me.

[DeathRowKitty]

I suppose that's true, but you missed the point of my question. Why is self-voting scummy?

The point of my "gambit" was to get people discussing and to get a wagon started, even if that wagon had to be me. It worked.

It made me more suspicious of Snow_Bunny than I otherwise would have been. In retrospect, that was a stupid decision on my part.

I want to take another look at Annachie actually. Other than that, I want you to explain what's scummy about self-voting before I even think about claiming.

[DeathRowKitty]

DRK's comment about what little Vaya had posted being scummy when Vaya hadn't posted at all is hella scummy. Unvote; Vote: DRK. The response is even scummier. Yes, you can argue that not posting during the pregame is scummy (I'll remain unconvinced it's not among the weakest of scumtells, but that's a different story). You cannot argue that Vaya's posted little and what she's posted was scummy if all she posted was "/confirm". That's the most null thing a player could possibly post. You didn't say his lack of posting was scummy; you said the actual provided content is scummy. Misrep and the backpedal-wimpiness + sudden vote on attacker is majorly scummy.

LOL @ that. What do you think I meant when I said Vaya's posts were scummy? Even I wouldn't be stupid enough to think "/confirm" is scummy, town or scum. Or do you think I expected no one to notice? Either way, your reaction to my vote is almost as ridiculous as my vote was in the first place.

[DeathRowKitty]

Okay, I believe I was just hammered. I am a

neighbor

. Not claiming anyone else as a neighbor until I've discussed it or the town decides it's in our best interest.

[DeathRowKitty]

RL+counting votes.

[DeathRowKitty]

Neighbor can be scum too >.>

[DeathRowKitty]

Well, since neither or my neighbors seems to care what I claim, I'm neighbors with Annachie and Snow_Bunny.

I seriously think one of them is scum and I've been flip-flopping over which one. I'm currently leaning Annachie. As a matter of fact,

Vote: Annachie

.

As far as what was said, there's been nothing particularly important. One thing that concerns me though is that I said I wanted a wagon on CSL, not a lynch, which Annachie has since ignored.

Mostly the discussion has consisted of:

1. Me describing what I'm trying to do
2. Annachie responding and giving his take
3. Snow_Bunny not posting

Also, yay me for wording my post in such a way that you didn't realize there were 3 neighbors.

[DeathRowKitty]

Yea right, didn't want a policy lynch.
Btw, Plum's (I believe) was the most recent post on this retcon of yours. I've also posted your own posts calling for the policy lynch after your previous claim of not wanting one.

Would you mind explaining to me where this fits in with my post in the QT where I said I just wanted a wagon and not a lynch? Be sure to include the parts where I said I was trying to have competing wagons on me and CSL to get the game going. (Now would be a good time for Snow_Bunny to come here and back me up that I actually said all this.)

I also note that your in QT post about becoming serious and your in thread post about becomming serious, both of which didn't sound right btw, were on different days.
(QFT: "This is a serious vote." is the comment I took as becomming serious.)

It was a serious vote in the sense of not being a random vote. It was also partially to start discussion over me voting

again

and, better yet, voting for the person I was already voting for. My post in the QT referred to being completely serious.

1. Change in play style, scum tell.
2. Retcon history, scum tell.
3. Random or silly play, anti-town.
4. Trying to get a bandwagon on yourself, anti-town.
5. Not claiming, despite being at L-1 twice, anti-town.
6. Managing to vote for both your neighbours, and out them. That can't be good for the town.

(Numbered for clarity)
1. How is that scummy, especially considering I wasn't serious early on?
2. I disagree that I did that.
3. You didn't seem to have a problem with it at the time. In fact, not until I voted you.
4. I don't think it was in the particular game, but I suppose that's arguable.
5. Meh, I guess. I wanted my attackers to at least explain why some of what I did was scummy first.
6. Well I blame you guys for playing scummy enough to earn my vote for the first part. As for outing both of you, you said you didn't care what I did in terms of outing you guys. Besides, it's only bad if we're all town. If I'm scum, only town gained information from my claim.

[DeathRowKitty]

@SB
What is it I said there that makes you think I'm scum? (remember, don't quote it, just give a general idea of the post)

[DeathRowKitty]

Town reads are bad to post. I'll post a scum list if you want, but I'd prefer not to include town reads.

[DeathRowKitty]

Scum Reads

Annachie

(or reasons already given)

bigmc109

(Mostly gut and meta-based reasons (I correctly called him as scum day 1 the one time I played with him, despite being initially able to point out specific posts as to why I thought he was scum. I can't really point to anything tangible as to why I think so here either.))

TonyMontana

(?) (This spot is basically a toss-up. I put him here because I find him scummier than most other players at this point who have posted enough for me to have any sort of read, not because I really think he's scum.)

@SB
I'm plain VT-neighbor. What do you think of Annachie ignoring the fact that I said I wanted a wagon, not a lynch? Also, you didn't say what from the QT you found scummy.

[DeathRowKitty]

/here too now

[DeathRowKitty]

The main thing I can see against SB is not saying what she finds scummy about what I've posted in the QT. I think Annachie is more likely scum, but I'll vote SB if everyone decides to switch (not that it matters at this point).

[DeathRowKitty]

Well, I'm pretty much dead at this point.

Bah, go town, or whatever

I'm almost certain one of my neighbors is scum. Bye everyone.

[DeathRowKitty]

We'd need one more vote anyway.

[DeathRowKitty]

The game design was fun, but we had too many lurkers. This game would be interesting to play with only players who could commit to at least a certain activity level. Meh, whatever.

It was fun while I was still alive. I'd sign up if again if a similar game were to be run.

I'm fine with the Neighbor QT being posted if Fishy and Annachie are.

Anyway, good game all. Good game especially to the scum.

[DeathRowKitty]

Neighbor QT, for anyone who's interested. Can someone post the scum QT, if no one minds?