Mini #893 - Dollhouse Mafia (Game Over!)

[elvis_knits]

Town slip =/= twisted logic

Reckoner, answer my 363

[SerialClergyman]

Elvis - not one person feeling out whether any of my lynch DN then me type plans is a good idea and all of them being rejected out of hand suggests to me that DN is scum for the same reason you just came to your elvis and sc are town conclusion.

[TheButtonmen]

Elvis - not one person feeling out whether any of my lynch DN then me type plans is a good idea and all of them being rejected out of hand suggests to me that DN is scum for the same reason you just came to your elvis and sc are town conclusion.

That other players are literate and can use basic logic? Like what are you trying to say here.

[elvis_knits]

Well, SC, both you and me have wanted DN dead since page 1, so it would be reasonable to atleast feel a little more townie about us if DN flips scum. The fact that nobody even wants to admit that we

probably

aren't scum with DN should be a sign.

It's unfortunate that some people who I think are probably town are as opposed to everything we say as the scum are.

[Messiah]

Elvis - not one person feeling out whether any of my lynch DN then me type plans is a good idea and all of them being rejected out of hand suggests to me that DN is scum for the same reason you just came to your elvis and sc are town conclusion.

I can't speak for everyone, but the reason that I reject your plan has nothing to do with not wanting to lynch DN, it's because of the ridiculous "If I'm town than all of my reads are 100% correct and you should base all of your decisions on those instead of your own reads" thing.

[elvis_knits]

Elvis - not one person feeling out whether any of my lynch DN then me type plans is a good idea and all of them being rejected out of hand suggests to me that DN is scum for the same reason you just came to your elvis and sc are town conclusion.

I can't speak for everyone, but the reason that I reject your plan has nothing to do with not wanting to lynch DN, it's because of the ridiculous "If I'm town than all of my reads are 100% correct and you should base all of your decisions on those instead of your own reads" thing.

He's not saying that if he's town he's 100% correct.

I'm telling you I have a read of her as town. If I am killed and confirmed town myself, that means she went to a lot of effort to try to confirm a townie and you can be sure that my read of her is well-intentioned - both of these things make her more likely to be town.

He's saying that if he's town then you know he didn't say all this stuff with a scum agenda. And he knows me as a player, so he should have a good read of me. So you should just take what he says more seriously and stop with the paranoia.

OBV you should go by your own reads too, but if SC died and was town, that wouldn't influence you at all?

God, SC, I feel like we're Thelma and Louise.

[SerialClergyman]

Lol.

Ok, new course of action. Let's get a lynch going. Who is up for a good old fashioned dn lynch? No one killing anyone necessarily the next day. Any takers?

[SerialClergyman]

Also messiah, I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about the group. There are 4 scum amongst us, yes? So if I'm wrong and dn is town as well as me, I'd expect the scum to at least feel out the possibility of my plan working, even if as town they would find such a plan distasteful for whatever reason. If I'm town and dn is town, I'm handing them a double mislynch on a platter. But not one person expressed the slightest bit of enthusiasm.

Same deal if I were scum for Elvis - she would expect my scum mates to approve of her attempting to clear me but she's getting no support. So from her perspective it doesn't look like I have a scum team.

Does this make sense?

[Messiah]

OBV you should go by your own reads too, but if SC died and was town, that wouldn't influence you at all?

Of course it would, but not to the extent that I would ever agree to lynch his two top suspects and imprint who he thinks is town just because he was confirmed, which is the way I interpreted those plans.

Ok, new course of action. Let's get a lynch going. Who is up for a good old fashioned dn lynch? No one killing anyone necessarily the next day. Any takers?

See, that's a much better plan. I'm down.

unvote, vote: DeathNote

for the reasons stated in these posts, and the "Just policy lynch me and get it over with " thing.

Does this make sense?

The first paragraph is re: lynching deathnote if you're town, correct? If so, yes, that makes a lot of sense. And the second would make sense from town-ek's perspective as well, but again I feel strongly that her perspective is heavily flawed.

[xRECKONERx]

IMPRINTS, PLEASE. I think we should decide that before we lynch DN.

Also,

On VMD: why do you see her vote on buttonmen as a town tell?

I though I explained that already. Anyway, I guess I didn't... but it was during her back and forth with him. To be completely honest, I'm too drained from exams to go back and do

another

re-read, so you'll just have to accept the fact that I got a gut town read from her posts, and it has not been retracted yet. Though, her recent down-spike in activity is discouraging.

[Messiah]

IMPRINTS, PLEASE.

Nearly slipped my mind.

Imprint: Messiah, VMD, Buttonmen

[SerialClergyman]

I'm not in favour of imprints for this lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm, on second thought...

Unimprint: VMD, Buttonmen

.

If I haven't already:

Imprint: Messiah

. Which means I'm supporting myself and Messiah for this day.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #10=-

Nevada (5) - Virginia, Georgia, Montana, Iowa, Colorado
Virginia (2) - Arizona, Kansas
Alaska (1) - Hawaii
Arizona (1) - Alaska
Iowa (1) - Ohio

Not Voting (2) - Florida, Nevada

7 to lynch.

-=Imprint Count #10=-

Ohio (5) - Nevada, Florida, Arizona, Ohio, Colorado
Hawaii (4) - Nevada, Arizona, Kansas, Colorado
Colorado (4) - Nevada, Ohio, Colorado, Iowa
Alaska (3) - Alaska, Nevada, Virginia
Florida (3) - Nevada, Florida, Ohio
Iowa (3) - Arizona, Iowa, Kansas
Virginia (2) - Alaska, Virginia
Montana (2) - Nevada, Ohio
Georgia (2) - Nevada, Georgia
Arizona (1) - Nevada
Kansas (1) - Nevada
Nevada (1) - Nevada

7 to imprint.

