Mini 891 - British Comedy Mafia (Game Over)

[Netopalis]

Sorry, still a bit behind, will post within 24 hours.

[danakillsu]

sorry, I know this isn't original, but I still think it's right. In fact I don't understand the Budja wagon

vote: Josh Lyman

[MacavityLock]

I have no interest in a Budja wagon right now and feel like a

Vote: Neto

is in order.

Then, what's your stance on Budja? Do you think he's town?

I'm not interested in a Budja lynch, and that's all I'm going to say for now.

Something feels off about this second Lyman-wagon. I need to figure out what it is. His stumping does seem at least partially testable, and I didn't see any major contradictions in the claim, though I need to double-check this.

sorry, I know this isn't original, but I still think it's right. In fact I don't understand the Budja wagon

vote: Josh Lyman

Reasons please?

By the way, welcome to the game. Should I abbreviate you as dan or dana? Is Dana killing me, or is Dan a-killing me?

[danakillsu]

dana
dana kills u

[danakillsu]

The strangest defeatist indifferent attitude I've ever seen is my reason for voting for him.

[DeathSauce]

Another replacement here, just skimmed the thread quickly.

First impressions are that Budja and Macavity like to defend each other.

Second impression is that the first Josh wagon built up speed really quickly, and this second wagon looks like scum taking another shot at it after the Budja wagon lost steam.
Might be useful to examine the two wagons and see who voted in each, I will try to get to that later

Overall, Budja's opportunism is scummy, among other things

[MacavityLock]

DS, who are you replacing?

[Snow_Bunny]

sorry, I know this isn't original, but I still think it's right. In fact I don't understand the Budja wagon

vote: Josh Lyman

So you will just hop on the wagon like that?

[Netopalis]

I still need to finish my reread, but I do have some good points, I think.

In re: Budja, I think that the strongest argument in favor of his lynch is the fact that he really has contributed nothing to the game. In the words of David Byrne, he's "talking a lot, but not saying anything". Active lurking is one of the prime scumtells, as scum want to be active enough to avoid the lurkervote, but they don't want to stick their neck out very far, lest it be chopped off. In every post, he is agreeing with someone, in nopost does he advance a significant theory of his own.

I also am really not liking Danakillsu's vote on Josh Lyman. He's a claimed power role, and a rather confirmable one at that. To me, it's obvious that while Josh may be the play tomorrow, heis certainly not it today. Even more troublesome is the lack of any real backing for the attack on Josh other than vague accusations of a defeatist attitude. I know and understand what he is saying, but he needs to say it himself rather than having someone else make the case for him.


Vote stays on Budja for now. I could be convinced to go after Dana, though.

[Chinaman]

Net: please tell me how exactly JL's claim is provable in any way. I went through his claim and posted for you every flaw I saw, and I'm sure there's more that I didn't see. Please tell me why you chose to totally ignore all those points and say "He's a claimed power role, and a rather confirmable one at that". Also, please tell me how his "power" is useful in any way when scum can kill the stump at night anyway.

As a side note: BC's avatar is awesome and I love Chuck!

DS: You pointed out that JL has had 2 wagons on him so far in D1. Ever occur to you (and others) that maybe, just maybe, JL has had 2 wagons on him because he is doing scummy things?! Come on people, logic it out. It's not hard.

Right now, either Net or BC have my eye for JL's scumbuddy for their blatant disregard for the holes in JL's claim.

[Netopalis]

Well, if nothing else, it IS effectively a vig.

It's confirmable if, of course, we end up with a treestump tomorrow. If we don't, then we can lynch him.

[Locke Lamora]

Still catching up, but on the subject of Josh's role: is it going to be used tonight or not? Some people are talking about confirming it whilst others are suggesting that he doesn't use it at all. I think Josh needs to establish whether or not he is going to use it because any thinking that we can solve this issue by seeing whether someone is stumped tomorrow is pointless unless we establish that it's going to get used.

That aside, I'm also not as convinced as some people by the plausibility of the claim and I think the 'it's odd for a fakeclaim' attitude is a terrible reason to give Josh a pass. The right play is to at least wait and see if he has an ability, IF he is genuinely going to use it tonight. If he's taking Macavity's suggestion not to use it tonight and wait until we have fewer targets, then how long are we giving him to confirm it?

[DeathSauce]

Chinaman, we are all perfectly aware that you want to lynch Josh. You could not possibly be more clear on that subject.

Macavity, I'm replacing ConfidAnon, ortolan announced it a page or two back.

