Mini #893 - Dollhouse Mafia (Game Over!)

TheButtonmen · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:17 pm

elvis_knits wrote:People I might vote to imprint are:

Plum
Messiah
Buttons
VMD
Pug

The rest I would probably not vote to imprint.

Why Plum? What has she done other then lurk then posts wall's of texts that don;t related to the current game, rather are a summary of what happned several pages ago. Anyone could seem town if they did that.

Starbuck · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:21 pm

I had the strongest ties, I can see that, but as much as you said that I didn't read what you said (which I did), you never once even tried to look at the other side of the situation where I AM town.

You just automatically assume every time that I'm scum and that's a weakness in your play. Just as my inability to read certain people (ex: DeathNote) is a weakness in mine.

SerialClergyman · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:37 pm

Hmm, this is less than ideal.

Starbuck - you seem to really take this hard and to be honest, I thought a lot of your catchup post was AtE from someone desperate.

This is a game of limited information and we're all just trying to do our best, I never meant anything personally and you certainly haven't offended me in any way, I just thought you were scum, that's all.

TheButtonmen · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:39 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:
Starbuck - you seem to really take this hard and to be honest, I thought a lot of your catchup post was AtE from someone desperate.

AtE meaning?

elvis_knits · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:42 pm

Starbuck wrote:As much as you probably don't believe it, I really didn't feel you are scum. You have done scummy things, and I didn't feel comfortable imprinting you because you are so buddy buddy with SC, but my vote would never have gone to you.

Uhm, I think you did vote me though.

SerialClergyman · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:44 pm

Appeal to Emotion.

elvis_knits · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:47 pm

SC, if starbuck does not flip town, I think the best bet is to imprint some town people and hope they either find scum or investigate us innocent. Then we go from there.

SerialClergyman · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:50 pm

I agree.

elvis_knits · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:50 pm

Typo...

You know what I mean

God too much Christmas shopping today

Starbuck · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:02 pm

It's not an IF I'm town. It's THAT I'm town.

And if you two are both town, I highly suggest that you both look at your play this game and learn from it.

SerialClergyman · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:07 pm

To be honest, Starbuck, I'll learn that we were right about one scum and wrong about another and that's better than random chance.

You need to allow people to be wrong.

TheButtonmen · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:11 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:To be honest, Starbuck, I'll learn that we were right about one scum and wrong about another and that's better than random chance.

You need to allow people to be wrong.

You need to allow people to have other opinions then your own.

Starbuck · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:17 pm

TheButtonmen wrote:
SerialClergyman wrote:To be honest, Starbuck, I'll learn that we were right about one scum and wrong about another and that's better than random chance.

You need to allow people to be wrong.
You need to allow people to have other opinions then your own.

QFT.

And even if someone has a different opinion of you and disagrees with you, it's not ALWAYS a scumtell.

farside22 · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:22 pm

We don't know what type of imprint a player is going to get. Why the assumption that all imprints do is get cop roles.
So the idea of someone checking EK and SC maybe futile. I almost want to laugh that they are now saying well maybe we should imprint people

SerialClergyman · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:29 pm

Because I've been railing about farside scum and button scum all day?

Imprinting people after Starbuck's flip is better than doing it before her flip.

farside22 · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:31 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:Because I've been railing about farside scum and button scum all day?

Imprinting people after Starbuck's flip is better than doing it before her flip.

Why?

farside22 · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:32 pm

farside22 wrote:
SerialClergyman wrote:Because I've been railing about farside scum and button scum all day?

Imprinting people after Starbuck's flip is better than doing it before her flip.
Why?

Wait nvm I read that as you wanted to imprint before star's flip.

Starbuck · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:36 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:To be honest, Starbuck, I'll learn that we were right about one scum and wrong about another and that's better than random chance.

You need to allow people to be wrong.

You need to learn that there are 10 other people playing this game besides you and Elvis.

farside22 · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:40 pm

Starbuck wrote:
SerialClergyman wrote:To be honest, Starbuck, I'll learn that we were right about one scum and wrong about another and that's better than random chance.

You need to allow people to be wrong.
You need to learn that there are 10 other people playing this game besides you and Elvis.

QFT ^ I almost, almost thought about asking for a replacement do to the maryter attitude from both of them. It's almost like banging your head against a wall when someone doesn't listen to your opinion which is just as valid.
The only reason I don't see SC scum right now is I can't imagine a scum player taking the chance to hammer and ask for his own lynch like that.
Granted it could be an AtE but it's still hard to imagine. However EK has not done anything I found townie without using either assumptions or some of the WIFOM about the role and the DN flip which I disputed and get ignored mainly by her.

Starbuck · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:54 pm

And personally, I won't be offended if either of you don't want to join a game I'm a part of. If this is how it goes every time you both are in a game together, then I definitely would rather bypass the frustration and annoyance.

Starbuck · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:55 pm

Starbuck wrote:I almost, almost thought about asking for a replacement do to the maryter attitude from both of them.

Me too. I can't stand people who go out of their way to make mafia games unenjoyable for the rest of the people that are playing.

SerialClergyman · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:57 pm

2 votes does not a lynch make. The 10 other people in the game decided via a majority that the cases elvis and I were pushing were the right ones. If we'd been so offensive to the group then they wouldn't have. (Certainly not the lynch on scum, anyway.) There were 6 opinions besides mine on the DN lynch and 5 on the SB lynch. If you had felt the lynch would be better directed elsewhere, make a better case.

I remain perplexed at the attitude towards backing a town read, but so it goes.

Either way, this is the last message I'm writing about hurt feelings. Nothing in this game has been personal, I'm just trying to do my best from a position of limited information. I've always accepted I could be wrong and this, it seems, is one of those cases. I apologise for getting it wrong in your case, Starbuck.

TheButtonmen · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:06 pm

It's not you getting it wrong or that it's personal, your play style is just abrasive and annoying as all hell. If both you and EK are town I'm pretty sure I avoid games with both of you in them in the future.

Limerickx · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:13 pm

Another thing to mention SC, is there are two outcomes (taking a very broad view), a good outcome, and a bad outcome. There are two methods to try to achieve your goals, good ones, and bad. Just because we had a good outcome on night one, DOESN'T mean that your method was right! Just as good methods can result in bad outcomes, bad methods can result in good, but that doesn't mean we should continue doing the same thing! Now, ill have to read todays actions, as the day happened in no time flat, but this was bugging me from the first night, when you hammered when everyone else was talking about imprinting BEFORE the hammer. Yet you think you're some hero for hammering, and that because DN was mafia (Which most people were on board with anyways) that your logic works! Bad method, good result.

elvis_knits · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:30 pm

Starbuck wrote:
Starbuck wrote:I almost, almost thought about asking for a replacement do to the maryter attitude from both of them.
Me too. I can't stand people who go out of their way to make mafia games unenjoyable for the rest of the people that are playing.

Starbuck, this is totally out of line. If I've made the game unenjoyable for you, I'm sorry, but I didn't do it on purpose. Please realize you've made the game just as horrible for me as I have for you. Who is being the martyr now?

And as for farside... she replaced INTO this, so I don't know how she didn't know what she was getting into.

Can we not take this game so personally? GOD.