ALASKA = SerialClergyman
ARIZONA = Starbuck
COLORADO = Messiah
FLORIDA = Limerickx
GEORGIA = Plum
HAWAII = TheButtonmen
IOWA = xRECKONERx
KANSAS = farside22
MONTANA = Pug89
NEVADA = DeathNote
OHIO = Vala Mal Doran
VIRGINIA = elvis_knits

-=Limerickx has been prodded=-

[farside22]

@EK: I did it in games I modded where I neglect to mention that mafia have a kill. Example is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=2225

Only one player was told they were immune to NK if they didnt' proform the kill but sometimes I just assume mafia knows they have a kill unless stated otherwise.

[Pug89]

You wouldn't agree to imprint me knowing I'd only have the chance to use it once if dn is town, even if I was scum?

Absolutely not. Even before you proposed your plan I didn't trust you but with this my read of you is getting scummier and scummier. And even one night of scum having abilities could be detrimental to town, especially if you thought you were likely to be lynched the next day anyway.

Your trying to order lynch's in advance, your creating dichotomies and your still trying to get us to imprint elvis even though theres no reason to belive shes town.

QFT

If I put my own arse on the line and make this deal, I deserve some credit for being right about DN and I am cashing that credit in by asking for a second bite at an imprint, an imprint for the person I think is most likely town and a lynch for the person I think is scum with DN. You should want this stuff too if DN is indeed scum, because it'd be very unlikely I was scum, very unliekly elvis is scum and strongly likely SB is scum.

Even if DN and scum and you are town that doesn't make your read of elvis correct and your trust of elvis from the very first post of the game makes me think you are not being objective about her.

scum don't post or is this almost the evilant of lynching lurkers in this post that leaves a bad taste especially as not too long ago she was saying Plum was town.

My read of that post was that VMD was saying that there are enough people posting very little to make up an entire scum team not that she found every one of them scummy.

b) That one should not defend someone one thinks is town

No one has said that, the problem is when you defend someone as town with little solid reasoning

Elvis - not one person feeling out whether any of my lynch DN then me type plans is a good idea and all of them being rejected out of hand suggests to me that DN is scum for the same reason you just came to your elvis and sc are town conclusion.

I think DN is scum myself but I'm not for your plan because I don't trust either you or elvis enough to imprint.

@SC: why aren't you for imprinting tonight?

[farside22]

Well, SC, both you and me have wanted DN dead since page 1, so it would be reasonable to atleast feel a little more townie about us if DN flips scum. The fact that nobody even wants to admit that we

probably

aren't scum with DN should be a sign.

It's unfortunate that some people who I think are probably town are as opposed to everything we say as the scum are.

Yes dear because there is no way scum would try and buss a scum partner to look town.
Would you like wine with your cheese?

[elvis_knits]

Page one doesn't usually bring a lot of bussing.

[TheButtonmen]

Hmm, on second thought...

Unimprint: VMD

What changed in your mind about VMD?

[Plum]

Sorry, late night and stuff. Real stuff is promised/prayed to happen tomorrow.

[Vala Mal Doran]

Gravest apologies for my inactivity these past couple of days; I forget if I mentioned this here or not already, but I had friends come in from out of town and that combined with the fact that I was having to share a mobile broadband USB card with my housemate for several days while we waited to get real internet hooked up has meant that I've been away from the computer too much to do any real posting. I'm making a post for my other game first mostly because I already have it half-done, but I wanted you guys to know ASAP that I am back.

[SerialClergyman]

@ farside:

My theory suggestion:

lynching is less dangerous to the town than imprinting. If we were to lynch without imprinting, the worst that happens is we're down to 7 townies and 4 scum and have a wagon's worth of information.
If we imprint without lynching, we get all sorts of random bits of information that will be genuinely hard to piece together, and worse case scenario is that we permanently give scum abilities.

Thus I'm in favour of a lynch and very few if any at all imprints.

If I was going to imprint someone, I'd like it to be someone who is affected by the result of the lynch. So if we imprint someone who are are pretty sure is scum or town depending on the DN flip, I'd be for that. But randomly imprinting 3 people who we jsut kinda reckon are town WILL lead to scum PRs that they will have for the rest of the game and as such is a bad idea, in my humble opinion.

[TheButtonmen]

How does lynching DN make us anymore sure who town is? Also imprinting people we think are town is the opposite of random.

[farside22]

Page one doesn't usually bring a lot of bussing.

Says who? Seriously I so bussed my scum partner day 1 and on page 1 especially when Xtom was my scum partner in a game.
Please stop with WIFOM I can just show cause again how it could be contrarily.

[farside22]

@ farside:

My theory suggestion:

lynching is less dangerous to the town than imprinting. If we were to lynch without imprinting, the worst that happens is we're down to 7 townies and 4 scum and have a wagon's worth of information.
If we imprint without lynching, we get all sorts of random bits of information that will be genuinely hard to piece together, and worse case scenario is that we permanently give scum abilities.

Thus I'm in favour of a lynch and very few if any at all imprints.

If I was going to imprint someone, I'd like it to be someone who is affected by the result of the lynch. So if we imprint someone who are are pretty sure is scum or town depending on the DN flip, I'd be for that. But randomly imprinting 3 people who we jsut kinda reckon are town WILL lead to scum PRs that they will have for the rest of the game and as such is a bad idea, in my humble opinion.

Yeah I'm leaning on lynch today and imprinting 2 players for information purposes right now.