I do agree with Locke that just because Josh came up with a unique power role doesn;t give him a pass. In another game on the site a "vanilla scum" essentially claimed to be an unnightkillable super doc and was able to answer questions about that role, still turned out to be scum.

[DeathSauce]

Looked at the wagons, as promised. Only thing worth noting from just looking at the vote counts was that BloodCovenant and Fuzzyman were the two that switched to the Budja wagon as it began to gather steam, but I have not yet gone back and read their reasons for doing so.

Also, add me to the list that dislikes dana's entrance into this game. You don't understand the Budja wagon so you jump on the Josh wagon? There are alternatives, like, I don't know, scum hunting.

[ortolan]

Twelfth vote count

Josh Lyman (4): Chinaman, BloodCovenent, Snow_Bunny, danakillsu
Budja (3): Josh Lyman, Netopalis, Fuzzyman
BloodCovenent (1): Budja
Netopalis (1): MacavityLock
Locke Lamora (1): imaginality

Not voting (3): DeathSauce, Locke Lamora

7 to lynch

Woo

[Netopalis]

Well, the difference between an unnightkillable doc and a treestumper is the fact that the doc is a passive role. However, there is an objective manifestation of the lumberjack role that Josh

cannot fake

. While he cannot be definitely cleared if that role is not used,

if it is used and a treestump is created, he is cleared.

[BloodCovenent]

I still need to finish my reread, but I do have some good points, I think.

In re: Budja, I think that the strongest argument in favor of his lynch is the fact that he really has contributed nothing to the game. In the words of David Byrne, he's "talking a lot, but not saying anything". Active lurking is one of the prime scumtells, as scum want to be active enough to avoid the lurkervote, but they don't want to stick their neck out very far, lest it be chopped off. In every post, he is agreeing with someone, in nopost does he advance a significant theory of his own.

I also am really not liking Danakillsu's vote on Josh Lyman. He's a claimed power role, and a rather confirmable one at that. To me, it's obvious that while Josh may be the play tomorrow, heis certainly not it today. Even more troublesome is the lack of any real backing for the attack on Josh other than vague accusations of a defeatist attitude. I know and understand what he is saying, but he needs to say it himself rather than having someone else make the case for him.


Vote stays on Budja for now. I could be convinced to go after Dana, though.

Would His PR make sense as a scum role?

As a side note: BC's avatar is awesome and I love Chuck!

word dude. Season three January 10th

[DeathSauce]

Well, the difference between an unnightkillable doc and a treestumper is the fact that the doc is a passive role. However, there is an objective manifestation of the lumberjack role that Josh

cannot fake

. While he cannot be definitely cleared if that role is not used,

if it is used and a treestump is created, he is cleared.

BC beat me to the punch. Obviously if the role is used it is real, but as I was also going to say, there is the possibility that it's a scum PR.

I think that is where Chinaman's suspicion of you is coming from, you are very quick to clear Josh completely if the role part of the claim is true, you seem to be discounting the possibility of a scum PR.

[Netopalis]

Well, as BC said, it doesn't make sense as a scum power role. Scum almost never have 1-shot vig abilities and the scum having a lumberjack role is just silly. The only side that it makes sense on is town.

[Josh Lyman]

I'm here for about 20 minutes. Given my lack of time, would someone like to reiterate anything I should be answering? (I hate asking this, as it looks as though I'm unwilling to read: it's truly a time limitation thing. If I could sign in on my stupid phone, this wouldn't be a problem.)

[Budja]

@Net, I'll admit I haven't pushed my own theories much but I have few scum reads which are already pushed (and many town ).

JL is prob town. China seems the only legit(ish) wagoner.

FoS Snow, Dana

BC or Locke are my scum picks. Dana as the outlier.

[BloodCovenent]

Well, as BC said, it doesn't make sense as a scum power role. Scum almost never have 1-shot vig abilities and the scum having a lumberjack role is just silly. The only side that it makes sense on is town.

No that's not what I said. I asked if it made sense as a scum role. This is Coney Island, of course it could make sense as a scum role.

josh, what's your win condition?

[Netopalis]

Oh, sorry. IF you felt that the answer was obvious, why would you ask?

Seriously, though, I've never heard of a scumteam having a one-shot vig, even in coney island. It unbalances it too much to give them a second kill.

[BloodCovenent]

Oh, sorry. IF you felt that the answer was obvious, why would you ask?

Seriously, though, I've never heard of a scumteam having a one-shot vig, even in coney island. It unbalances it too much to give them a second kill.

I just find it as an extremely unusual role, and remotely out of place. And I wanted to see your reaction and answer.

Josh, what is your role name?

[Netopalis]

He already gave it.